Re: Debian 2.0

1998-05-05 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Tue, May 05, 1998 at 11:59:36AM +0200, Tobias Josefsson wrote: > I was just wondering when Debian release 2.0 is going to be released... > Does anyone know? Yes, I know. When it's ready :-) Hamish -- Hamish Moffatt, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Debian packag

Re: debian 2.0

1998-04-30 Thread Raul Miller
James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I never said it was unstable and it isn't. But we haven't used it > before and I don't care how stable it is, we should not and will not > start recompiling core applications with a previously unused (*in > Debian*) library, one month into a freeze. The de

Re: debian 2.0

1998-04-30 Thread James Troup
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Oh, foo. Integration of pam was dropped as a release goal of 2.0 > > because it is quite simply not tenable if you want to release hamm > > before 1999. You can not simply recompile core applications like > > shadow and net{base,std} with pam and "hope t

Re: debian 2.0

1998-04-30 Thread Raul Miller
James Troup <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Oh, foo. Integration of pam was dropped as a release goal of 2.0 > because it is quite simply not tenable if you want to release hamm > before 1999. You can not simply recompile core applications like > shadow and net{base,std} with pam and "hope they work",

Re: debian 2.0

1998-04-30 Thread James Troup
Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > - pam login doesn't use pam. passwd doesn't use pam. telnet doesn't use it. > > unless most programs are unseing pam, it's useless. Oh, foo. Integration of pam was dropped as a release goal of 2.0 because it is quite simply not tenable if you want

Re: debian 2.0

1998-04-30 Thread Raul Miller
Andreas Jellinghaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > from a first look at debian 2.0 i'm disappointed. ok, everything is moved to > glibc, and there are lots of new packages. but where is the enhancement ? If I recall correctly, the stated goals of this release where upgrade to glibc 2.0, and variou

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Alex Yukhimets
> Alex, this is much simpler than you think. > > I will give you a simple example: My keyboard has a key for the \~n letter > (using TeX notation) which is used in the Spanish language. > > When I press that key, I *expect* to produce such character. > Not obtaining that letter but some other is

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Alex Yukhimets wrote: > Yes, but if I sent you a message containing some russian leters you > wouldn't see them the way I see anyway. The same thing for every other > language. 8-bit clean e-mail message is not the one to send to > internati

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Richard Braakman
Adam P. Harris wrote: > "Richard" == Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: [linking shared libraries against other libraries] > > As far as I can tell, it does not save disk and memory space. > > However, I am rather new at this. Feel free to correct me. > > You are wrong. Shared librar

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Gergely Madarasz
On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Christian Schwarz wrote: > Please note, that we are not talking about `dynamically linked binaries' > (which has been implemented a long time ago) but about `shared libraries > being linked dynamically against other libraries', that is, if you, say, > build the libmysql.so sha

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Alex Yukhimets
> > You can't satisfy all users anyway. In addition, I would hate to be > > able to switch to "russian" keyboard mode (by mistake) and enter some > > letters which look just like English ones in the editor I use for > > _programming_. > > OTOH, many people'd be upset not to be able to insert comme

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Yukhimets) wrote on 09.01.98 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > Moin Alex! > > > > AY> I would like to question the need for this requirement. > > > > ??? > > Aren't you questioning my right to do that? :) No, but it hardly seems reasonable to question this requirement. > > AY>

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Adam P. Harris wrote: > > "Richard" == Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> Shared libraries are linked dynamically against other libraries > >> > >> Linking shared libraries dynamically against other libraries > >> simplifies the upgrading process and saves dis

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-10 Thread Adam P. Harris
"Richard" == Richard Braakman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Shared libraries are linked dynamically against other libraries >> >> Linking shared libraries dynamically against other libraries >> simplifies the upgrading process and saves disk and memory space. >> All shared libraries included in

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Yann Dirson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Alex Yukhimets writes: > > if something > > bad happened and you created a file(s) with some non-ascii charachters, > > "ls" will trash the console while "ls | less" will show you everything > > and let you delete it. > >?? Why

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread Yann Dirson
Alex Yukhimets writes: > if something > bad happened and you created a file(s) with some non-ascii charachters, > "ls" will trash the console while "ls | less" will show you everything > and let you delete it. ?? Why on earth do you need less for that ? Doesn't "LANG=C /bin/ls -b" do the rig

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread Santiago Vila
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Alex Yukhimets wrote: > it is nice property of "less" (as opposed to "more") that it filters > out all non-ascii charachters (changes them to some ^... printable > sequencies). As a result, it is not possible to trash the console by > doing "

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread Enrique Zanardi
On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Gergely Madarasz wrote: > On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Alex Yukhimets wrote: > > > > > it is nice property of "less" (as opposed to "more") that it filters > > out all non-ascii charachters (changes them to some ^... printable > > sequencies). As a result, it is not possible to trash

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread bhmit1
On Thu, 8 Jan 1998, Vincent Renardias wrote: > On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Just a note that the testing group would like to have an idea of how to > > test the individual packages (before we were only seeing if it would > > install). All we are asking for is a checklist (an

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread Richard Braakman
> Shared libraries are linked dynamically against other libraries > > Linking shared libraries dynamically against other libraries > simplifies the upgrading process and saves disk and memory space. > All shared libraries included in the Debian distribution will be > compiled t

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread Vincent Renardias
On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Just a note that the testing group would like to have an idea of how to > test the individual packages (before we were only seeing if it would > install). All we are asking for is a checklist (and a script if you > want), which in the most general se

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Jan 08, 1998 at 01:21:41AM +0100, Christian Schwarz wrote: > > On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Christian Schwarz wrote: > > > All applications registered to menus > It's already policy. Check out section 3.7 of policy 2.3.0.1. Could "applications" be spelt out a bit more? Clearly menu entries are onl

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread Gergely Madarasz
On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Alex Yukhimets wrote: > > it is nice property of "less" (as opposed to "more") that it filters > out all non-ascii charachters (changes them to some ^... printable > sequencies). As a result, it is not possible to trash the console by > doing "less " or, more important - if so

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread bhmit1
Attention all package maintainers: Just a note that the testing group would like to have an idea of how to test the individual packages (before we were only seeing if it would install). All we are asking for is a checklist (and a script if you want), which in the most general sense says: "this pr

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Dale Scheetz wrote: > On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Christian Schwarz wrote: > > > All applications registered to menus > > > > The menu package included in the Debian distribution stores > > information about which applications are installed on the system > > and provid

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-08 Thread Joey Hess
Dale Scheetz wrote: > This one is new to me...I have been waiting for the menu system to > stabalize. I guess this means that it has? There have been no changes to the menu package since Oct 1997. There are several open bug reports, but these will hopefully be fixed now that Joost is less busy. It

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-07 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Wed, 7 Jan 1998, Christian Schwarz wrote: > All applications registered to menus > > The menu package included in the Debian distribution stores > information about which applications are installed on the system > and provides this data for X11 window managers or text-based menu

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-07 Thread Alex Yukhimets
> > > Support of 8-bit characters by default > > > > > > Some programs need special configuration options to work 8-bit > > > clean. This is very important for a lot of non-English users who > > > need to input umlauts, accented characters, etc. All Debian > > > packages will b

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-07 Thread Martin Schulze
On Wed, Jan 07, 1998 at 06:27:48PM -0500, Alex Yukhimets wrote: > > Support of 8-bit characters by default > > > > Some programs need special configuration options to work 8-bit > > clean. This is very important for a lot of non-English users who > > need to input umlauts, accented

Re: Debian 2.0 release requirements

1998-01-07 Thread Alex Yukhimets
> Support of 8-bit characters by default > > Some programs need special configuration options to work 8-bit > clean. This is very important for a lot of non-English users who > need to input umlauts, accented characters, etc. All Debian > packages will be configured to be 8-bit

Re: debian 2.0 - any dates?

1998-01-01 Thread bruce
What's going on is that we will have an alpha-testable system by the weekend with any luck, and we can then set deadlines. Bruce -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Re: debian 2.0 - any dates?

1998-01-01 Thread Boris D. Beletsky
On 1 Jan 1998, James Troup wrote: Troup> > And if there was a deadline for me to convert my packages I Troup> > would of made it. Troup> Troup> Ah of course; it's our fault for not setting a deadline. Silly Troup> me. Listen, I am not looking for somebody to blame. I am just saying:

Re: debian 2.0 - any dates?

1998-01-01 Thread Marco Budde
Am 31.12.97 schrieb borik # isracom.net.il ... Moin "Boris! "BDB> Do we have any dates for Debian 2.0 "BDB> release/code-freze/dead-line/anything? No. "BDB> If not, shouldn't we schedule one already. What are we waiting for? Are really good question. We should hurry a litte bit. cu, Marco --

Re: debian 2.0 - any dates?

1998-01-01 Thread Martin Schulze
On Thu, Jan 01, 1998 at 05:58:30PM +, James Troup wrote: > > > Oh really? What about such inessentials and trivialities such as > > > our default MTA? > > > > Well... Please take a look at > > ftp://ftp.infodrom.north.de/pub/people/soenke/debian-beta/ and > > test the smail inside. > > Woul

Re: debian 2.0 - any dates?

1998-01-01 Thread James Troup
Martin Schulze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Oh really? What about such inessentials and trivialities such as > > our default MTA? > > Well... Please take a look at > ftp://ftp.infodrom.north.de/pub/people/soenke/debian-beta/ and > test the smail inside. Wouldn't that be better tested if it w

Re: debian 2.0 - any dates?

1998-01-01 Thread Martin Schulze
On Thu, Jan 01, 1998 at 05:10:09PM +, James Troup wrote: > Oh really? What about such inessentials and trivialities such as our > default MTA? Well... Please take a look at ftp://ftp.infodrom.north.de/pub/people/soenke/debian-beta/ and test the smail inside. > > And if there was a deadline

Re: debian 2.0 - any dates?

1998-01-01 Thread James Troup
"Boris D. Beletsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Gee, I dunno, maybe it's, at least in part, for the developers who > > still haven't upgraded their packages to libc6, despite it being > > available since April. > > It will be available in the next few days, Like Jed was going to be done "thi

Re: debian 2.0 - any dates?

1997-12-31 Thread Boris D. Beletsky
On 31 Dec 1997, James Troup wrote: Troup> "Boris D. Beletsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Troup> Troup> > If not, shouldn't we schedule one already. What are we Troup> > waiting for? Troup> Troup> Gee, I dunno, maybe it's, at least in part, for the developers Troup> who still haven

Re: debian 2.0 - any dates?

1997-12-31 Thread James Troup
"Boris D. Beletsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If not, shouldn't we schedule one already. What are we waiting for? Gee, I dunno, maybe it's, at least in part, for the developers who still haven't upgraded their packages to libc6, despite it being available since April. -- James - xinted anyo