Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
> Johannes Wiedersich wrote:
>> Presently the number of installations reported to popcon is about the
>> same as the number of subscriptions to debian-security-announce, but I
>> am sure there are many users of debian who don't read d-s-a and many
>> users, who have severa
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Hi,
I'm currently preparing an NMU for a package which, besides an RC bug,
also has a bug in its last version number. The upstream version is
4.22, but after 4.22-2 the maintainer uploaded 4.22.3.
What do you suggest to get back to a sane version number until there is
a new upstream version 4.23
On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 10:11:18AM +0200, Frank Küster wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm currently preparing an NMU for a package which, besides an RC bug,
> also has a bug in its last version number. The upstream version is
> 4.22, but after 4.22-2 the maintainer uploaded 4.22.3.
>
> What do you suggest to
On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 10:11:18AM +0200, Frank Küster wrote:
> I'm currently preparing an NMU for a package which, besides an RC bug,
> also has a bug in its last version number. The upstream version is
> 4.22, but after 4.22-2 the maintainer uploaded 4.22.3.
>
> What do you suggest to get back
Michael Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 10:11:18AM +0200, Frank Küster wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm currently preparing an NMU for a package which, besides an RC bug,
>> also has a bug in its last version number. The upstream version is
>> 4.22, but after 4.22-2 the maintain
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Otherwise, should I use 4.23~real.4.22-3.1 or similar beasts? Or just
>> go for 4.22.3-0.1 and leave the decision to the maintainer?
>
> FWIW you can experiment quite easily using
>
> dpkg --compare-versions x lt y && echo Yes
>
>
> Interestingly, "4.2
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:53:51 +0200, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> Anyway, popularity-contest give us feedback on the package usage, and
> even if the number of contributors do not match the number of installed
> systems, it still give us valuable feedback on the relative package
> usage. :)
BTW, is
* Hamish Moffatt:
> FWIW you can experiment quite easily using
>
> dpkg --compare-versions x lt y && echo Yes
> Interestingly, "4.22.." is considered higher than "4.22.3". I'm not sure
> if this is good advice though :-)
It's also a good idea to check against APT's implementation when
playing wi
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Florian Weimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> import apt_pkg
> apt_pkg.init()
> def compare(a, b):
> apt_pkg.VersionCompare(a, b)
> # use compare as needed
And what would be "as needed", for those who never used apt-python or
even Python at all? Here's my first Python script:
#!/usr/bin/python
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Hi,
Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And what would be "as needed", for those who never used apt-python or
> even Python at all? Here's my first Python script:
When you don't understand, try it interactively from the Python
interpreter:
% python
Python 2.4.4 (#2, Apr 5 2007, 20:11:18
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Frank Küster wrote:
> Michael Koch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 10:11:18AM +0200, Frank Küster wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I'm currently preparing an NMU for a package which, besides an RC bug,
> >> also has a bug in its last version number. The upstre
[Evgeni Golov]
> Now my question to the init-gurus/maintainers is: is the behavior of
> my script correct, or should verbose mean: "print minimal status
> information, but suppress warnings etc"?
I would recommend only printing warning and error messages when
VERBOSE is disabled, so in this regar
Hi
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 14:31:51 +0200
Evgeni Golov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> an user reported in #419413, that my init-script does no output, if
> VERBOSE is set to no. He also gave examples (ssh, openbsd-initd, samba)
> of packages, who ignore the verbose-setting and do some output with
> "ec
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* Florent Rougon:
> This function doesn't return anything (well, actually, it returns the
> object None). The correct version is:
>
> def compare(a, b):
> return apt_pkg.VersionCompare(a, b)
Yes, indeed, sorry about that. Too much Perl lately. Thanks for
explaining the multi-way compare, to
* Hamish Moffatt:
>> It's also a good idea to check against APT's implementation when
>> playing with strange version numbers (because it's not the same). The
>> python-apt package contains a wrapper (not yet another independent
>> implementation):
>
> Good idea. What about dak - does it have its
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> * Hamish Moffatt:
>
> > FWIW you can experiment quite easily using
> >
> > dpkg --compare-versions x lt y && echo Yes
>
> > Interestingly, "4.22.." is considered higher than "4.22.3". I'm not sure
> > if this is good advice though
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an user reported in #419413, that my init-script does no output, if
VERBOSE is set to no. He also gave examples (ssh, openbsd-initd, samba)
of packages, who ignore the verbose-setting and do some output with
"echo" or "log_*" from lsb-base, what he thinks is "normal".
But there are also pack
[Johannes Wiedersich]
> My point was, that popcon is not a good metric for the number of
> installed systems, since it reports about the same number of systems
> that we agree on being way too low.
I agree. It can be used as a lower bound, thought. It is unlikely
that there are fewer Debian sys
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What's with having to call apt_pkg.init() manually? That's uncool. It
True, that is very unpythonic. I guess apt_pkg is a very thin and
straight wrapper for the underlying C++ (or is it C?) library.
> should be automatic. Simple in a pure Python packag
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Quoting Petter Reinholdtsen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>
> [Evgeni Golov]
> > Now my question to the init-gurus/maintainers is: is the behavior of
> > my script correct, or should verbose mean: "print minimal status
> > information, but suppress warnings etc"?
>
> I would recommend only printing warnin
On Tue, 17 Apr 2007, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 02:22:27PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> > It's also a good idea to check against APT's implementation when
> > playing with strange version numbers (because it's not the same).
> > The python-apt package contains a wrapper (not
On 4/17/07, Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I know --compare-versions, but I wasn't patient enough to come to
4.22.. But it 4.22..-3.1 doesn't look too bad to me actually, just
funny.
Other posibilities:
~$ dpkg --compare-versions 4.22.3-1 lt 4.22_-3.1 && echo Yes
Yes
~$ dpkg --compar
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> On 4/17/07, Frank Küster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I know --compare-versions, but I wasn't patient enough to come to
> >4.22.. But it 4.22..-3.1 doesn't look too bad to me actually, just
> >funny.
>
> I like "4.22_-3.1", it
Hi NG
This Linux/Debian documentation suggestion, regards Linux and
applications commands.
It is proposed that the kernel and applications packets (.deb, .rpm)
includes (or has the possibilty to include) documentation about the
package commands. Maybe in many languages like Mac OS X. Mac OS
* Margarita Manterola:
> Other posibilities:
>
> ~$ dpkg --compare-versions 4.22.3-1 lt 4.22_-3.1 && echo Yes
> Yes
Keep in mind that dpkg does not check for the validity of version
numbers. "_" is in fact forbidden, and I believe there is a check in
dak that enforces that.
(The list of permitte
"Margarita Manterola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The only thing that worries me a bit is that this prevents any 4.22.x
> future upstream version. I guess that an epoch would be need in that
> case. (4.22.3 already prevented any upstream version in 4.22.[123]).
Yes, therefore an epoch would be n
> The "man" and "info" documentation should (with time) be included in
> the package. Why should I search the net for command documentations?
> The system should supply the right documentation.
Feel free to file a bug against each package that does not provide proper
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On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 09:27:38PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
> Keep in mind that dpkg does not check for the validity of version
> numbers. "_" is in fact forbidden, and I believe there is a check in
> dak that enforces that.
> (The list of permitted characters in the policy is up to date AFAI
Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 09:27:38PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
>
>> Keep in mind that dpkg does not check for the validity of version
>> numbers. "_" is in fact forbidden, and I believe there is a check in
>> dak that enforces that.
>
>> (The list of permitted charac
On 17-Apr-07, 13:25 (CDT), Glenn Moeller-Holst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It is proposed that the kernel and applications packets (.deb, .rpm)
> includes (or has the possibilty to include) documentation about the
> package commands.
They do. Have you looked? Some packages with large documenta
On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 09:53:58PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote:
> "Margarita Manterola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > The only thing that worries me a bit is that this prevents any 4.22.x
> > future upstream version. I guess that an epoch would be need in that
> > case. (4.22.3 already prevented
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> > *If I want or need command xxzz, which packages can give me that?
>
> You'll need to explore the packages website.
Or try out 'apt-file search xxzz' if
Steve Greenland wrote:
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>> *If I want or need command xxzz, which packages can give me that?
>
> You'll need to explore the packages website.
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Hi,
Mario Iseli [0]reported that he started to translate the BTS
manual into german (good idea btw!)
What makes me wonder is that there is also [1]another
manual which has more or less the same content and is
already translated.
I see no real benefit to have both documents, what do you
think about
On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Nico Golde wrote:
> Mario Iseli [0]reported that he started to translate the BTS
> manual into german (good idea btw!)
> What makes me wonder is that there is also [1]another
> manual which has more or less the same content and is
> already translated.
>
> I see no real benefi
On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 05:02:19PM -0400, Felipe Sateler wrote:
> Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 17, 2007 at 09:27:38PM +0200, Florian Weimer wrote:
>>> (The list of permitted characters in the policy is up to date AFAIK,
>>> except that "~" is missing.)
>> Not quite, policy says ":" is
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