+++ Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña [06-05-25 20:00 +0200]:
>
> That being said I (personally) already decided
...[people]
> not showing any passports or showing passports:
>
> - which did not had the *same* spelling as the name in the key (letter by
> letter)
>
> will not get a signature fr
On Wed, Jun 07, 2006 at 01:22:56AM +0100, Wookey wrote:
> I have no idea what it would take to persuade you that I am who I say I am,
> but if you _only_ accept National Passports then it would appear to be
> impossible in my case (which I realise is something of a corner-case).
I would probably n
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 12:41:52AM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
> On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 02:48:33PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > Then there's the issue of tracing who did an actual upload into the real
> > world. A name on a GPG key is not, by any means, an effective way to do
On Thu, Jun 01, 2006 at 12:41:52AM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 02:48:33PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > Then there's the issue of tracing who did an actual upload into the real
> > world. A name on a GPG key is not, by any means, a
On Mon, May 29, 2006 at 02:48:33PM +0200, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> Then there's the issue of tracing who did an actual upload into the real
> world. A name on a GPG key is not, by any means, an effective way to do
> that, since it does not contain enough information to get out the black
> helicopte
Tyler MacDonald wrote:
WTF? In Oregon, if you have a driver's license, you cannot get an ID card.
If you have an ID card, you have to surrender it to get a driver's license.
You're only legally allowed one ID.
Weird!
Not really, same rules apply in Virginia, AFAIK.
You can still
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 11:40:46PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
> (...) they *have* to provide you with a passport. Not because it is
> a requirement, but because you have the *right* to travel abroad (at
> least it is in Spain)
That's a human right, as defined by the Universal De
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 08:57:55PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
>
>> > If I were to crack a key signing party, using Bubba's travel
>> > documents, I too would swear up and down the street that he indeed
>> > correctly and diligently veri
Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña dijo [Sun, May 28, 2006 at 11:40:46PM +0200]:
> > > For me, yes, some questions asked, some delays involved, but no
> > > detailed background checks. I'm sure neither the FBI or the CIA (or,
> > > as for Mexican authorities, CISEN or PGR) were involved.
> >
> >
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Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Saturday 27 May 2006 16:12, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > Paul Johnson wrote:
> > > On Saturday 27 May 2006 14:12, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> > >> On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 01:5
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 10:37:39PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On 27 May 2006, martin f. krafft spake thusly:
> > From within the project, what matters is that everything you do
> > within the project can be attributed to one and the same person: the
> > same person that went through our NM pr
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 08:57:55PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> > If I were to crack a key signing party, using Bubba's travel
> > documents, I too would swear up and down the street that he indeed
> > correctly and diligently verified all kinds of _other_ government
> > ID's whe
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 11:57:43PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
>
>
>> The identification showed his real name and real likeness [0]. He did not
>> misrepresent any information in either obtaining the document or in
>> presenting it to those who re
On Sun, May 28, 2006 at 11:57:43PM -0400, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> The identification showed his real name and real likeness [0]. He did not
> misrepresent any information in either obtaining the document or in
> presenting it to those who requested he identify himself.
The real issue is tha
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Er, is it just me or isn't the point of gnupg that there *are* people
you *can't trust*. We wouldn't be needing digital signatures if
everybody honoured the 'gentleman's agreement' that we should only
sign as ourselves (or at most as a pseudonym that
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Any act of deception, meant to exploit the weaknesses of the
> system rather than participating in a key signing in good faith is
> likely to have had this effect, yes.
That's true. What about Martin's actions, as they have been reported,
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On 27 May 2006, martin f. krafft spake thusly:
>
>
>>Dear Manoj, dear fellow DDs,
>>
>>I guess I could have known that this experiment of mine would turn
>>into a huge thread, unfortunately extending across two mailing
>>lists. Thus, it is surely in order for me to apolo
On 27 May 2006, martin f. krafft spake thusly:
> Dear Manoj, dear fellow DDs,
>
> I guess I could have known that this experiment of mine would turn
> into a huge thread, unfortunately extending across two mailing
> lists. Thus, it is surely in order for me to apologise for being the
> cause that
Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> This has opened a can of worms; because your transnational ID was as
> official as it could get. Most of us do not know what other countries
> consider to be official, and it's more of an intent and goodwill
> rather than scientific or legally binding o
Junichi Uekawa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This has opened a can of worms; because your transnational ID was as
> official as it could get. Most of us do not know what other countries
> consider to be official, and it's more of an intent and goodwill
> rather than scientific or legally binding of
Hi,
> First of all, my name is Martin Felix Krafft (with a final 't'), and
> my GPG key ID is 0x330c4a75. The unofficial ID I presented listed
> that name (without the middle name), a photo is available from [1]
> (sorry, can't do better now). Thus, the ID card is an unofficial
> card, but the ide
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 04:47:20PM -0500, martin f krafft wrote:
> Dear Manoj, dear fellow DDs,
Hi, I'm just going to address the question you made that was directed to me.
> also sprach Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> [2006.05.25.1300 -0500]:
> > FWIW, I noted down those ke
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 01:55:44PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On 27 May 2006, Gunnar Wolf verbalised:
> > For me, yes, some questions asked, some delays involved, but no
> > detailed background checks. I'm sure neither the FBI or the CIA (or,
> > as for Mexican authorities, CISEN or PGR) were
Quoting Andreas Barth ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> I know that Peter Palfrader (weasel) submits sometimes a clear fake key
> to KSPs and looks for people signing it. (No, there is nobody there who
> claims to be that person. Only the key on the list.)
For future reference, I personnally dislike people
This one time, at band camp, Paul Johnson said:
> On Saturday 27 May 2006 16:49, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> > Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > The vote at champoeg was when the Oregon Territory voted to become
> > > Canadian. We're on the south side of the border exclusively due to
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 04:47:20PM -0500, martin f krafft wrote:
> The Debian project heavily relies on keysigning for much of its
> work. However, I think the question what the signing of a key
> actually accomplishes has not been properly addressed. In my
> opinion, from the point of view of the
On Saturday 27 May 2006 16:49, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > The vote at champoeg was when the Oregon Territory voted to become
> > Canadian. We're on the south side of the border exclusively due to
> > the threat of military force when the US couldn't h
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Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Saturday 27 May 2006 15:28, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> Paul Johnson wrote:
>>> On Friday 26 May 2006 15:27, Ron Johnson wrote:
Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> Given time,
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Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 03:41:58PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
>> On Saturday 27 May 2006 14:12, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
>>> On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 01:54:03PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
>> Oregon abolished the voting boo
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Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Saturday 27 May 2006 16:12, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> Paul Johnson wrote:
>>> On Saturday 27 May 2006 14:12, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 01:54:03PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
>>> Oregon abolished th
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> The vote at champoeg was when the Oregon Territory voted to become
> Canadian. We're on the south side of the border exclusively due to
> the threat of military force when the US couldn't handle the fact
> that we don't want them here the first time arou
On Saturday 27 May 2006 16:12, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Saturday 27 May 2006 14:12, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> >> On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 01:54:03PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Oregon abolished the voting booth in 2000
>
> Oh, so they get better counts and
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 03:41:58PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Saturday 27 May 2006 14:12, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> > On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 01:54:03PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > >>> Oregon abolished the voting booth in 2000
> > >> Oh, so they get better counts and less fraud by doin
On Saturday 27 May 2006 15:32, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Friday 26 May 2006 18:34, Russ Allbery wrote:
> >> Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>> On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I r
On Saturday 27 May 2006 15:28, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Friday 26 May 2006 15:27, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >> Paul Johnson wrote:
> >>> On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I require at
> least
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Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Saturday 27 May 2006 14:12, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
>> On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 01:54:03PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Oregon abolished the voting booth in 2000
Oh, so they get better counts and less fraud by doing
On Saturday 27 May 2006 14:12, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 01:54:03PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> >>> Oregon abolished the voting booth in 2000
> >>
> >> Oh, so they get better counts and less fraud by doing away with ballot
> >> secrecy. How wonderful.
> >
> > No, that's
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Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Friday 26 May 2006 18:34, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>> On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I require at
>>>
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Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Friday 26 May 2006 15:27, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> Paul Johnson wrote:
>>> On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I require at
least two photo ID's
And, to the people who have trouble distinguishing between
paying for a passport and purchasing an ID, while I have had to pay
for all my official identity documents, merely paying would not have
got me one -- there were background checks,
There were none at all in my case, as outline
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 10:19:57AM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I would be more inclined to do that to the people who signed his key
> > based on the Transnational Republic ID.
> So, who are those people? Is Manoj one of them?
It seems that
Dear Manoj, dear fellow DDs,
I guess I could have known that this experiment of mine would turn
into a huge thread, unfortunately extending across two mailing
lists. Thus, it is surely in order for me to apologise for being the
cause that your inboxes filled up.
I have said most of what I wanted
On Saturday 27 May 2006 10:19, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > I would be more inclined to do that to the people who signed his key
> > based on the Transnational Republic ID.
>
> So, who are those people? Is Manoj one of them?
Martin has yet to name name
On Saturday 27 May 2006 13:41, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > On Friday 26 May 2006 18:34, Russ Allbery wrote:
> >> You can get a passport.
> >
> > Yeah, if I really want to give a country I don't really have much of any
> > allegence to, and consider foreign, my
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 01:54:03PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
>>> Oregon abolished the voting booth in 2000
>> Oh, so they get better counts and less fraud by doing away with ballot
>> secrecy. How wonderful.
> No, that's not how it works, your ballot is still secret. Think about it for
> a minut
On Saturday 27 May 2006 06:17, Jacob S wrote:
> > Oregon abolished the voting booth in 2000: "Election Day" is
> > actually the last election day of six consecutive weeks we can vote
> > (beat that and your wussy six hours, America!), and we vote at home.
> > You have your option of mailing or ha
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Friday 26 May 2006 18:34, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> You can get a passport.
> Yeah, if I really want to give a country I don't really have much of any
> allegence to, and consider foreign, my money and wait around for a few
> months. I'm Oregonian, no
On 27 May 2006, Gunnar Wolf verbalised:
> Manoj Srivastava dijo [Sat, May 27, 2006 at 09:38:00AM -0500]:
>> Only if we take the word of someone who was trying to subvert the
>> keysigning to belavour the obvious that it is easy to get people to
>> sign using purchased ID's. How do you know the cla
Manoj Srivastava dijo [Sat, May 27, 2006 at 09:38:00AM -0500]:
> Only if we take the word of someone who was trying to subvert
> the keysigning to belavour the obvious that it is easy to get people
> to sign using purchased ID's. How do you know the claim about the
> check was not anothe
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 04:54:19PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
> On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 05:45:42PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
>> On Thursday 25 May 2006 15:26, Mike Hommey wrote:
>>> I'm pretty sure we can find official IDs that look so lame that you'd think
>>> it's a fake
> Al
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I would be more inclined to do that to the people who signed his key
> based on the Transnational Republic ID.
So, who are those people? Is Manoj one of them?
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Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> What do you think we get by having the signed ID? What advantages
>> accrue to Debian by having this check that someone's real name is what
>> we think it is?
>
>> I think it's a good thing, I agree with our practice, but I'm not sure
>> what vast sec
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 04:04:33PM +0200, Moritz Muehlenhoff wrote:
> > That being said I (personally) already decided not to sign people that
> > showed
> > me something that was *not* a passport and noted that in my KSP paper page
> > through it. Unfortunately, I'm not confindent in my ability t
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 05:20:59PM -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
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>
> Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
> > On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 05:45:42PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> >> On Thursday 25 May 2006 15:26, Mike Hommey wrote:
> [snip]
> > [0] As long
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 03:09:04PM +0200, Filippo Giunchedi wrote:
> On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 08:00:23PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña
> wrote:
> > FWIW, I noted down those keys I would *not* sign and didn't tell the people
> > at the KSP that I would not sign them. I guess his experiment "
On 26 May 2006, Christian Pernegger told this:
>> Stop signing keys for Debian developers, since purchased ID's are
> acceptable in this community? ;)
>
> There's a difference between 'purchase' and 'pay for' in this
> context. I have always had to pay for any kind of ID card, be it
> passport, c
Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
> On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 05:30:23PM +0200, Luca Capello wrote:
> > FYI, Martin's explanation is at [1], which passed on Planet Debian.
> >
> > Thx, bye,
> > Gismo / Luca
> >
> > [1] http://blog.madduck.net/geek/2006.05.24-tr-id-at-keysigning
>
> FWIW, I not
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On Fri, 26 May 2006 16:24:27 -0700
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Friday 26 May 2006 15:20, Ron Johnson wrote:
> > Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 05:45:42PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > >> On Thursd
On Saturday 27 May 2006 00:38, Daniel Stone wrote:
> But what does it matter? Can you spot a fake Victorian drivers'
> licence? Fake German ID card? Do you know the distinguishing marks
> that differentiate a real Australian passport from fakes?
No, but I also won't sign keys of someone with a
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 04:18:15PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Friday 26 May 2006 00:50, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Le jeudi 25 mai 2006 à 02:36 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
> > > It has come to my attention that Martin Kraff used an
> > > unofficial, and easily forge-able, ident
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 03:45:24PM -0700, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote:
> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> What would you suggest instead?
> > Stop signing keys for Debian developers, since purchased ID's
> > are acceptable in this community? ;) At this point, I am not sure
On Friday 26 May 2006 18:34, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >> Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I require at
> >> least two photo ID's issued by the government).
> >
> > WTF? In Ore
Paul Johnson dijo [Fri, May 26, 2006 at 08:06:40AM -0700]:
> On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I require at least
> > two photo ID's issued by the government).
>
> WTF? In Oregon, if you have a driver's license, yo
On Friday 26 May 2006 15:27, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >> Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I require at
> >> least two photo ID's issued by the government).
> >
> > WTF? In Oregon, if you have a dri
On Friday 26 May 2006 15:20, Ron Johnson wrote:
> Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
> > On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 05:45:42PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> >> On Thursday 25 May 2006 15:26, Mike Hommey wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > [0] As long as he doesn't go and vote too, since the people in the voting
On Friday 26 May 2006 00:50, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le jeudi 25 mai 2006 à 02:36 -0500, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
> > It has come to my attention that Martin Kraff used an
> > unofficial, and easily forge-able, identity device at a large key
> > signing party recently.
>
> FWIW, I'm p
On Friday 26 May 2006 00:29, Florian Weimer wrote:
> * Manoj Srivastava:
> > I will not be signing his keys, ever, based on this action of
> > what I consider to be bad faith. Based on discussion with other
> > people who seem to find this action amusing, but not unacceptable, I
> > fin
> Stop signing keys for Debian developers, since purchased ID's are
acceptable in this community? ;)
There's a difference between 'purchase' and 'pay for' in this context. I
have always had to pay for any kind of ID card, be it passport,
citizen's ID or student ID. You make it sound like he bo
Please use reply-to-list instead of reply-to-all, I do read debian-devel.
On Friday 26 May 2006 14:01, Tyler MacDonald wrote:
> Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > > Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I requir
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Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I require at least
>> two photo ID's issued by the government).
>
> WTF? In Oregon, if you have a driver's licen
I demand that Goswin von Brederlow may or may not have written...
> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Actually, passports are not really an answer (I have no idea what the
>> passport of cameroon looke like, for example). Given time, one can pay
>> more attention to each document (I
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On Fri, 26 May 2006 08:06:40 -0700
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I require
> > at least two photo ID's issued by the govern
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I require at least
> > two photo ID's issued by the government).
>
> WTF? In Oregon, if you have a driver's license, you cannot get an ID
Penny Leach wrote:
>Penny is clearly short for Penelope.
No, it is not _clear_. I don't have to know what are the short names
for almost any name around. I'm also confused with names in German
(correct me if wrong, please) containing, for example 'ö' and being
displayed as 'oe', or some of the
On Sat, May 27, 2006 at 07:15:53AM +1200, Penny Leach wrote:
> On 5/26/06, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> While you're obviously free to set your own standards as to whose keys
> >you sign and not, I have come to the conclusion that the "exact same
> >spelling" requirement doesn't ma
Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I require at
>> least two photo ID's issued by the government).
> WTF? In Oregon, if you have a driver's license, you cannot get an ID
> c
On 5/27/06, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Only if you are reasonably well acquinted with the English language andusual english names and nicknames.This is true. One of the people at Debconf 5 I was thinking of, whose name I absolutely have no idea of anymore, was either a n
[EMAIL PROTECTED] dijo [Fri, May 26, 2006 at 10:34:50AM -0500]:
> > know who Martin Krafft is; I've seen him at a number of FOSDEM
> > instances, and I've seen him last year in Helsinki, where I called
> > him by his name (to which he reacted), and where literally hundreds
> > of others did the sam
On Sat, 27 May 2006, Penny Leach wrote:
> struck me as a little bit silly. Penny is clearly short for Penelope.
Only if you are reasonably well acquinted with the English language and
usual english names and nicknames.
> Perhaps this was my bad when I made the key & displayed a lack of foresight.
On 26 May 2006, Matt Zagrabelny spake thusly:
> On Thu, 2006-05-25 at 16:16 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> Cracking is not a scientific study.
>
> cracking may not be, but determining the average number of people
> who spot an unofficial id could be construed to be.
I can honestly stat
On Friday 26 May 2006 07:06, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On 25 May 2006, Thomas Bushnell told this:
> > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> Based on this, I strongly suggest that mere signatures on a new
> >> maintainers key from a DD be also not enough, since people have now
> >> effec
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> What would you suggest instead?
>
> Stop signing keys for Debian developers, since purchased ID's
> are acceptable in this community? ;) At this point, I am not sure what
> my stance is going to be.
What do you think we get by having the s
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Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
> On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 05:45:42PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
>> On Thursday 25 May 2006 15:26, Mike Hommey wrote:
[snip]
> [0] As long as he doesn't go and vote too, since the people in the voting
> table
> wou
On 26 May 2006, Thiemo Seufer outgrape:
> Keysigning isn't for judging behaviour but for confirming identity.
> * Michael Meskes:
>
>> This may be a silly question but doesn't my signature only state
>> that I certify this key really belongs to the person it seems to
>> belong to?
>
> Exactly. It
On 26 May 2006, Wouter Verhelst told this:
> On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 11:57:09AM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote:
>> This may be a silly question but doesn't my signature only state
>> that I certify this key really belongs to the person it seems to
>> belong to?
>
> That aside, personally, I don't kno
* Michael Meskes:
> This may be a silly question but doesn't my signature only state that I
> certify this key really belongs to the person it seems to belong to?
Exactly. It does not tell us anything about your views regarding that
person or the purpose of the key itself.
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On Thursday 25 May 2006 08:30, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Given time, one can pay more attention to each document (I require at least
> two photo ID's issued by the government).
WTF? In Oregon, if you have a driver's license, you cannot get an ID card.
If you have an ID card, you have to surren
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 11:57:09AM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote:
> On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 04:30:07PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > On 25 May 2006, Andreas Tille spake thusly:
> > > Is there any reason to revoke my signature I have put on
> > > Martin's key after he showed me his passport?
> >
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 09:52:48AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
>
> >and not showing any passports or showing passports:
>
> [...]
>
> >- which did not had the *same* spelling as the name in the key (letter by
> > letter)
> >
> >will not get a signature
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 05:45:42PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Thursday 25 May 2006 15:26, Mike Hommey wrote:
> >
> > I'm pretty sure we can find official IDs that look so lame that you'd think
> > it's a fake (the old french ones could be good example, and i know people
> > who still use that
On 25 May 2006, Thomas Bushnell told this:
> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> It has come to my attention that Martin Kraff used an unofficial,
>> and easily forge-able, identity device at a large key signing party
>> recently. This was apparently to belabour the obvious point th
On 26 May 2006, Florian Weimer outgrape:
> * Manoj Srivastava:
>
>> I will not be signing his keys, ever, based on this action of what
>> I consider to be bad faith. Based on discussion with other people
>> who seem to find this action amusing, but not unacceptable, I find
>> that my decision to
On 5/26/06, Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
While you're obviously free to set your own standards as to whose keysyou sign and not, I have come to the conclusion that the "exact samespelling" requirement doesn't make that much sense. As an example, take
Bdale whose real name isn't Bdale
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 08:00:23PM +0200, Javier Fernández-Sanguino Peña wrote:
> FWIW, I noted down those keys I would *not* sign and didn't tell the people
> at the KSP that I would not sign them. I guess his experiment "only one in
> ten said that they would *not* sign it" is moot unless he back
On Fri, May 26, 2006 at 11:06:31AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On 26 May 2006, Thiemo Seufer outgrape:
>
> > Keysigning isn't for judging behaviour but for confirming identity.
> > * Michael Meskes:
> >
> >> This may be a silly question but doesn't my signature only state
> >> that I certify
Travis Crump <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Who actually has two forms of government issued picture ID[not counting
> a passport which I never take anywhere unless I really need to since it
> is really bad to lose it and doesn't fit in a wallet, not to mention my
> passport photo isn't a very good
On Thu, 2006-05-25 at 16:16 -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On 25 May 2006, Stephen Frost spake thusly:
>
> > * Manoj Srivastava ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >> On 25 May 2006, Stephen Frost spake thusly:
> >>> I wasn't making any claim as to the general validity of IDs which
> >>> are purchased
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 10:11:55PM -0400, Travis Crump wrote:
> Who actually has two forms of government issued picture ID[not counting
> a passport which I never take anywhere unless I really need to since it
> is really bad to lose it and doesn't fit in a wallet, not to mention my
> passport phot
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On 25 May 2006, Andreas Tille spake thusly:
>
> > On Thu, 25 May 2006, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >
> >> It has come to my attention that Martin Kraff used an
> >> unofficial, and easily forge-able, identity device at a large key
> >
> > Is there any reason to revoke my si
On Thu, May 25, 2006 at 04:30:07PM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On 25 May 2006, Andreas Tille spake thusly:
> > Is there any reason to revoke my signature I have put on
> > Martin's key after he showed me his passport?
>
> In my opinion, yes, if you consider subverting the KSP like
>
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