Guillem Jover dixit:
>> Ah, no, don’t use ar to create .deb files.
>>
>> http://www.mirbsd.org/permalinks/wlog-10_e20110818-tg-g10046.htm
>
>Using binutils' ar should be considered supported, and works fine with
>dpkg-deb and dpkg, the accepted format is documented in deb(5). I'd
The problem is t
On Tue, 2012-05-22 at 12:47:01 +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> Guillem Jover dixit:
> > the archive override. And if we have to keep changing the packages
> > anyway to make sure they match changing priorities, we might as well
> > just set the compressor (to gzip) explicitly for base packages.
>
On Tue, 2012-05-22 at 12:44:02 +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> Adam Borowski dixit:
> >using the attached script.
>
> Ah, no, don’t use ar to create .deb files.
>
> http://www.mirbsd.org/permalinks/wlog-10_e20110818-tg-g10046.htm
Using binutils' ar should be considered supported, and works fine
Guillem Jover dixit:
>the archive override. And if we have to keep changing the packages
>anyway to make sure they match changing priorities, we might as well
>just set the compressor (to gzip) explicitly for base packages.
Pseudo-essential packages are going to be a problem though.
What if a (hy
Adam Borowski dixit:
>using the attached script.
Ah, no, don’t use ar to create .deb files.
http://www.mirbsd.org/permalinks/wlog-10_e20110818-tg-g10046.htm
What you can do is:
$ paxtar cAf foo.deb debian-binary control.* data.*
It’s in wheezy already.
bye,
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Adam Borowski dixit:
>if udebs switched to xz (unpacking takes ~10MB memory).
-2 takes only 3 MiB, which is about 2 MiB more than gzip,
since that number is rounded.
bye,
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On 2012-05-19 00:52 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 12:27:15PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
>> Guillem Jover wrote:
>> > Only as long as the debian/control information matches the one from
>> > the archive override.
>>
>> I checked, and currently the only base package with an ove
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 12:27:15PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Guillem Jover wrote:
> > Only as long as the debian/control information matches the one from
> > the archive override.
>
> I checked, and currently the only base package with an overridden priority
> is libsigc++-2.0-0c2a
So, would it b
While this has been an interesting thread, it may be predicated on a
false premise. I examined the latest weekly CD build, and the reason no
desktop tasks at all (even lxde or xfce) appear on their respective CDs
is because debian-cd is simply not including tasksel's new task-*
packages, at all.
Guillem Jover wrote:
> Only as long as the debian/control information matches the one from
> the archive override.
I checked, and currently the only base package with an overridden priority
is libsigc++-2.0-0c2a
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+++ Mehdi Dogguy [2012-05-16 16:24 +0200]:
> On 16/05/12 13:41, Wookey wrote:
> >is there any reason not to just upload this to Debian?
>
> There are ITPs filed for it:
> - http://bugs.debian.org/582884
> - http://bugs.debian.org/576359
Yes. I discovered that when I went to file an ITP :-)
It tu
On Sun, 2012-05-13 at 18:47:01 -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Adam Borowski wrote:
> > Special-casing base packages would be a lot of complexity, let's avoid that
> > if possible -- but still preferred to letting gzip stay.
>
> Base packages can be identified at build time by their priority.
> if ($pri
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 02:47:54PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Can someone set the default to xz and recompile all of Debian or at
> least base and create a repository from that for install tests?
I tested it a bit, both with bare debootstrap into a chroot, and by
recompressing all debs o
Hi,
Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Remembering the fun that we had during the Squeeze release with trying
> to make single-CD installations work well, it's time to consider what
> we're going to *claim* to support in Wheezy. We've had a history of
> supporting the following single-CD installations:
>
>
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 07:54:17AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
> On Thu, 17 May 2012 04:36:40 +0200
> Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> > On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 02:47:54PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > > Can someone set the default to xz and recompile all of Debian or at
> > > least base and cre
On 17.05.2012 07:54, Neil Williams wrote:
On Thu, 17 May 2012 04:36:40 +0200
Adam Borowski wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 02:47:54PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow
wrote:
> Can someone set the default to xz and recompile all of Debian or
at
> least base and create a repository from that for ins
On Thu, 17 May 2012 04:36:40 +0200
Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 02:47:54PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > Can someone set the default to xz and recompile all of Debian or at
> > least base and create a repository from that for install tests?
>
> There's no need to recom
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 02:47:54PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Can someone set the default to xz and recompile all of Debian or at
> least base and create a repository from that for install tests?
There's no need to recompile anything. You can recompress existing packages
using the attac
[Steve McIntyre]
> You're not measuring the time taken to sync to the flash drive
> either, so all you're going to be seeing is the speed of writing to
> cache.
Huh, I figured the 'sync' call at the end of each test run covered
that.
> I've done lots of work with USB flash and MMC/SD cards over
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Joey Hess writes:
>
> > Adam Borowski wrote:
> >> Could you please mention which ones do not? And if so, how are they
> >> relevant/are they fixable?
> >
> > As one of the maintainers of debootstrap, I am perhaps more aware than
> > some how broadly it's used. Ok..
Steve Langasek wrote:
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:26:13PM -0300, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
wrote:
> On Dom 13 May 2012 21:40:10 Marco d'Itri escribió:
> [snip]
> > Does anybody actually know that people routinely try to install desktop
> > systems with only a CD and no networking,
On May 16, 2012, at 10:49 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> [CC'ing Hans-Christoph in case he isn't following this list]
>
> On 12-05-16 at 02:47pm, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
>> Joey Hess writes:
>>
>>> Adam Borowski wrote:
Could you please mention which ones do not? And if so, how are
>>
Hi,
Bjørn Mork wrote:
> On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
> the "floppy" group.
Ferenc Wagner wrote:
> What about recommending /dev/disk/by-id/usb-X instead?
I understand that the instructions about creating a Debian installation
medium shall be usable on as many systems as
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 09:00:29PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
>[Steve McIntyre]
>> The major win with dd onto a raw device is that you can specify the
>> block size. For most USB sticks, using a block size of 4MB or so is
>> going to be *much* faster than using the default for dd (512 bytes)
>>
Jonathan Nieder writes:
> speaking lets each user access media that they have inserted. Last
> time I checked[1] (a while ago), the same rules did not apply to USB
> sticks.
Yes, this is the point I was trying to make in the first place :)
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Bjørn Mork wrote:
> Timo Juhani Lindfors writes:
>> You also need to have root access to some machine to create the USB
>> media.
>
> No, you don't. On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
> the "floppy" group. From /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules :
>
> # default permissio
[CC'ing Hans-Christoph in case he isn't following this list]
On 12-05-16 at 02:47pm, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> Joey Hess writes:
>
> > Adam Borowski wrote:
> >> Could you please mention which ones do not? And if so, how are
> >> they relevant/are they fixable?
> >
> > As one of the maintai
On 16/05/12 13:41, Wookey wrote:
is there any reason not to just upload this to Debian?
There are ITPs filed for it:
- http://bugs.debian.org/582884
- http://bugs.debian.org/576359
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On Wed, 16 May 2012, Wookey wrote:
> this to Debian? I see a couple of places in the UI where it says
> 'Ubuntu' and it would be good if it got a bit cleverer and put in the
If Ubuntu sponsored the creation of usb-creator, we can package it that
way just fine, as long as the trademark license for
Joey Hess writes:
> Adam Borowski wrote:
>> Could you please mention which ones do not? And if so, how are they
>> relevant/are they fixable?
>
> As one of the maintainers of debootstrap, I am perhaps more aware than
> some how broadly it's used. Ok..
>
> They use it on Android (41,600 hits incl
+++ Timo Juhani Lindfors [2012-05-15 21:01 +0300]:
Yes, turns out I failed to read the instructions right, presumably due
to thinking I knew how this worked (i.e. you can't just put an iso
stright onto a USB stick, and you need 'hd-media' for USB sticks).
I'm glad to see that this has got signifi
Bjørn Mork writes:
> I fail to see how burning to a local user's CD is any better, but yes,
> if that is a consideration then they need some system to tie the rights
> to console access. I believe ConsoleKit and the replacement
> systemd-loginctl attempts to solve such problems.
Yes, I believe u
"Thomas Schmitt" writes:
> I am a bit scared by the catastrophic potential of
> cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX
> for X = valuable hard disk.
What about recommending /dev/disk/by-id/usb-X instead?
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Ben Armstrong wrote:
> On 05/16/2012 06:10 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> > Bjørn Mork writes:
> >> No, you don't. On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
> >> the "floppy" group. From /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules :
> >
> > Yeah bu
On 05/16/2012 06:10 AM, Timo Juhani Lindfors wrote:
> Bjørn Mork writes:
>> No, you don't. On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
>> the "floppy" group. From /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules :
>
> Yeah but you are not a member of that group by default surely?
$ debconf-sho
Timo Juhani Lindfors writes:
> Bjørn Mork writes:
>> No, you don't. On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
>> the "floppy" group. From /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules :
>
> Yeah but you are not a member of that group by default surely?
No, that decision should be left to
Timo Juhani Lindfors writes:
> Wookey writes:
>> And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
>> have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
>> put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images.
>
> You also need to have root acces
Bjørn Mork writes:
> No, you don't. On a default Debian system you need to be a member of
> the "floppy" group. From /lib/udev/rules.d/91-permissions.rules :
Yeah but you are not a member of that group by default surely?
> You mean that they allow you to burn a CD but not write to a USB
> stic
[Steve McIntyre]
> The major win with dd onto a raw device is that you can specify the
> block size. For most USB sticks, using a block size of 4MB or so is
> going to be *much* faster than using the default for dd (512 bytes)
> or cp (10 KB IIRC).
That seemed a little fishy to me, since none of
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:40:55PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
>
>[Steve McIntyre]
>> (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en)
>
>While it is refreshing to see "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX" instead of
>the usual dd nonsense (it seems there's an extremely widespread myth
>that y
[Samuel Thibault]
> > I think "cp" is even more straightforward.
>
> Does cp accept that way since a long time?
I'm not sure, but I've been using things like "cp boot.img /dev/fd0"
for probably 10 or 15 years on various Linux and Unix systems. (The
fact that I referred to a floppy drive may giv
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 10:18:25 +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 05:56:54PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > Installed-Size is generated automatically by dpkg-buildpackage, so the
> > only way that you'd get a package without it is by manually creating a
> > package, which nearly no
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 17:31:47 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le lundi 14 mai 2012 à 17:56 -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
> > Installed-Size is generated automatically by dpkg-buildpackage, so the
> > only way that you'd get a package without it is by manually creating a
> > package, which nearly
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 02:45:47PM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote:
> On 05/15/2012 02:18 PM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> > I am a bit scared by the catastrophic potential of
> > cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX
> > for X = valuable hard disk.
>
> I've wondered about that, too, when working on the relevant sect
Ben Armstrong writes:
> accomplish as the superuser.) What I wonder, though, is if it is
> universally true that ordinary users will always have write access to a
> USB key they've just inserted. Under what circumstances will they not?
At least in default debian and ubuntu systems they don't have
Peter Samuelson, le Tue 15 May 2012 12:40:55 -0500, a écrit :
> > (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en)
>
> While it is refreshing to see "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX" instead of
> the usual dd nonsense (it seems there's an extremely widespread myth
> that you need to use dd
On 05/15/2012 02:18 PM, Thomas Schmitt wrote:
> I am a bit scared by the catastrophic potential of
> cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX
> for X = valuable hard disk.
I've wondered about that, too, when working on the relevant section of
the Debian Live Manual.
> Maybe one should advise people to first r
[Steve McIntyre]
> (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en)
While it is refreshing to see "cat debian.iso > /dev/sdX" instead of
the usual dd nonsense (it seems there's an extremely widespread myth
that you need to use dd any time you're reading or writing block
devices), I t
Hi,
Steve McIntyre wrote:
> (http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch04s03.html.en) but
> skipped straight past section 4.3.1. Looks like we could do with a big
> clear message "DO THIS UNLESS YOU HAVE SPECIAL NEEDS" to make it more
> obvious. :-)
I am a bit scared by the catastrophic poten
Hi,
> Fedora/RH folks recently added more
> hacks to isohybrid to support booting on Macs:
> http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/11285.html
This is achieved by applying ISOLINUX program isohybrid from a recent
ISOLINYX version to the already produced ISO images. syslinux-4.05
should probably do.
It is a
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 06:13:24PM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote:
>On Tue, 15 May 2012 22:34:20 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
>
>> > And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
>> > have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
>> > put on. It's no wonder n
On Tue, 15 May 2012 22:34:20 +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> > And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
> > have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
> > put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images.
> I thought HD-media was a t
Le lundi 14 mai 2012 à 17:56 -0700, Russ Allbery a écrit :
> Installed-Size is generated automatically by dpkg-buildpackage, so the
> only way that you'd get a package without it is by manually creating a
> package, which nearly no one does. So in practice it's always there,
> although it might n
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Wookey wrote:
> And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
> have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
> put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images.
I thought HD-media was a thing of the
Wookey writes:
> And the USB-stick process is not as simple as it might be because you
> have to find the HD-media files and then _also_ find an iso image to
> put on. It's no wonder newbs are still downloading CD/DVD images.
You also need to have root access to some machine to create the USB
me
+++ Steve McIntyre [2012-05-15 13:38 +0100]:
> [ re-adding CC to debian-cd and debian-boot ]
>
> 2. USB-targeted images
>
> I've also tweaked DVD#1 of each set to fit in 4GB instead of the
> normal 4.7GB, so that it fits on a 4GB USB stick to make it more
> useful. We could quite readily produce
[ re-adding CC to debian-cd and debian-boot ]
Adam Borowski wrote:
>On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 05:04:16PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> Hey folks,
>>
>> Remembering the fun that we had during the Squeeze release with trying
>> to make single-CD installations work well, it's time to consider what
>
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 2:56 AM, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Charles Plessy writes:
>> Le Tue, May 15, 2012 at 01:54:53AM +0200, David Kalnischkies a écrit :
>
>>> And the fields defining a difference in versions are:
>>> Installed-Size, Depends, Pre-Depends, Conflicts, Breaks and Replaces.
>>> Differe
Le Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:57:15AM +0200, Adam Borowski a écrit :
>
> And besides, why are we talking about Installed-Size in the first place?
Because I asked a question off-topic in that thread without breaking it.
Apologies for this confusion.
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On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:18:25AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 05:56:54PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > Installed-Size is generated automatically by dpkg-buildpackage, so the
> > only way that you'd get a package without it is by manually creating a
> > package, which nearl
Hi,
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:34:39AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> So to use the image you need either a DVD or a USB stick, and if you're
> using a write-once DVD you're perhaps wasting the unused space; but the
> download time and install footprint are still kept low and in the range of
> wh
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:34:39AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> So to use the image you need either a DVD or a USB stick, and if you're using
> a write-once DVD you're perhaps wasting the unused space; but the download
> time and install footprint are still kept low and in the range of what a CD
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 05:56:54PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Installed-Size is generated automatically by dpkg-buildpackage, so the
> only way that you'd get a package without it is by manually creating a
> package, which nearly no one does. So in practice it's always there,
> although it might
Charles Plessy writes:
> Le Tue, May 15, 2012 at 01:54:53AM +0200, David Kalnischkies a écrit :
>> And the fields defining a difference in versions are:
>> Installed-Size, Depends, Pre-Depends, Conflicts, Breaks and Replaces.
>> Differences in all other fields are ignored (as they are not guarant
Le Tue, May 15, 2012 at 01:54:53AM +0200, David Kalnischkies a écrit :
>
> And the fields defining a difference in versions are:
> Installed-Size, Depends, Pre-Depends, Conflicts, Breaks and Replaces.
> Differences in all other fields are ignored (as they are not guaranteed to
> be present - the
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:46 AM, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:33:34PM +0200, Bálint Réczey wrote:
>> 2012/5/14, Marco d'Itri :
>> > Do we actually have an official debootstrap package for foreign systems?
>> > We could ship a static busybox with it and solve this and other is
Le Mon, May 14, 2012 at 10:33:22PM +0100, Andrew M.A. Cater a écrit :
> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:30:12PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> > On May 12, Adam Borowski wrote:
> >
> > > Thus, let's just switch dpkg-deb's default to xz. Lowering bandwidth
> > > usage
> > > is worth the extra build tim
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:33:34PM +0200, Bálint Réczey wrote:
> 2012/5/14, Marco d'Itri :
> > Do we actually have an official debootstrap package for foreign systems?
> > We could ship a static busybox with it and solve this and other issues.
> > (I know, not all the world is a VAX, etc... But we
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 11:30:12PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On May 12, Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> > Thus, let's just switch dpkg-deb's default to xz. Lowering bandwidth usage
> > is worth the extra build time cost.
> Agreed, this looks like a good idea.
>
> --
> ciao,
> Marco
The only probl
Hi,
2012/5/14, Marco d'Itri :
> On May 14, Adam Borowski wrote:
>
>> Ie, the problem is not in d-i, but in running debootstrap on foreign
>> systems. And that's indeed not easily fixable :(
> Do we actually have an official debootstrap package for foreign systems?
> We could ship a static busybo
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 6:39 AM, Michael Biebl wrote:
> On 14.05.2012 12:30, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> Let's keep providing CDs as install medium, because it is still relevant
>> for some (and, I vaguely feel, not only exotically few) real use cases
>> to install non-bloated desktop at places with
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:26:13PM -0300, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer
wrote:
> On Dom 13 May 2012 21:40:10 Marco d'Itri escribió:
> [snip]
> > Does anybody actually know that people routinely try to install desktop
> > systems with only a CD and no networking, and why?
> > What is the use
Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote:
> Indeed, I have seen that pattern before, although I think it was because
> people are used to get CDs, not DVDs (ie, just a matter of habit).
Another reason is that it's more likely for a throwaway USB key to be in
the 1-2 gb range than the 5 gb range.
Marco d'Itri wrote:
> Do we actually have an official debootstrap package for foreign systems?
> We could ship a static busybox with it and solve this and other issues.
We don't really. When you look around, a variety of ad-hoc methods are
used to install debootstrap on foreign systems. The simple
On Lun 14 May 2012 07:30:30 Jonas Smedegaard escribió:
[snip]
> I wish people would collaborate more.
>
> I wish people would care more about efficient use of resources.
Me too :-)
> I did not claim that there was great sense behind that usage pattern,
> but I do claim that it is reality in some
On May 14, Adam Borowski wrote:
> Ie, the problem is not in d-i, but in running debootstrap on foreign
> systems. And that's indeed not easily fixable :(
Do we actually have an official debootstrap package for foreign systems?
We could ship a static busybox with it and solve this and other issue
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 06:47:01PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Adam Borowski wrote:
> > Could you please mention which ones do not? And if so, how are they
> > relevant/are they fixable?
>
> As one of the maintainers of debootstrap, I am perhaps more aware than
> some how broadly it's used. Ok..
>
Le 14/05/12 12:39, Michael Biebl a écrit :
> On 14.05.2012 12:30, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> Let's keep providing CDs as install medium, because it is still relevant
>> for some (and, I vaguely feel, not only exotically few) real use cases
>> to install non-bloated desktop at places with flaky/ex
Michael Biebl wrote:
> GNOME 3.4 has seen a lot of effort put into improving accessibility
> support, especially gnome-shell. Once we have a complete 3.4 stack, it
> would be great if you can give it another try and report any issues.
There are a number of us on the debian-accessibility list wh
On 14.05.2012 03:29, Samuel Thibault wrote:
> I haven't tried myself, but gnome3 most probably introduced
> non-accessible custom widgets, buttons without labels, etc. For
> instance, the alt-F2 widget, used a lot by blind people, is currently
> inaccessible...
GNOME 3.4 has seen a lot of effort p
On 14.05.2012 12:30, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Let's keep providing CDs as install medium, because it is still relevant
> for some (and, I vaguely feel, not only exotically few) real use cases
> to install non-bloated desktop at places with flaky/expensive Internet.
Having different default desk
On 12-05-14 at 11:22am, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On May 14, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>
> > It is my impression from my visits in the Fall (although I do not
> > have any hard data to support it) that in India and Indonesia
> > network access is generally so slow that even if computers have DVD
> >
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 09:33:18AM +0100, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 12:40:10AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
> > There's *no* reason to think that GNOME or KDE are going to get back
> > below the 1 CD limit at the next Debian stable release.
>
> I was under the impression that GNO
On May 14, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> It is my impression from my visits in the Fall (although I do not have
> any hard data to support it) that in India and Indonesia network access
> is generally so slow that even if computers have DVD drives the common
> media downloaded and used is CD.
This
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 12:40:10AM +0100, Neil Williams wrote:
> There's *no* reason to think that GNOME or KDE are going to get back
> below the 1 CD limit at the next Debian stable release.
I was under the impression that GNOME3 fit onto one CD with recent Fedora
releases, but I am having troubl
On 12-05-13 at 10:26pm, Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer wrote:
> On Dom 13 May 2012 21:40:10 Marco d'Itri escribió:
> [snip]
> > Does anybody actually know that people routinely try to install desktop
> > systems with only a CD and no networking, and why?
> > What is the use case for this? Chea
Hello,
Joey Hess, le Sun 13 May 2012 20:39:20 -0400, a écrit :
> Neil Williams wrote:
> > "supporting only the smaller/lighter desktop environments" is exactly
> > what comes out of accepting that the first two options just won't be
> > acceptable. Changing compression is only putting off the inev
On Dom 13 May 2012 21:40:10 Marco d'Itri escribió:
[snip]
> Does anybody actually know that people routinely try to install desktop
> systems with only a CD and no networking, and why?
> What is the use case for this? Cheap DVD readers have been around for
> over 10 years now.
Actually, I was goin
On May 14, Neil Williams wrote:
> I'd support XFCE4 as the default Graphical Desktop Environment and
> possibly putting GNOME (and KDE) as alternative options.
What is the point of providing a default which is not what people
usually want?
Just document that a normal desktop install will require
Neil Williams wrote:
> "supporting only the smaller/lighter desktop environments" is exactly
> what comes out of accepting that the first two options just won't be
> acceptable. Changing compression is only putting off the inevitable.
> There's *no* reason to think that GNOME or KDE are going to ge
On Sun, 13 May 2012 18:36:09 -0400
Michael Gilbert wrote:
> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > Hey folks,
> >
> > Remembering the fun that we had during the Squeeze release with trying
> > to make single-CD installations work well, it's time to consider what
> > we're goi
Adam Borowski wrote:
> Could you please mention which ones do not? And if so, how are they
> relevant/are they fixable?
As one of the maintainers of debootstrap, I am perhaps more aware than
some how broadly it's used. Ok..
They use it on Android (41,600 hits including
http://evilzone.org/andro
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Hey folks,
>
> Remembering the fun that we had during the Squeeze release with trying
> to make single-CD installations work well, it's time to consider what
> we're going to *claim* to support in Wheezy. We've had a history of
> supporting
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 09:49:19PM +0200, Julien Cristau wrote:
> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 21:35:16 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> > That's why busybox includes xz :)
> >
> Not all relevant busybox builds do, which is the point.
Could you please mention which ones do not? And if so, how are the
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 21:35:16 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> That's why busybox includes xz :)
>
Not all relevant busybox builds do, which is the point.
Cheers,
Julien
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On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:42:46PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> Adam Borowski wrote:
> > Except that busybox has xz support, and is loaded from an udeb way before
> > any regular debs are seen. Ie, there is no reason to stop "core packages"
> > from using decent compression.
>
> Yes there is. busybo
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 12:59:11PM -0400, Chris Knadle wrote:
> On Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:42:46, Joey Hess wrote:
> > Many arm systems have 64 mb of ram or less.
>
> The NSLU2 boxes that were common to install a port of Debian onto are one
> such
> example, although I'm not sure how realistic a
On Sunday, May 13, 2012 12:42:46, Joey Hess wrote:
> Adam Borowski wrote:
> > Except that busybox has xz support, and is loaded from an udeb way before
> > any regular debs are seen. Ie, there is no reason to stop "core
> > packages" from using decent compression.
>
> Yes there is. busybox is use
Adam Borowski wrote:
> Except that busybox has xz support, and is loaded from an udeb way before
> any regular debs are seen. Ie, there is no reason to stop "core packages"
> from using decent compression.
Yes there is. busybox is used on a variety of systems, which are
unlikely to have xz instal
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 09:27:26AM +0200, Philipp Kern wrote:
> On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 02:06:25AM +0200, Guillem Jover wrote:
> > Also if udeb:s are going to be using xz then it makes even more sense to use
> > it for everything.
>
> µdebs won't use the xz default, though. (The compression for t
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