Re: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

Cyril Brulebois writes: > Ben Finney (04/03/2009): > > * Invoke the appropriate VCS tool to export the specified revision > > from the VCS repository URL to a temporary directory. > > > > * Pack the temporary directory to an appropriately-named tarball in > > the current directory.

Re: -dbg packages; are they actually useful?

Quoting Steve Langasek (vor...@debian.org): > symbols. If there's a will to get that done in Debian now, I will > definitely be happy to ditch the samba-dbg package for one. I support my co-maintainer on that..:-) One should note that samba-dbg is sometimes used and already allowed tracking do

Re: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Ben Finney wrote: >> See pristine-* for hints about things that can change between one >> environment and another. > > I don't know what ‘pristine-*’ refers to there. I get no result from > ‘apropos pristine’, so if you're referring to a command, I have no > corres

Re: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 07:09:07PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > I don't know what ‘pristine-*’ refers to there. I get no result from > ‘apropos pristine’, so if you're referring to a command, I have no > corresponding manpage. See the pristine-tar package. -- Stefano Zacchiroli -o- PhD in Computer

Re: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

Ben Finney (04/03/2009): > How feasible is it to ensure reproducibility, though, when there is no > canonical upstream release tarball? Just saying that your get-orig-source stuff will not necessarily give you the same tarball on different machines/setups/etc. You want to look at pristine-tar to

Re: ITP: a routing failover daemon

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 06:30:43PM +1100, Russell Coker wrote: > I have written a little Perl program that can ping two routers and configure > the routing table to route data to whichever router works. > > Among other things it can be configured to run a script when a router becomes > availab

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

On 03 Mar 20:51, Joerg Schilling wrote: > Bill Unruh wrote: > > > On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > > ... > > > > > > As a hint: "the work mkisofs" is the plain files that can be found in the > > > sub-directory "mkisofs" in the cdrtools source tree. Other > > > sub-directories in

Re: Bug#419209: lvm2: Hangs during snapshot creation

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hi, first of all, I raised the severity of the bug to critical as it makes the whole system break. Also I add debian-devel to Cc as the bug is very problematic and I wonder how lvm2 was able to get into lenny with that big problem! Also I am willin

Re: ITP: a routing failover daemon

On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Mike Hommey wrote: > Maybe that could be something to add to guessnet ? Thanks for the suggestion, but the functionality is quite different. Guessnet seems (from it's description) to be based on probing the LAN via ARP etc. It's purpose seems to be to identify a network whe

Re: -dbg packages; are they actually useful?

On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 09:17:17PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > Remaining concerns: > > - each of these dbg packages requires manual modification to the source > package (incl. adding the package to debian/control) > - each has to go through the NEW queue > - each takes up space afterwards in

Re: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

Cyril Brulebois writes: > | $ apt-cache search pristine > | dbs - Allows Debian source packages with multiple patches > | linux-patch-debian-2.6.28 - Debian patches to version 2.6.28 of the Linux > kernel > | pristine-tar - regenerate pristine tarballs > > See the last one. pristine-{gz,bz2} in

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

Le mardi 03 mars 2009 à 10:41 -0800, Bill Unruh a écrit : > Well, no, there is a problem. Whether that problem is due to a misreading of > the law, differing laws (Under US, the concept of derivative work is a very > important and strong concept. Publishers have been successfully sued for > using

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

Le mardi 03 mars 2009 à 11:02 -0800, Bill Unruh a écrit : > Unfortunately it is not Debian who have to live with it, but the users around > the world. Debian is not being particularly harmed, but the users are. They > are being forced to use programs which are not keeping up with modern hardware >

Re: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 09:08:08PM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > I'm not sure how to actually use it in a Debian package though. > > Reading the manual pages, I get the impression it's designed to > produce deltas that upstream then commits in their VCS. If I don't > have access to commit to the upst

Re: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

* Stefano Zacchiroli [Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:25:23 +0100]: > What you can do is probably have a 2 level architecture, with a VCS > Debian-side which mirrors upstream VCS (easy with DVCS) but has in > addition the deltas. The first time your tarball fetching tool will > create the tarball and store it

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

Bill Unruh wrote: > >> Well, no, there is a problem. Whether that problem is due to a misreading > >> of > >> the law, differing laws (Under US, the concept of derivative work is a very > >> important and strong concept. Publishers have been successfully sued for > >> using less than > >> .3% o

Re: the files in /etc/modprobe.d/

Marco d'Itri wrote: > The upstream maintainers decided that in the future the files in > /etc/modprobe.d/ will be processed only if they have a .conf suffix. > The latest module-init-tool release complains loudly for each one and > still processes them, but this will change. Any idea when the warn

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

Josselin Mouette writes: > Indeed, the concept of derived work does not exist in European law. Wrong. It does exist at least in Finland, most likely elsewhere in the Nordic countries, too. -- * Sufficiently advanced magic is indistinguishable from technology (T.P) * * PGP public key

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) writes: > Matthew Johnson wrote: > >> On Tue Mar 03 11:07, Joerg Schilling wrote: >> >> > The rules of the GPL end at "work" limit and neither libc nor >> > libschily or libscg are part of the "work" mkisofs. For this reason, >> > there is no

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

Brett Parker writes: > On 03 Mar 15:41, Joerg Schilling wrote: >> Wouter Verhelst wrote: >> >> > On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 01:09:29PM +0100, Joerg Schilling wrote: >> > > You are uninformed: libc on Linux is under LGPL and the LGPL is as >> > > "incompatible" to GPL as the CDDL is "incomparible"

Re: the files in /etc/modprobe.d/

On Mar 04, Frans Pop wrote: > > The latest module-init-tool release complains loudly for each one and > > still processes them, but this will change. > Any idea when the warning will be dropped? Upstream says it's not decided yet. Probably not soon, but probably not for two years either. -- cia

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) writes: > Bill Unruh wrote: > >> On Tue, 3 Mar 2009, Joerg Schilling wrote: >> >> ... >> > >> > As a hint: "the work mkisofs" is the plain files that can be found in the >> > sub-directory "mkisofs" in the cdrtools source tree. Other sub-direc

Re: the files in /etc/modprobe.d/

m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote: Hi, > etc/modprobe.d/libsane libs/libsane Removed in 1.0.19-26. JB. -- Julien BLACHE - Debian & GNU/Linux Developer - Public key available on - KeyID: F5D6 5169 GPG Fingerprint : 935A 79F1 C8B3 3521 FD6

Re: -dbg packages; are they actually useful?

Steve McIntyre writes: > Hey folks, > > I'm looking at my local mirror (slowly) update at the moment, and I've > got to wondering: are the large -dbg packages actually really useful > to anybody? I can't imagine that more than a handful of users ever > install (to pick an example) the amarok-dbg

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) writes: > Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > >> joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) writes: >> >> > As said, license compatibility needs to be discussed separately. If you >> > like >> > to allow to publish binaries from GPLd pr

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Well despite the claims from some people that try to prevent a solution, > > there in fact is only a very minor disagreement. This disagreement is based > > on > > the attempt from some people to interpret some meaning into the "system > > exception" that is no

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

On Mar 4, 2009, at 11:48 AM, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) writes: makes libc a derived work of the program "hello world"? Jörg Please do read all of the mail and try to follow each step. And if you have a counter argument please first c

Re: -dbg packages; are they actually useful?

On 2009-03-04, Steve Langasek wrote: [snip] >> What I really wish for is the ability to have a relatively centralized >> location where the symbols from every single package ended up that was >> separate from the normal mirrors. > Yes, absolutely. Doing this right, though, requires integration wi

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > And the LGPL is by design clearly GPL compatible. Even if you could > find some fault in that the intention of the license is clearly to > allow GPL and non GPL programs to link to an LGPL library and any such > bug would get clarified by the FSF. Any such faults ple

generating man pages from docbook

I am using the docbook-to-man package a bad idea? - Forwarded message from md - To: pben...@uni-osnabrueck.de Cc: debian-xml-sgml-p...@lists.alioth.debian.org Subject: Escape backslashes in the man pages User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.19 (2009-01-05) Please advise. What should I use to build this

Re: -dbg packages; are they actually useful?

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Christian Perrier wrote: > Quoting Steve Langasek (vor...@debian.org): > >> symbols.  If there's a will to get that done in Debian now, I will >> definitely be happy to ditch the samba-dbg package for one. > > > I support my co-maintainer on that..:-) > > One should

Re: -dbg packages; are they actually useful?

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 6:17 AM, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 10:25:06PM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote: > >> > I'm looking at my local mirror (slowly) update at the moment, and I've >> > got to wondering: are the large -dbg packages actually really useful >> > to anybody? I can't ima

Bug#518165: ITP: lsm -- A connectivity Link Status Monitor

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Alberto Furia * Package name: lsm Version : 0.13 Upstream Author : Mika Ilmaranta * URL : http://lsm.foobar.fi/ * License : GPLv2 Programming Lang: C Description : A connectivity Link Status Monitor LSM is a Li

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

I demand that Goswin von Brederlow may or may not have written... > joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) writes: [snip] >> Well despite the claims from some people that try to prevent a solution, >> there in fact is only a very minor disagreement. That would appear to include "d

Re: OSS-only applications

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 05:25:48AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: Paul Wise (04/03/2009): Is ALSA supported by kFreeBSD or hurd or other unofficial ports? Last time I checked, GNU/kFreeBSD provided with OSS, not with ALSA (which is, as its name suggests, Linux-specific). Yes. Nevertheless,

Bug#518180: ITP: tircd -- ircd proxy to the twitter API

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Decklin Foster * Package name: tircd Version : 0.7 Upstream Author : Chris Nelson * URL : http://code.google.com/p/tircd/ * License : Artistic/GPL Programming Lang: Perl Description : ircd proxy to the twitter A

Bug#518181: ITP: libnet-twitter-perl -- Perl interface to twitter.com

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Decklin Foster (This is a dependency of tircd, #518180.) * Package name: libnet-twitter-perl Version : 2.10 Upstream Author : Chris Thompson * URL : http://search.cpan.org/~cthom/Net-Twitter/ * License : Artistic/GPL

Re: handling group membership in and outside d-i

[Christian Perrier] >> I did several subsequent installs and my user never ended >> up in powerdev (nor netdev for that matter). It's my belief >> (yet to check d-i code to confirm) that the user gets added >> to powerdev if you select the desktop task: for each of my > > Not really. It *should* b

Re: handling group membership in and outside d-i

Le mercredi 04 mars 2009 à 17:55 +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen a écrit : > Personally, I believe adding users to these groups at install time is > the wrong approach, and believe the only scalable way to handle this > is with policykit like features. Then the group membership is handled > dynamically

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mardi 03 mars 2009 � 10:41 -0800, Bill Unruh a �crit : Well, no, there is a problem. Whether that problem is due to a misreading of the law, differing laws (Under US, the concept of derivative work is a very important and strong concept. Publishers

Re: OSS-only applications

brian m. carlson, le Wed 04 Mar 2009 15:43:47 +, a écrit : > On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 05:25:48AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > >Paul Wise (04/03/2009): > >>Is ALSA supported by kFreeBSD or hurd or other unofficial ports? > > > >Last time I checked, GNU/kFreeBSD provided with OSS, not with ALS

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

On Wed, 4 Mar 2009, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) writes: Matthew Johnson wrote: On Tue Mar 03 11:07, Joerg Schilling wrote: The rules of the GPL end at "work" limit and neither libc nor libschily or libscg are part of the "work" mkisofs

Re: Up for adoption: Xiph.org and OpenEXR packages

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 12:31:25AM +0100, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > > I have no idea if these would be appropriate for the pkg-phototools > > group, but I guess it's worth a try. I'm also CC'ing the maintainer of > > openexr-tools, Pino Toscano, in case he has particular interest in > > OpenEXR p

Re: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 11:30:14AM +0100, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Stefano Zacchiroli [Wed, 04 Mar 2009 11:25:23 +0100]: > > What you can do is probably have a 2 level architecture, with a VCS > > Debian-side which mirrors upstream VCS (easy with DVCS) but has in > > addition the deltas. The first

Re: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

Adeodato Simó writes: > From the first paragraph in the manpage, it would seem that pristine-tar > just wants a "checkout" of the appropriate revision, i.e. an unpacked > tree. So you could checkout that from the upstream VCS, and store the > delta in the debian-only VCS, if in fact your packagin

Bug#518199: debian-policy: virtual package names for doom-related packages

Package: debian-policy Version: 3.8.0.1 Severity: wishlist Hello, please find attached a patch which adds some virtual package names used by doom-related packages to the authorative list in policy. Although the rules are that private, cooperating packages can use names outside of this list, and t

Re: handling group membership in and outside d-i

Josselin Mouette writes: [...] > There is ongoing work in the kernel to finally add session support in > it, so maybe something good will come out of it, but otherwise this is > still the same mess. [...] Any pointer for this discussion? -- O T A V I OS A L V A D O R ---

Re: Up for adoption: Xiph.org and OpenEXR packages

[Adeodato Simó] > I initiated some time ago a pkg-xiph project on Alioth to take care of > all these packages. For some time I've been unable to work on them, and > the person who has been doing all of the work since then has recently > stepped down as well. > > Maybe pkg-multimedia would like/co

Re: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

Russ Allbery: > I'm fairly sure that pristine-tar as currently implemented needs the > upstream source to be in Git, whether in your local repository or in some > remote repository to which you have a reference. Only for the "checkout" and "commit" commands which store the deltas in a git reposito

Re: the files in /etc/modprobe.d/

I'd forgotten that I submitted a patch to dpkg over a year ago to add a dpkg-conffile(8) utility. Note that the code on the wiki has changed slightly to handle a couple of cases since I wrote dpkg-conffile last year. The wiki version puts a space after $CONFFILE here to work around a bug:

Bug#518217: ITP: crrcsim -- Model-Airplane Flight Simulator

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Source: crrcsim Section: contrib/games Priority: extra Maintainer: Aeromodelling maintainers team Uploaders: Loïc Fejoz Build-Depends: dpatch, debhelper (>= 7), autotools-dev, libsdl1.2-dev, portaudio19-dev, plib1.8.4-dev Standards-Version: 3.7.3 Homepage: http:/

Re: Up for adoption: Xiph.org and OpenEXR packages

Peter Samuelson writes: > [Adeodato Simó] >> I initiated some time ago a pkg-xiph project on Alioth to take care of >> all these packages. For some time I've been unable to work on them, and >> the person who has been doing all of the work since then has recently >> stepped down as well. >> >> M

Re: OSS-only applications

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 03:43:47PM +, brian m. carlson wrote: > Yes. Nevertheless, there is a libsalsa that provides a libasound2 > emulation layer for OSS. I'm not aware of whether it has been packaged > or even whether it is suitable, since I don't run GNU/kFreeBSD anymore. It should do t

Re: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

Russ Allbery writes: > Adeodato Simó writes: > > > From the first paragraph in the manpage, it would seem that > > pristine-tar just wants a "checkout" of the appropriate revision, > > i.e. an unpacked tree. So you could checkout that from the > > upstream VCS, and store the delta in the debian

Bug#518230: ITP: nbc -- Compiler for LEGO Mindstorms NXT

Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Sebastian Reichel * Package name: nbc Version : 1.0.1.b35 Upstream Author : John Hansen * URL : http://bricxcc.sourceforge.net/nbc/ * License : MPL Programming Lang: Pascal Description : Compiler for LEGO Mindsto

Installing accessibility packages by default?

[Sorry to debian-accessibility people, re-sending with proper To:] Hello, It has been suggested a few times (471410, 511329, 516723) to add an "accessibility" item to tasksel, which would e.g. install gnome-accessibility. The task would be automatically selected when accessibility features was u

Re: handling group membership in and outside d-i

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 06:12:54PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mercredi 04 mars 2009 à 17:55 +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen a écrit : > > Personally, I believe adding users to these groups at install time is > > the wrong approach, and believe the only scalable way to handle this > > is with po

Re: -dbg packages; are they actually useful?

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 01:45:38PM +0100, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote: > > Remaining concerns: > > - each of these dbg packages requires manual modification to the source > >  package (incl. adding the package to debian/control) > > - each has to go through the NEW queue > > - each takes up space aft

Re: -dbg packages; are they actually useful?

Don Armstrong wrote: On Tue, 03 Mar 2009, Steve McIntyre wrote: I've got to wondering: are the large -dbg packages actually really useful to anybody? Thoughts? I think they are useful, but probably not for the vast majority of users. [I've used them on a few dozen occasions.] What I really

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Bill Unruh wrote: > Sorry, but that means that the concept does exist. The binary of a program > is a totally different animal from the original. Not a shred of similarity > in expression exists between the two. If I grep phrases from the original > in the binary, I will not fi

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Russell Coker wrote: On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Bill Unruh wrote: Sorry, but that means that the concept does exist. The binary of a program is a totally different animal from the original. Not a shred of similarity in expression exists between the two. If I grep phrases from the

Re: -dbg packages; are they actually useful?

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 10:03:28AM +, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 09:17:17PM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > > Remaining concerns: > > - each of these dbg packages requires manual modification to the source > > package (incl. adding the package to debian/control) > > - eac

Re: xcdroast does no longer work with wodim: Who to blame?

On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Bill Unruh wrote: > > In future please do some tests before making wild claims (or even just > > consider how a compiler works). > > Oh dear, Yes, I did think of that and assumed that the readers were > intelligent enough not to need obvious caveates. After this discussion I d

Re: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

Ben Finney writes: > Debian's policy §4.9 discusses a ‘debian/rules’ target named > ‘get-orig-source’: > > `get-orig-source' (optional) > This target fetches the most recent version of the original > source package from a canonical archive site (via FTP or > WW

Re: Pristine source from upstream VCS repository

Ben Finney writes: > It's been brought to my attention that this approach actually conflicts > with the above section of policy. > > Am I right in thinking that the ‘get-orig-source’ target should ignore > the version strings in ‘debian/changelog’, and should instead get > whatever version is the

Re: Bug#419209: lvm2: Hangs during snapshot creation

On Wed, Mar 04, 2009 at 10:44:28AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: > first of all, I raised the severity of the bug to critical as it makes > the whole system break. Also I add debian-devel to Cc as the bug is very > problematic and I wonder how lvm2 was able to get into lenny with that > big problem!