On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 18:02:29 +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> ]] Thorsten Glaser
>
> > On Thu, 21 Aug 2014, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> >
> > > There is something called LLVMpipe, it's a software fallback when there
> >
> > Hm, but LLVM is not available for all Debian (CPU) architectures.
>
]] Thorsten Glaser
> On Thu, 21 Aug 2014, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
>
> > There is something called LLVMpipe, it's a software fallback when there
>
> Hm, but LLVM is not available for all Debian (CPU) architectures.
Given we're talking about jessie's default and it's available for all of
jessie
On Thu, 21 Aug 2014, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> There is something called LLVMpipe, it's a software fallback when there
Hm, but LLVM is not available for all Debian (CPU) architectures.
bye,
//mirabilos (let’s make IceWM the default desktop and good is.)
--
[16:04:33] bkix: "veni vidi violini"
Hey,
On Thu, Aug 21, 2014, at 17:56, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> Hello,
> For some hardware there are no 3D drivers. E.g. in server-boards there
> are most of the time very poor GPU's. I don't use a graphical
> environment on servers myself most of the time, but I think many people
> do.
We don't
Joss wrote:
>
>I think there are several ways to do that:
> * tweak the debian-cd scripts to build GNOME images for Linux
>architectures and Xfce or MATE images for !linux (I canât tell
>how hard it is)
It's perfectly feasible; at the moment, the debian-cd scripts on
pette
Le Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 07:27:14AM +0200, intrigeri a écrit :
>
> Paul van der Vlis wrote (21 Aug 2014 15:56:53 GMT) :
> > There is something called LLVMpipe, it's a software fallback when there
> > is no 3D video driver. [...] How does it work on older machines?
>
> I'm particularly interested i
Hi,
Paul van der Vlis wrote (21 Aug 2014 15:56:53 GMT) :
> There is something called LLVMpipe, it's a software fallback when there
> is no 3D video driver. [...] How does it work on older machines?
I'm particularly interested in this question, e.g. on machines in the
ThinkPad X32 / X60 / X61 clas
Le jeudi 21 août 2014 à 13:17 -0700, Ben Hutchings a écrit :
> It works for me in a KVM/QEMU VM with cirrus emulation. That has no 3D
> acceleration, and I am viewing the display with VNC. As I understand
> it, the composition and animation effects are simplified when LLVMpipe
> is being used, s
On Thu, 2014-08-21 at 17:56 +0200, Paul van der Vlis wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Here my points about using Gnome 3.12:
>
> Gnome 3.12 depends on 3D video drivers or a emulation of that. In Gnome
> 3.4 (Wheezy) there was a "fallback mode", but that's gone. There is now
> something called "GNOME Classic"
Hello,
Here my points about using Gnome 3.12:
Gnome 3.12 depends on 3D video drivers or a emulation of that. In Gnome
3.4 (Wheezy) there was a "fallback mode", but that's gone. There is now
something called "GNOME Classic" but that still needs 3D drivers. It's
only more "classic" with menu's etc.
Hi Svante, hi all,
On Fr 15 Aug 2014 11:02:28 CEST, Svante Signell wrote:
Please don't top post!
On Thu, 2014-08-14 at 15:12 +0100, envite wrote:
Why not MATE for all and put a11y into it?
Makes more sense for e.g. small computers like those in 3rd World
talked before.
Enviado de Samsun
Please don't top post!
On Thu, 2014-08-14 at 15:12 +0100, envite wrote:
> Why not MATE for all and put a11y into it?
>
> Makes more sense for e.g. small computers like those in 3rd World talked
> before.
>
> Enviado de Samsung Mobile
I'm all for it, and am willing to help making it happen. Wi
Hi,
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> I think there are several ways to do that:
[...]
> * make stripped-down gnome-core/gnome metapackages for !linux,
> relying on lightdm and gnome-flashback (that I can do)
I believe this should be done. It's also in the spirit of p
Hi Josselin,
here's my take as d-i release guy. That's basically in line with
Christian's except for the last answer.
I'm also putting -boot@ in Cc so that other d-i members can voice their
opinions. Full mail can be found at:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2014/08/msg00432.html
Jossel
: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop
Le jeudi 14 août 2014 à 08:53 +0200, Christian PERRIER a écrit :
> > → Will you configure different defaults for different architectures?
>
> Given the current architecture of tasksel, I think it requires
> important cha
Le jeudi 14 août 2014 à 08:53 +0200, Christian PERRIER a écrit :
> > → Will you configure different defaults for different architectures?
>
> Given the current architecture of tasksel, I think it requires
> important changes to the code and nearly nobody contributes to the
> code: tasksel is in m
Can we please keep accessibility for the disabled in mind too?
Unless Debian wants to be completely ableist, Gnome and KDE are the only
two viable options.
I worked in adaptive technology for years training blind users to use
JAWS under windows. I think it's great that similar technology now
Quoting Josselin Mouette (j...@debian.org):
> I’d like the thread to be useful, and for that goal it would be much
> appreciated if the d-i team could you tell us what the relevant criteria
> are and what people need to work on.
Here is my opinion. Please take it as "opinion of someone who's been
On 07/08/14 23:10, Jordi Mallach wrote:
> Popularity: One of the metrics discussed by the tasksel change proponents
> mentioned popcon numbers. 8 months after the desktop change, Xfce does not
> seem
> to have made a dent on install numbers. The Debian GNOME team doesnât feel
> popconâs data
>
>
> I’d like the thread to be useful, and for that goal it would be much
> appreciated if the d-i team could you tell us what the relevant criteria
> are and what people need to work on.
>
> → Is the installation CD size still relevant?
> → What is the target audience of Debian-installer for the
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 06:34:46PM -0400, Hashem Nasarat wrote:
>
> The following "first party" extensions are developed along with
> gnome-shell and are updated for each gnome-shell release.
> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell-extensions/tree/extensions
>
> Extensions on https://extension
On 13/08/14 23:08, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
> the common reaction I get from new Linux users [...]
> I would also recommend to go for
> this user group when selecting a default, since any more experienced
> user can absolutely be expected to pick the right image with their
> favourite flavour of Debi
Le mardi 12 août 2014 à 12:26 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit :
> Ian Jackson wrote:
> > Do you intend to review (or are you reviewing) the decision taken in
> > July 2012 [1] ? If so, is this discussion here on -devel useful ? If
> > it is useful, what questions should we be focusing on ?
>
> See my
On 08/13/2014 06:08 PM, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
> 2014-08-13 22:59 GMT+02:00 Theodore Ts'o :
>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:18:49PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
>>> Well, Linus' extensions won't break because GNOME updates them with
>>> every release and ships them with the official GNOME release.
2014-08-13 22:59 GMT+02:00 Theodore Ts'o :
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:18:49PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
>> Well, Linus' extensions won't break because GNOME updates them with
>> every release and ships them with the official GNOME release.
>
> From the README found in "gnome-shell-extensions"
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:18:49PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote:
> Well, Linus' extensions won't break because GNOME updates them with
> every release and ships them with the official GNOME release.
>From the README found in "gnome-shell-extensions" sources:
GNOME Shell Extensions is a collec
2014-08-13 22:05 GMT+02:00 Anthony F McInerney :
>> But I'm actually back to gnome3 because with the right
>> extensions it is more pleasant."
>
> So the question is does debian have the extensions he speaks of?
> (and) Have debian tweaked those extensions by default, to his liking?
>
> And to quo
>
> But I'm actually back to gnome3 because with the right
> extensions it is more pleasant."
>
So the question is does debian have the extensions he speaks of?
(and) Have debian tweaked those extensions by default, to his liking?
And to quote a not so famous computer user who said "what's that c
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 04:09:25PM +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote:
> To quote a fairly famous Linux user who eventually came back from XFCE
> to GNOME: "But I'm actually back to gnome3 because with the right
> extensions it is more pleasant."[1]
>
> But I'm not sure if he qualifies as a power user
Hi,
On 08/13/2014 15:43, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
> Is it the power user? Is it developers? Is it the typical users I've
> seen on Launchpad, such that I've largely stopped dealing with bug
> reports there --- far too many Ubuntu users can't file a proper bug
> report, and then other Ubuntu users Go
Hi,
Theodore Ts'o writes:
> This is actually the core (hidden) question which I think is driving
> the whole debate. Ignoring the claims of Debian as the "universal
> operating system", what audience does Debian what to target by default
> in its installer?
Agreed. Though "default" is a very im
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 05:17:10PM -0700, Octavio Alvarez wrote:
>
> That's why I see GNOME 3 as a tablet environment. I'd love to use a
> tablet with GNOME 3. But using it in a desktop just reduces the
> communication between me and my computer. What is Debian?
This is actually the core (hidden)
On 2014-08-12, Octavio Alvarez wrote:
>
>
> On 09/08/14 04:30, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> Quoting envite (2014-08-09 10:43:25)
>>> XFCE (does not mount my USB disks)
>>
>> Did you perhaps suppress recommends?
>
> Should this really be a Recommends?
It surely fits the definition of Recommends.
|
On 08/11/2014 07:49 AM, Cameron Norman wrote:
> El dom, 10 de ago 2014 a las 11:39 , Kees de Jong
> escribió:
>> Why are we discussing CD/DVD sizes? Why not just use an USB
>> netinstall? It's then possible to download and install the stuff you
>> need, if you don't want to use a lot of bandwidth
❦ 13 août 2014 00:37 -0007, Cameron Norman :
> Probably relevant to Michael's inquiry: can we just get a few
> screenshots? It would be a lot easier to compare.
http://imgur.com/CzZblwH
http://imgur.com/z42IMOD
http://imgur.com/8hnR0NS
Only configuration done is settings font DPI (+ zoom to 15
❦ 13 août 2014 02:06 +0200, Michael Biebl :
>>> If you increase the DPI settings under XFCE following the instructions
>>> posted by Ted, none of the UI elements besides text are scaled, no
>>> scaled cursor, no scaled icons, no scaled window decorations, etc.
>>
>> As I am using awesome, windo
El mar, 12 de ago 2014 a las 5:06 , Michael Biebl
escribió:
Am 13.08.2014 01:59, schrieb Vincent Bernat:
❦ 13 août 2014 01:44 +0200, Michael Biebl :
I can not confirm your findings.
If you increase the DPI settings under XFCE following the
instructions
posted by Ted, none of the UI el
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 01:44:43AM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
>
> If you increase the DPI settings under XFCE following the instructions
> posted by Ted, none of the UI elements besides text are scaled, no
> scaled cursor, no scaled icons, no scaled window decorations, etc.
That's a fair comment
On 12/08/14 15:44, Theodore Ts'o wrote:
>>> So that's my experience with Xfce and HiDPI displays; at least for
>>> this hacker, it was orders of magnitude less painful than dealing with
>>> GNOME. :-)
>>
>> I would appreciate if you went into a little detail on what pain you had
>> with GNOME fo
Octavio Alvarez writes:
> On 09/08/14 04:30, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> Quoting envite (2014-08-09 10:43:25)
>>> XFCE (does not mount my USB disks)
>> Did you perhaps suppress recommends?
> Should this really be a Recommends?
Yes.
I have no need for and no desire for automatic USB disk mountin
Am 13.08.2014 01:59, schrieb Vincent Bernat:
> ❦ 13 août 2014 01:44 +0200, Michael Biebl :
>> I can not confirm your findings.
>>
>> If you increase the DPI settings under XFCE following the instructions
>> posted by Ted, none of the UI elements besides text are scaled, no
>> scaled cursor, no sc
❦ 13 août 2014 01:44 +0200, Michael Biebl :
>>> Scaling fonts alone is not sufficient if you want to properly support
>>> HiDPI displays. You really want all UI elements to be scaling up,
>>> otherwise icons etc get tiny and very hard to hit.
>>>
>>> XFCE does not deal with that problem at all.
On 09/08/14 04:30, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Hi envite,
>
> Thanks for your input.
>
> Quoting envite (2014-08-09 10:43:25)
>> XFCE (does not mount my USB disks)
>
> Did you perhaps suppress recommends?
Should this really be a Recommends?
--
To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@li
Am 13.08.2014 01:19, schrieb Vincent Bernat:
> ❦ 13 août 2014 00:25 +0200, Michael Biebl :
>> Scaling fonts alone is not sufficient if you want to properly support
>> HiDPI displays. You really want all UI elements to be scaling up,
>> otherwise icons etc get tiny and very hard to hit.
>>
>> XFC
❦ 13 août 2014 00:25 +0200, Michael Biebl :
>> Joey,
>>
>> With respect to your question re HiDPI displays and Xfce, I'm using
>> Xfce4 from Debian Testing on a Lenovo T540p with 3k screen, and
>> setting things up was fairly straight forward. I got most of what I
>> needed by setting Custom D
On 12 August 2014 23:25, Michael Biebl wrote:
>
> Scaling fonts alone is not sufficient if you want to properly support
> HiDPI displays. You really want all UI elements to be scaling up,
> otherwise icons etc get tiny and very hard to hit.
>
> XFCE does not deal with that problem at all.
>
> --
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 09:33:03PM -0007, Cameron Norman wrote:
> >With respect to your question re HiDPI displays and Xfce, I'm using
> >Xfce4 from Debian Testing on a Lenovo T540p with 3k screen, and
> >setting things up was fairly straight forward. I got most of what I
> >needed by setting Cust
Am 12.08.2014 21:11, schrieb Theodore Ts'o:
> On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:26:18PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
>> See my 1st message to this thread.
>
> Joey,
>
> With respect to your question re HiDPI displays and Xfce, I'm using
> Xfce4 from Debian Testing on a Lenovo T540p with 3k screen, and
> sett
El mar, 12 de ago 2014 a las 12:11 , Theodore Ts'o
escribió:
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:26:18PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
See my 1st message to this thread.
Joey,
With respect to your question re HiDPI displays and Xfce, I'm using
Xfce4 from Debian Testing on a Lenovo T540p with 3k screen, an
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:26:18PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> See my 1st message to this thread.
Joey,
With respect to your question re HiDPI displays and Xfce, I'm using
Xfce4 from Debian Testing on a Lenovo T540p with 3k screen, and
setting things up was fairly straight forward. I got most of w
On 08/08/14 05:41, Joey Hess wrote:
> (Also, perhaps worth noting
> that 3.12 is quite a few versions ahead of the gnome currently in
> unstable..)
The metapackages in src:meta-gnome3 are still at version 3.8, but the
actual upstream packages making up GNOME 3.12 are nearly all in testing
already.
Ian Jackson wrote:
> Do you intend to review (or are you reviewing) the decision taken in
> July 2012 [1] ? If so, is this discussion here on -devel useful ? If
> it is useful, what questions should we be focusing on ?
See my 1st message to this thread.
Can't say I've found most of the thread u
Jordi Mallach writes ("Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop"):
> It's been around 9 months since tasksel changed (for real) the default
> desktop for new installs. At the time of the change, it was mentioned
> the issue would be revisited before th
I enjoy the way you keep ignoring the relevant points, memory usage and
performance regressions. And the way you benchmarked gnome against gnome.
How about warsaw on xfce on the same hardware or your benchmarks pretty
much show nothing except that your 'slight performance increase when using
gnome-
Le mardi 12 août 2014 à 13:12 +0100, Anthony F McInerney a écrit :
> Virtualbox Results (no guest drivers installed)
Glxgears is not a relevant 3D benchmark.
But the funniest thing is that you did this test without any 3D
acceleration, which is not representative at all of most real-world
comput
>
> We happen at work to have users with very important needs of 3D
> resources, so one of my colleagues conducted some performance tests with
> and without a compositor (the compositor being GNOME 3).
>
> It turns out that with a recent adapter, 3D applications are running a
> small bit faster und
On 12 August 2014 09:51, Wookey wrote:
>
> Could you do MATE too please?
>
> MATE: (with mate-desktop-environment-extras)
free ^[[C total used free shared buffers cached Mem: 506756 397480 109276
7096 58820 166076 -/+ buffers/cache: 172584 334172
Swap: 392188 0 392188
The ctrl characters came wit
Le mardi 12 août 2014 à 03:03 +0100, Anthony F McInerney a écrit :
> I had stated previously XFCE had started showing memory usage similar
> to gnome. This has quite obviously changed. I was wrong, and i'm
> posting it as a correction to my statement.
You’re comparing apples and oranges. These me
+++ Anthony F McInerney [2014-08-12 00:02 +0100]:
>XFCE:
>
> total used free sharedbuffers cached
>Mem:506756 362468 144288 6568 22756 179264
>-/+ buffers/cache: 160448 346308
>Swap: 392188
+++ Kees de Jong [2014-08-12 02:03 +0200]:
>Are we really comparing RAM here as if it were the 90's? How many people
>here use Android? Today it needs 512 MB to function properly. In two years
>that could be 1 or 2 GB and that's a mobile OS. How much RAM does your
>browser use?
To
Hi,
Noel Torres:
> I think we should not care about Gnome's target audience, but about Debian's
> target audience. Remember Debian Social Contract , #4.
>
No single DE can be the perfect DE-to-end-all-DE-flames^Wdiscussions to all
users.
If the missing min+max buttons is the only problem here,
On 12 August 2014 01:03, Kees de Jong wrote:
> Are we really comparing RAM here as if it were the 90's?
>
I had stated previously XFCE had started showing memory usage similar to
gnome. This has quite obviously changed. I was wrong, and i'm posting it as
a correction to my statement.
I also just
On Monday, 11 de August de 2014 16:34:04 Matthias Urlichs escribió:
> Hi,
>
> Lennart Sorensen:
> > it needs buttons on windows that people expect to see where they expect
> > to see them
>
> You mean left vs. right side?
>
> > Would Debian be willing to make gnome3 have different defaults than
On Saturday, 9 de August de 2014 12:04:56 Axel Wagner escribió:
[...]
> I really think, in these kinds of discussions it would be helpfull to
> get some kind of direct community-feedback. This would help *both* sides
> in every of these discussions, because it would make it impossible for
> either
Are we really comparing RAM here as if it were the 90's? How many people
here use Android? Today it needs 512 MB to function properly. In two years
that could be 1 or 2 GB and that's a mobile OS. How much RAM does your
browser use? My Chrome/Firefox easily uses 1 GB. My GNOME 3.10 desktop
(running
XFCE:
total used free sharedbuffers cached
Mem:506756 362468 144288 6568 22756 179264
-/+ buffers/cache: 160448 346308
Swap: 392188 0 392188
GNOME:
total used free shared
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 10:40:04PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
[snip]
>
> Are you missing anything from the GNOME Classic mode *)? It offers
> exactly what you are asking for, with zero need for configuration.
> It's available right next to the GNOME session on your login manager.
>
> Michael
>
Am 11.08.2014 22:09, schrieb David Weinehall:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 01:47:53PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 07:42:41PM +0200, David Weinehall wrote:
>>> Available in GNOME 3.
>>>
>>> Available in GNOME 3.
>>>
>>> Not enabled by default (if I remember correctly), but
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 01:47:53PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 07:42:41PM +0200, David Weinehall wrote:
> > Available in GNOME 3.
> >
> > Available in GNOME 3.
> >
> > Not enabled by default (if I remember correctly), but possible to enable
> > using gnome-tweak-tool.
On 08/11/2014 09:45 PM, Johannes Schaffrath wrote:
On 08/11/2014 07:38 PM, David Weinehall wrote:
Summary:
* If you download you can pick the smallest option possible;
thus the default desktop is irrelevant -- people with plenty
of bandwidth will probably go with the default, but if you k
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 07:41:00PM +0100, Mirosław Baran wrote:
> Olav, would you mind to clarify in what capacity are you on this list?
> (Debian user? Debian maintainer? Debian developer? GNOME upstream
> developer?
> Systemd developer? Interested independent party? Something else
> altogether?)
On 08/11/2014 07:38 PM, David Weinehall wrote:
Summary:
* If you download you can pick the smallest option possible;
thus the default desktop is irrelevant -- people with plenty
of bandwidth will probably go with the default, but if you know
that your connectivity is expensive you'll go
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 06:12:02PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Olav Vitters (2014-08-11 11:21:14)
> > On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 11:10:50AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> >> Quite a few places in the World have poor and/or expensive internet
> >> access. Larger default desktop will hu
Olav Vitters wrote:
My response specifically deals with this. Yes, nice if Debian
Developers
could keep the response. However, there is nothing in there about "must
not be dropped without good reason". If upstream removes support, so be
it. Then it is very nice if the support is patched back in
On Lu, 11 aug 14, 19:38:47, David Weinehall wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 06:00:05PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > I do: I see a reason to netinst a 0.629xCD size desktop install rather
> > than a 0.829xCD size desktop when bandwidth is costly.
>
> Yes, but if you netinst you can *pick* y
How do you measure memory? Free?
Could you quite possibly post the output of free and whatever else you
measure with? (the full output)
For reference against jessie, i'm installing an up to date jessie right
now...
Thanks
Anthony (bofh80)
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 07:42:41PM +0200, David Weinehall wrote:
> Available in GNOME 3.
>
> Available in GNOME 3.
>
> Not enabled by default (if I remember correctly), but possible to enable
> using gnome-tweak-tool.
I shouldn't have to know that. And I am pretty sure when gnome3 appeared
in s
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 01:35:28PM -0400, Lennart Sorensen wrote:
> All I personally expect from a window manager is:
>
> Be able to launch programs (ideally using alt+F2)
Available in GNOME 3.
> Be able to resize the window using the edge of the window
Available in GNOME 3.
> Have a maximize/
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 06:00:05PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> I do: I see a reason to netinst a 0.629xCD size desktop install rather
> than a 0.829xCD size desktop when bandwidth is costly.
Yes, but if you netinst you can *pick* your desktop, it's not like you
have to pick the default. Do
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 05:34:04PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> You mean left vs. right side?
Or even showing them at all (certainly last time I bothered to look at
gnome 3 it seemed to think buttons on windows were mostly to be avoided).
> People who are so afraid of new stuff to learn that
On Mon, 2014-08-11 at 03:20 +0100, Anthony F McInerney wrote:
[...]
> If people have old CD only machines i would not like to attempt to get
> kernel 3.16 +drivers +userland working on that. I've been in that
> situation plenty of times, where woody or potato are better simply
> because the drivers
2014/08/12 1:12 "Jonas Smedegaard" :
>
> [...]
> Still you are talking about cost in time. Few I have met in developing
> countries were poor measured in time available.
> [...]
Developed country (Japan). My wife makes me scrimp on everything, so I
still have megabit/sec download. Fiber or 10 Mb/
Quoting Olav Vitters (2014-08-11 11:21:14)
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 11:10:50AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> Quite a few places in the World have poor and/or expensive internet
>> access. Larger default desktop will hurt the most in developing
>> countries: non-techies gets discourages to u
Quoting David Weinehall (2014-08-10 22:59:45)
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 11:10:50AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>>
>> The issue here really is "how big is it?" rather than "hos many disks
>> [of which kind] does it fit onto?".
>>
>> "unable to fit on a single image" is not only about use of said
Hi,
Lennart Sorensen:
> it needs buttons on windows that people expect to see where they expect
> to see them
You mean left vs. right side?
> Would Debian be willing to make gnome3 have different defaults than
> upstream in the interest of actually being useable to new users who are
> used to o
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:15:15AM +0200, Thomas Weber wrote:
> Not sure why you'd want to go for third world countries, but let's look
> at Germany (Aldi is one of the two biggest discounters here):
> http://www.presseportal.de/pm/112096/2653870/aldi-senkt-preise-fuer-fischprodukte-oel-und-smoothi
at bottom :-
On 8/11/14, Thomas Weber wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 03:20:49AM +0100, Anthony F McInerney wrote:
>> Would the people who are claiming that blank cdr are cheaper than dvdr,
>> especially in third world countries, please cite sources (shops, price
>> checkers etc) of the price of
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014, at 12:23, Anthony F McInerney wrote:
Can we now move on to choosing a DE?
Nope, we still don't have enough anecdotic evidence and
trolling yet[1]...
O.
1. Not target at you, just general observation of d-d...
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On Mon, 11 Aug, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Thomas Weber
wrote:
Not sure why you'd want to go for third world countries, but let's
look
at Germany (Aldi is one of the two biggest discounters here):
http://www.presseportal.de/pm/112096/2653870/aldi-senkt-preise-fuer-fischprodukte-oel-und-smoothies
CD
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 07:30:49PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote:
> * Olav Vitters (o...@vitters.nl) [140808 19:12]:
> > [ support for init systems bedside systemd ]
>
> > There was also a question what should happen if *upstream* removes
> > support. That's not up to Debian Developers to patch back.
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 03:20:49AM +0100, Anthony F McInerney wrote:
> Would the people who are claiming that blank cdr are cheaper than dvdr,
> especially in third world countries, please cite sources (shops, price
> checkers etc) of the price of say 5 pack or 10 pack, even up to 50pack of
> CD's,
On 2014-08-07
Jordi Mallach wrote:
> Hi Debian,
>
> It's been around 9 months since tasksel changed (for real) the default
> desktop for new installs. At the time of the change, it was mentioned
> the issue would be revisited before the freeze, around debconf time.
>
> Well, it's roughly that t
Would the people who are claiming that blank cdr are cheaper than dvdr,
especially in third world countries, please cite sources (shops, price
checkers etc) of the price of say 5 pack or 10 pack, even up to 50pack of
CD's, vs the same amount of DVD's, from those third world countries. Is the
price
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On 08/10/2014 02:39 PM, Kees de Jong wrote:
> Why are we discussing CD/DVD sizes? Why not just use an USB
> netinstall? It's then possible to download and install the stuff you
> need, if you don't want to use a lot of bandwidth then choose no
> des
El dom, 10 de ago 2014 a las 11:39 , Kees de Jong
escribió:
Why are we discussing CD/DVD sizes? Why not just use an USB
netinstall? It's then possible to download and install the stuff you
need, if you don't want to use a lot of bandwidth then choose no
desktop environment or XFCE/LXDE. But if y
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
(Having booted up a real OS, but still using Google's webmail fake MUA. heh.)
> [...]
> 2014/08/11 7:32 "Joel Rees" :
>> 2014/08/08 6:58 "Jordi Mallach" :
>>
>> [...]
>> > systemd embracing: One of the reasons to switch to Xfce was that it
>> > d
(Sure wish I could get drivers for this Acer tablet so I could get replace
the vendor-constricted Android with a real OS and get software that
wouldn't misinterpret what my fingers do on the screen. But, then, I
suppose I should go to the trouble of booting up a regular computer for
this.)
2014/08
Joel Rees writes:
> First thought: Since systemd has been chosen as the one true way of the
> future, it seems only obvious that GNOME should be the default desktop.
That doesn't seem at all obvious to me. I don't think those two things
are particularly related. Lots of people use systemd with
2014/08/08 6:58 "Jordi Mallach" :
>
> Hi Debian,
>
> It's been around 9 months since tasksel changed (for real) the default
> desktop for new installs. At the time of the change, it was mentioned
> the issue would be revisited before the freeze, around debconf time.
>
> Well, it's roughly that time
2014/08/08 18:14 "Yves-Alexis Perez" :
>
> [...]
>
> Put it another way, Xfce (and other DEs) have been hurt by the various
> enforced transitions (ConsoleKit,
> hal/devicekit-power/upower/upower-0.99), yes. Combined with the lack of
> resources, that means it lays behind the people who decided tho
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