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On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 07:45:37AM +, Niels Thykier wrote:
> Philippe Cerfon:
> > On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 7:35 AM, Christian PERRIER
> > wrote:
> >> Discussing infrastructure changes like what you're proposing (which I
> >> have no advice about) s
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On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 10:14:14 -0800, Russ Allbery
wrote:
>Note that mounting /usr early, something we *already do*, is separate from
>actually merging /usr with /bin and /lib. Once you mount /usr early, it's
>rather less important whether you actually merge the file systems. While
>it does let yo
On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 22:30:24 +0100, Eric Valette
wrote:
>System admins do like using absolute path
>for security reasons...
Please also notice that this is the only option for ExecStart in
systemd units. Well played, Lennart.
Greetings
Marc
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On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 23:55:08 +0100, Eric Valette
wrote:
>cannot really accommodate the /etc/defaut/pkg
>configurable options...
This will get worse, btw, since the systemd community ponders removing
the EnvironmentFile option since "all distributions are using it
wrong", especially looking upon D
On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 22:06:32 +0100, Florian Lohoff wrote:
>From my 25 year Unix experience i dont like the usr merge.
Agreed.
> As you sum
>up very nicely and i agree on is that Debian has given up on being
>slim at this point. There is no such thing as a single user mode boot
>with only the root
On 2016-01-03 07:35, Christian PERRIER wrote:
Quoting Philippe Cerfon (philc...@gmail.com):
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Hi.
I think Debian has the following two problems (or rather its security
conscious users) with respect to software that gets into the system:
No id
On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 13:28:14 -0800, Russ Allbery
wrote:
>I do understand why people working in the embedded space care about some
>unusual mount orderings, file system separations, and very light cores,
>and I hope that we can accomodate and support all of their use cases
>inside Debian. I think
On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 21:35:39 +0100, Christian Seiler
wrote:
>So that was the state in February of 2011, when the warning was added
>to systemd and the systemd developers recommended the use of the
>initrd: mounting /usr from a running system is broken. Either it is
>already completely broken in som
Marc Haber writes:
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 13:28:14 -0800, Russ Allbery
> wrote:
>>But I don't get why people who are using non-embedded UNIX systems
>>particularly care.
>
> I, for example, am afraid of having to merge /usr in existing systems
> during upgrades, causing repartitions to be necessar
On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 19:15:18 +0100, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote:
>Anyway, if you think that the merged /usr scheme is about systemd then
>you are automatically disqualified from taking part in this discussion
>because you are not understanding the basic underlying issues.
As friendly as al
Dear debian-devel,
we are currently planning to start the transition of libpng.
The transition bug can be found here:
https://bugs.debian.org/650601.
Out of the 463 rebuilt packages 117 FTBFS with the new libpng, however
not every failure can be attributed to the library.
Logs from the rebuild c
On Mon, 04 Jan 2016 12:01:46 +0100, Ansgar Burchardt
wrote:
>Marc Haber writes:
>> On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 13:28:14 -0800, Russ Allbery
>> wrote:
>>>But I don't get why people who are using non-embedded UNIX systems
>>>particularly care.
>>
>> I, for example, am afraid of having to merge /usr in exi
* Tobias Frost , 2016-01-04, 12:02:
Logs from the rebuild can be found here: http://libpng.sviech.de, as
well as a scratchpad with a short analysis:
https://titanpad.com/libpng16-transistion
Plain-text version for people who don't enjoy running non-free JS code:
https://titanpad.com/ep/pad/ex
On 04/01/16 11:40, Andreas Tille wrote:
Hi,
I'm trying to package libncl[1] but I failed to fight the following
lintian error:
E: ncl-tools: binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath usr/bin/NCLconverter
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ncl
I deactivated my quilt patches and the override_dh_auto_configure sinc
Hi Alec,
please do not move the thread from debian-mentors to debian-devel. For
those reading here and are interested to answer do this on
debian-mentors where it belongs to.
On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 12:37:59PM +0100, Alec Leamas wrote:
> >
> >Andreas.
> >
> >[1] git://anonscm.debian.org/
On Fri, 1 Jan 2016 14:07:46 +0100
Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
>>No, it will help me on the lintian to get not rebuilt at build time fonts...
>>
>>Best will be to add a timestamp but i think it destroy reproductible
>>build step, so if timestamp could be
>>overriden by an env variable (so it could be
Le 4 janvier 2016 12:02:00 GMT+01:00, Tobias Frost a écrit :
>Dear debian-devel,
>
>we are currently planning to start the transition of libpng.
>The transition bug can be found here:
>https://bugs.debian.org/650601.
>
>Out of the 463 rebuilt packages 117 FTBFS with the new libpng, however
>not
On 01/04/2016 11:41 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Sun, 03 Jan 2016 13:28:14 -0800, Russ Allbery
> wrote:
>> I do understand why people working in the embedded space care about some
>> unusual mount orderings, file system separations, and very light cores,
>> and I hope that we can accomodate and supp
Hi Sebastien,
Am Montag, den 04.01.2016, 12:00 + schrieb Bastien Roucaries:
>
>
> Add also bug to package using embeded libpng 1.6 like texlive ?
Thanks for the hint, I frankly forgot to check for code copies.
Yes, I guess the security team would be happy to drop embedded code
copies or at
On 01/04/2016 12:15 PM, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Jan 2016 12:01:46 +0100, Ansgar Burchardt
>> Remember that / and /usr don't have to reside on the same partition with
>> the usrmerge proposal: they only have to be both available
>> post-initramfs. The initramfs already takes care to mount /u
Hi Tobias,
> I guess I'll drop Norbert a line for now to make him aware
> of the libpng transistion... (CC'ed)
Oh, I would be more than happy to have libpng16 in unstable!!!
I can rebuild texlive-bin at any time with system-libpng, just
need a working copy. But first I need the other libs being
On 04/01/16 12:50, Tobias Frost wrote:
> Am Montag, den 04.01.2016, 12:00 + schrieb Bastien Roucaries:
>> Add also bug to package using embeded libpng 1.6 like texlive ?
>
> Thanks for the hint, I frankly forgot to check for code copies.
https://lintian.debian.org/tags/embedded-library.html a
On 01/04/2016 11:44 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 21:35:39 +0100, Christian Seiler
> wrote:
>> So that was the state in February of 2011, when the warning was added
>> to systemd and the systemd developers recommended the use of the
>> initrd: mounting /usr from a running system is br
Am 04.01.2016 um 14:06 schrieb Simon McVittie:
> In addition to texlive:
>
> chromium and ice* might be able to move from their embedded copies to a
> newer system copy, or not, depending whether they've patched them.
Happily Icedove isn't using here a embedded version of libpng, that's a
little
Remember that / and /usr don't have to reside on the same partition with
the usrmerge proposal: they only have to be both available
post-initramfs. The initramfs already takes care to mount /usr (for the
systemd case as initscripts needs updates for sysvinit as was said
elsewhere
Le 22/12/2015 00:38, Mehdi Dogguy a écrit :
>> The change done in unison 2.48 to overcome this looks pretty big... I'm
>> not sure I'll be able/willing to provide a unison2.40.102 any more.
>> Moreover, this package was created to provide compatibility with
>> previous Debian releases, but another
On 2016-01-04 17:24, Stéphane Glondu wrote:
Le 22/12/2015 00:38, Mehdi Dogguy a écrit :
The change done in unison 2.48 to overcome this looks pretty big...
I'm
not sure I'll be able/willing to provide a unison2.40.102 any more.
Moreover, this package was created to provide compatibility with
pr
Remember that / and /usr don't have to reside on the same partition with
the usrmerge proposal: they only have to be both available
post-initramfs. The initramfs already takes care to mount /usr (for the
systemd case as initscripts needs updates for sysvinit as was said
elsewhere). So no reparti
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Am 04.01.2016 um 19:12 schrieb Eric Valette:
>> Remember that / and /usr don't have to reside on the same partition with
>> the usrmerge proposal: they only have to be both available
>> post-initramfs. The initramfs already takes care to mount /usr (for the
>> systemd case as initscripts needs upd
On 2016-01-04 12:03:07, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 19:15:18 +0100, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote:
> >Anyway, if you think that the merged /usr scheme is about systemd then
> >you are automatically disqualified from taking part in this discussion
> >because you are not understandi
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On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 07:45:37AM +, Niels Thykier wrote:
> Your second item has been brought up before with different
> focus/rationale/purpose. At least I remember there being an interest
> in splitting "non-free" into "non-free/firmware" vs. various other
> non-free sub components.
Anothe
On 04/01/2016 20:43, Michael Biebl wrote:
an initramfs is not mandatory as long as you don't have /usr on a
separate partition.
No initramfs + split /usr is not supported and has been broken for a while.
Did you actually test it? It works for me TM on fairly simple setup...
-- eric
On 2016-01-04 23:41:40, Eric Valette wrote:
> On 04/01/2016 20:43, Michael Biebl wrote:
>
> >an initramfs is not mandatory as long as you don't have /usr on a
> >separate partition.
> >No initramfs + split /usr is not supported and has been broken for a while.
>
> Did you actually test it? It wor
Am Montag, den 04.01.2016, 12:02 +0100 schrieb Tobias Frost:
For those want to test against libpng1.6:
Note that the libpn16 package in experimental does NOT Provide libpng-
dev at the moment. As I've hacked something together for my rebuild,
you can grab the dsc here:
https://libpng.sviech.de/l
On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 08:43:02PM +0100, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Am 04.01.2016 um 19:12 schrieb Eric Valette:
> >> Remember that / and /usr don't have to reside on the same partition with
> >> the usrmerge proposal: they only have to be both available
> >> post-initramfs. The initramfs already tak
Am 05.01.2016 um 01:17 schrieb Adam Borowski:
> On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 08:43:02PM +0100, Michael Biebl wrote:
>> Am 04.01.2016 um 19:12 schrieb Eric Valette:
Remember that / and /usr don't have to reside on the same partition with
the usrmerge proposal: they only have to be both availabl
On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 22:21:06 +0100, Iustin Pop
wrote:
>On 2016-01-04 12:03:07, Marc Haber wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 19:15:18 +0100, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote:
>> >Anyway, if you think that the merged /usr scheme is about systemd then
>> >you are automatically disqualified from taking p
On 01/05/2016 01:17 AM, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 08:43:02PM +0100, Michael Biebl wrote:
>> Am 04.01.2016 um 19:12 schrieb Eric Valette:
Remember that / and /usr don't have to reside on the same partition with
the usrmerge proposal: they only have to be both available
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On 01/05/2016 01:34 AM, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 22:21:06 +0100, Iustin Pop
> wrote:
>> On 2016-01-04 12:03:07, Marc Haber wrote:
>>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 19:15:18 +0100, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote:
Anyway, if you think that the merged /usr scheme is about systemd then
>>
Hey Niels
On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 8:45 AM, Niels Thykier wrote:
> Philippe Cerfon:
> Your second item has been brought up before with different
> focus/rationale/purpose. At least I remember there being an interest in
> splitting "non-free" into "non-free/firmware" vs. various other non-free
> su
Hey.
On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Bas Wijnen wrote:
> debian-project, or hopefully debian-devel. -project for talking about the
> idea, -devel for discussing an implementation.
Mehdi mentioned below that it would already land on debian-devel.
So I'm not sure whether it makes sense to post i
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On Jan 05 2016, Marc Haber wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2016 22:21:06 +0100, Iustin Pop
> wrote:
>>On 2016-01-04 12:03:07, Marc Haber wrote:
>>> On Sun, 3 Jan 2016 19:15:18 +0100, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote:
>>> >Anyway, if you think that the merged /usr scheme is about systemd then
>>> >you a
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Hi,
Quoting Stefano Zacchiroli (2016-01-04 23:14:11)
> On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 07:45:37AM +, Niels Thykier wrote:
> > Your second item has been brought up before with different
> > focus/rationale/purpose. At least I remember there being an interest
> > in splitting "non-free" into "non-free/
Hi,
Quoting Jerome BENOIT (2016-01-05 08:25:47)
> On 05/01/16 08:15, Johannes Schauer wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Quoting Stefano Zacchiroli (2016-01-04 23:14:11)
> >> On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 07:45:37AM +, Niels Thykier wrote:
> >>> Your second item has been brought up before with different
> >>> f
On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 08:15:37AM +0100, Johannes Schauer wrote:
> while I would welcome this sort of information being captured using debtags,
> this would not help me if I wanted to tell apt which packages are okay for me
> and which ones are not because apt cannot set pin priorities according t
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Hi,
On 05/01/16 08:15, Johannes Schauer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Quoting Stefano Zacchiroli (2016-01-04 23:14:11)
>> On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 07:45:37AM +, Niels Thykier wrote:
>>> Your second item has been brought up before with different
>>> focus/rat
Hello all.
On Tue, Jan 05, 2016 at 01:23:06AM +0100, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Am 05.01.2016 um 01:17 schrieb Adam Borowski:
> > On Mon, Jan 04, 2016 at 08:43:02PM +0100, Michael Biebl wrote:
> >> Am 04.01.2016 um 19:12 schrieb Eric Valette:
> Remember that / and /usr don't have to reside on the
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