On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 10:47:38AM +, Sune Vuorela wrote:
> On 2007-03-27, Roberto C Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > In fact, yes. More so, even. The higher the bug count the *greater*
> > the reward for triaging everything properly. It helps to prevent
> > getting mired in a sea of
On 2007-03-27, Roberto C Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In fact, yes. More so, even. The higher the bug count the *greater*
> the reward for triaging everything properly. It helps to prevent
> getting mired in a sea of bugs.
We still miss around 600 bugs in our backlog:
http://users.alio
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 08:12:07AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 09:38:24PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL
> PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > People should be given assistance and encouragement in
> > > doing it. I actually like doing it, but I have unfortunately relatively
> > >
On Tue, Mar 27, 2007, Mike Hommey wrote:
> > I like doing bug triage as well. I guess it is because I am a neat
> > freak and anal about organization.
>
> Would you still like it if the bug count for one package would number in
> hundreds ?
It's easy to have a huge backlog. I believe a more
On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 09:38:24PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > People should be given assistance and encouragement in
> > doing it. I actually like doing it, but I have unfortunately relatively
> > little time (sick family members).
> >
> I like doing bug triage as w
Roberto C. Sánchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Out of curiousity, what is the algorithm for determining whether a patch
>has been reviewed? If it is not an algorithm, per se, then what is the
>heuristic?
If the maintainer has sent a message to the bug trail mentioning the patch
sometime after th
On Mon, Mar 26, 2007 at 09:12:32PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote:
>
>
> If a package has a bug with a *patch* attached, where the *patch* has not
> been reviewed on by the maintainer(s) within six months, the package will
> be orphaned immediately; the maintainer will not be allowed to adopt
I've been reading the discussion and trying to thresh something out of it.
Four points and one proposal.
Point 1.
---
Contrary to some assumptions, answering "I got your bug report but I can't deal
with it right now" is *very* useful, particularly in encouraging people to help.
I've reported
Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I see no harm in addressing the issue in multiple ways. I have no
> problem with a FLOSS project 'asking' for help in an ad. I dont like ads
> for most other things. People take multiple paths to find stuff. Instead
> of assuming that 'if I found it, then e
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 03:43:39PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> It will likely be one of my last post on that matter because I feel
> that valuable contributors left it long ago.
Would it be useful to personally email those people and 'ask them why' as
a way to address the issue?
>
> You
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 09:12:52AM -0500, Matthias Julius wrote:
> Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > message to its intended target is a hard thing. How about having 'text
> > ads' on the pages of the Debian site that showcase a 'request for help'
> > or similar?
>
> I don't like ads.
On Thursday 08 March 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> It will likely be one of my last post on that matter because I feel
> that valuable contributors left it long ago.
gee, thanks for the (probably unintented as the above statement includes
yourself) implied insult
> You're (not you Matthias, Y
Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> ] ] > > Again, I do not appreciate the latent criticism of the big teams
> ] ] > > to
> ] ] > > hide their understaff problem. It's blatantly bogus hence iritating,
> ] ] > > almost insulting.
> ] ] >
> ] ] > Don't you wonder why it is perceived li
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 09:12:52AM -0500, Matthias Julius wrote:
> Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > message to its intended target is a hard thing. How about having 'text
> > ads' on the pages of the Debian site that showcase a 'request for help'
> > or similar?
>
> I don't like ads.
Kevin Mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> message to its intended target is a hard thing. How about having 'text
> ads' on the pages of the Debian site that showcase a 'request for help'
> or similar?
I don't like ads. Ads are annoying. That doesn't mean they don't
work. If I need some informat
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 06:50:15PM -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 12:37:39AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
snip
> > I'm tired giving the link again and again, ON THE KDE USER LIST where
> > it's the most probable place to find users caring about KDE rignt ? I
snip
> > it gave
Roland Mas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Matthias Julius, 2007-03-07 11:32:32 -0500 :
>
>> It's a matter of how someone arrives at the point where he wants to
>> help. If he wakes up one morning and thinks "I want to help the KDE
>> team" he will probably contact the KDE maintainers. If he think
On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 12:37:39AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 03:28:45PM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
> > So maybe asking for help on debian-kde, where there's people around who
> > might be convinced to pitch in a little time and effort once or twice would
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 03:28:45PM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
> So maybe asking for help on debian-kde, where there's people around who
> might be convinced to pitch in a little time and effort once or twice would
> be more productive. I'm thinking something along the lines of:
y
Matthias Julius, 2007-03-07 11:32:32 -0500 :
> It's a matter of how someone arrives at the point where he wants to
> help. If he wakes up one morning and thinks "I want to help the KDE
> team" he will probably contact the KDE maintainers. If he thinks
> "Since 3 years I am using Debian it's time
Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 12:49:56PM -0500, Matthias Julius wrote:
>> Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> Do you expect potential helpers to search various list archives or
>> mail maintainers to ask whether they need help? I would guess o
"cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> So maybe asking for help on debian-kde, where there's people around
> who might be convinced to pitch in a little time and effort once or
> twice would be more productive. I'm thinking something along the
> lines of:
This might hav
On Wednesday 07 March 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 12:49:56PM -0500, Matthias Julius wrote:
> > Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > Like every packaging team in debian, mailing the [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > or [EMAIL PROTECTED] depending on how old the team i
On Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 10:47:09PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 02:19:17PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit a écrit :
>
> > The mail you are answering to was against forums, not really against
> > the BTS btw.
>
> Bonsoir Pierre,
>
> I have lurked a bit on the ubuntu forums,
Le Wed, Mar 07, 2007 at 02:19:17PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit a écrit :
> The mail you are answering to was against forums, not really against
> the BTS btw.
Bonsoir Pierre,
I have lurked a bit on the ubuntu forums, and found "intersting"
threads. For instance, some persons wrote about doing a s
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 11:39:16AM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Mar 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > And if your point is that the current BTS UI sucks, then well, yes I
> > believe it, and it seems one of our DPL candidates thinks the same
>
> As I've indicated to the DPL candidate wh
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 12:49:56PM -0500, Matthias Julius wrote:
> Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Like every packaging team in debian, mailing the [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] depending on how old the team is. Usually that list
> > is in the Maintainer or Uploaders
On Tue, 06 Mar 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> And if your point is that the current BTS UI sucks, then well, yes I
> believe it, and it seems one of our DPL candidates thinks the same
As I've indicated to the DPL candidate who has mentioned this, and
I'll say again:
If there are specific things a
Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 05:35:43PM +, Jon Dowland wrote:
>
> wow, I'm really amazed. For the KDE and Gnome teams (and I'm sure
> others did it as well) there was mails requesting help to triage bugs
> and so on (from january 2006). Reading this t
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 09:06:42AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> So to generalise, it seems that there is the choice between seeing
> repetitive work done imperfectly by beginners, or never done by
> experienced people who are busy doing something else. Definitely the way
> the contributors are su
Le Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 07:48:01PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit a écrit :
>
> Like every packaging team in debian, mailing the [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] depending on how old the team is. Usually that list
> is in the Maintainer or Uploaders field of the control file.
> #debian-$team is
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 05:35:43PM +, Jon Dowland wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:07:33PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
> > Now, the iceape case is interesting: *you* (as in, the one
> > complaining about rotting bugs) are also allowed to help
> > the maintainers instead of whining.
>
> One ve
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007, Jon Dowland wrote:
> I think that there is an untapped pool of people who could
> help a lot with the triage work, but the question is, where
> do they start? How do they know that they are welcome to
> start responding to a given packages bugs with some kind of
> analysis?
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:07:33PM +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
> Now, the iceape case is interesting: *you* (as in, the one
> complaining about rotting bugs) are also allowed to help
> the maintainers instead of whining.
One very positive thing from this thread is the number of
packages / teams that
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 10:57:46AM +0100, Pierre Habouzit
wrote:
> And I think the list can grow larger just by looking at
> the reality, and not dreaming stupid ideas and trying to
> defend them.
snip
> Just _look_ at that: [0]. I mean _look_, not pretend to.
> Instead of answering to th
On Sun, Feb 25, 2007 at 07:27:29PM -0500, David Nusinow
wrote:
> Simply replying to a bug won't get it fixed any sooner or
> decrease the impact it has on the user. In addition, it
> distracts us from doing what is potentially far more
> productive work.
Writing a mail to a bug along the lines of
On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 11:26:51 -0500, Roberto C Sanchez
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 10:16:17AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>>
>> Volunteers volunteer because of non-monetary rewards they gain from
>> contributing.
I should have known better to not guard against
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 11:50:56AM -0500, David Nusinow wrote:
>
> If you're volunteering on a project and someone with more time does all the
> work that involves learning, you don't end up learning much because you
> don't end up solving much.
>
> On the other hand, if your job involves so much
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 11:26:51AM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 10:16:17AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> >
> > Volunteers volunteer because of non-monetary rewards they gain
> > from contributing.
>
> Really? I volunteer (in addition to the altruistic re
On Saturday 03 March 2007, Theodore Tso wrote:
> So I understand where people are coming from when they say that they
> want Debian to remain 100% fully volunteer. But first of all, that
> isn't even true even now; HP is funding some DD's to work mostly on
> Debian-related projects, and certainly
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 10:16:17AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>
> Volunteers volunteer because of non-monetary rewards they gain
> from contributing.
Really? I volunteer (in addition to the altruistic reasons) because I
want to learn more about Linux and Debian, which makes me a bet
On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 10:45:47 -0500, Theodore Tso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> The principle you stated obviously tends to be the case in volunteer
> organizations, true. It does not have to be the case of a paid
> employee, but yes, even if the maintainer team sets the general
> policy and gives d
Le samedi 03 mars 2007 à 10:45 -0500, Theodore Tso a écrit :
> Well, Josselin has been very negative about the whole concept of
> paying volunteers, and given that he was asking for help, and saying
> that his GNOME team was drowning under bug reports, I couldn't help
> but reply that if he really
On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 06:57:01PM +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> You forgot a single damn point: in debian, like in many projects, the
> one that "do" things is often the guy that "decide" things because he's
> the one there. If you put people that work 5 times more as me because
> they have th
On Sat, Mar 03, 2007 at 09:03:40PM +1100, Robert Collins wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 18:57 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > but I would
> > obviously lessen my implication and work for other teams where I've a
> > single damn chance to see my contribution to be compareable to the
> > others.
>
On Fri, 2007-03-02 at 18:57 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> but I would
> obviously lessen my implication and work for other teams where I've a
> single damn chance to see my contribution to be compareable to the
> others.
Better a big fish in a small pond than a small fish in a big pond huh?
So
On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 08:37:01AM -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 10:30:39AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Le mardi 27 février 2007 à 09:24 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
> > > And how do you help a maintainer that does not admit that he needs help?
> >
> > I can't believ
Le vendredi 02 mars 2007 à 08:37 -0500, Theodore Tso a écrit :
> So how do you help a maintainer who refuses help if it is paid?
Hahaha, awesome. You don't miss any occasion, do you?
Thanks, you really made my day.
--
.''`.
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On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 10:30:39AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mardi 27 février 2007 à 09:24 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
> > And how do you help a maintainer that does not admit that he needs help?
>
> I can't believe people are thinking such crap.
>
> Please show me where a current mai
#include
* Josselin Mouette [Thu, Mar 01 2007, 02:46:02PM]:
> Le jeudi 01 mars 2007 à 14:33 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
> > > I'm not the one who said maintainers don't admit they need help.
> >
> > And I am not the one who said that Mozilla/KDE/GNOME have enough
> > manpower.
>
> Who said th
On Thursday 01 March 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 03:20:24PM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
wrote:
> > On Thursday 01 March 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > > Le jeudi 01 mars 2007 à 14:33 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
> > > > > I'm not the one who said maintainers do
Le jeudi 01 mars 2007 à 09:22 -0500, Greg Folkert a écrit :
> Lets all start the "Pile-On Joss" thing again and watch him explode.
Still talking to yourself?
> Hi Joss! How are you doing? Hope you are well!
Fine, I like clowns so much.
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On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 03:20:24PM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
> On Thursday 01 March 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Le jeudi 01 mars 2007 à 14:33 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
> > > > I'm not the one who said maintainers don't admit they need help.
> > >
> > > And I am not the one
On Thu, 2007-03-01 at 14:46 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le jeudi 01 mars 2007 à 14:33 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
> > > I'm not the one who said maintainers don't admit they need help.
> >
> > And I am not the one who said that Mozilla/KDE/GNOME have enough
> > manpower.
>
> Who said that
On Thursday 01 March 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le jeudi 01 mars 2007 à 14:33 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
> > > I'm not the one who said maintainers don't admit they need help.
> >
> > And I am not the one who said that Mozilla/KDE/GNOME have enough
> > manpower.
>
> Who said that?
>
> > Don
#include
* Mike Hommey [Wed, Feb 28 2007, 07:52:44PM]:
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 07:26:24PM +0100, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL
> PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Le mercredi 28 février 2007 à 18:00 +0100, Sam Hocevar a écrit :
> > > On Wed, Feb 28, 2007, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > > > But it seems like you maint
#include
* Josselin Mouette [Wed, Feb 28 2007, 09:08:42AM]:
> Le mercredi 28 février 2007 à 02:02 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
> > #include
> > * Josselin Mouette [Tue, Feb 27 2007, 10:30:39AM]:
> > > Le mardi 27 février 2007 à 09:24 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
> > > > And how do you help a ma
Le jeudi 01 mars 2007 à 14:33 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
> > I'm not the one who said maintainers don't admit they need help.
>
> And I am not the one who said that Mozilla/KDE/GNOME have enough
> manpower.
Who said that?
> Don't put words into my mouth.
How about these words:
And h
On Wednesday 28 February 2007 01:19, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> In all fairness, you didn't seem to comment on his response to your
> suggestion.
I did comment on his suggestion.
"Yes, it should start before NFS because its not just mounting a file system
like NFS. It needs to make the block device
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 07:26:24PM +0100, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Le mercredi 28 février 2007 à 18:00 +0100, Sam Hocevar a écrit :
> > On Wed, Feb 28, 2007, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > > But it seems like you maintain only few simple packages.
> >
> >Did you really just say
Le mercredi 28 février 2007 à 18:00 +0100, Sam Hocevar a écrit :
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2007, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > But it seems like you maintain only few simple packages.
>
>Did you really just say that to Loïc Minier?
Hey, that's true. He maintains many complicated packages, but only few
simp
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> But it seems like you maintain only few simple packages.
Did you really just say that to Loïc Minier?
Amazed,
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On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 08:10:08 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
>
> The other half of the problem that noone has talked about here yet, is
> that the users are as responsive as the maintainers, i.e. pretty badly.
>
> Why do we have rotting unclosed bugs concerning old fixed issues ?
> Why don't most user
#include
* Loïc Minier [Tue, Feb 27 2007, 06:51:05PM]:
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2007, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > > I already warned you about this privately in december; here's another
> > "Warn"? You feel the need to warn me? Does bringing me to STFU make you
> > happy or so?
>
> No; I warned you not to
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 03:41:57PM -0700, Warren Turkal wrote:
> This is from the perspective of a non-DD systems administrator. While most
> maintainers are good. Some are pretty lousy with regard to addressing issue
> even when one is proactive about finding a solution.
>
> On Monday 26 Februa
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 09:51:13PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote:
> maintainers not always responsing to bugs, then probably the simplest
> thing to do would be to code up a view in the BTS that lists bugs that
> have not had a maintainer response (filtering out responses that appear
> to be from the bug
Le mercredi 28 février 2007 à 02:02 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
> #include
> * Josselin Mouette [Tue, Feb 27 2007, 10:30:39AM]:
> > Le mardi 27 février 2007 à 09:24 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
> > > And how do you help a maintainer that does not admit that he needs help?
> >
> > I can't belie
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> #include
> * Don Armstrong [Mon, Feb 26 2007, 01:55:42PM]:
> > I'm open to suggestions of real solutions to this problem,
> > (indeed, I continue to suggest that interested people jump in and
> > help out) but technical hurdles for maintainers to overcom
#include
* Josselin Mouette [Tue, Feb 27 2007, 10:30:39AM]:
> Le mardi 27 février 2007 à 09:24 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
> > And how do you help a maintainer that does not admit that he needs help?
>
> I can't believe people are thinking such crap.
>
> Please show me where a current maintain
Vincent Bernat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Russ Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> disait:
>> Maintaining packages should be fun and rewarding too. Punishing people
>> for not doing something that we think is important has its place, but
>> only sparingly.
> Reporting bug should be fun too. Not get
OoO En cette nuit nuageuse du mardi 27 février 2007, vers 01:04, Russ
Allbery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> disait:
> Maintaining packages should be fun and rewarding too. Punishing people
> for not doing something that we think is important has its place, but only
> sparingly.
Reporting bug should be f
Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
> > people are more likely to help you fix a problem if they are
> > directly affected by it (cause people tend to scratch their own
> > itches).
>
> That's the theory. My experience for KDE bugs, is that something
> l
#include
* Loïc Minier [Mon, Feb 26 2007, 01:32:50PM]:
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2007, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > A good example already comes to my mind where the maintainer
> > is doing uploads but only for bugs that have RC priority or important
> > and are easy to fix. Not matching this criteri
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > I already warned you about this privately in december; here's another
> "Warn"? You feel the need to warn me? Does bringing me to STFU make you
> happy or so?
No; I warned you not to put everybody in the same bag in the same
pointless discussion tha
* Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-02-26 21:51:13 -0500]:
> If someone would actually like to do something about the problem of
> maintainers not always responsing to bugs, then probably the simplest
> thing to do would be to code up a view in the BTS that lists bugs that
> have not had a maint
Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> If I receive automatic notification from the BTS that the maintainer
> has attached a "confirmed" tag to the bug, that is plenty of
> acknowledgement.
or "pending", "upstream", "wontfix", "help" or change in severity.
Any of those actions indicates that so
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 01:37:56PM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
> On Tuesday 27 February 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:04:47AM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
> wrote:
> > > On Tuesday 27 February 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > > > Le mardi 27 février
On Tuesday 27 February 2007, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:04:47AM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)
wrote:
> > On Tuesday 27 February 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > > Le mardi 27 février 2007 à 09:24 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
> > > Who is not acknowledging such obviou
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:04:47AM +0100, cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis) wrote:
> On Tuesday 27 February 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Le mardi 27 février 2007 à 09:24 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
> > > And how do you help a maintainer that does not admit that he needs
> > > help?
WTF ?!
> > Y
On Tuesday 27 February 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mardi 27 février 2007 à 09:24 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
> > And how do you help a maintainer that does not admit that he needs
> > help?
> Please show me where a current maintainer of Mozilla, KDE, GNOME, the
> glibc, the kernel, X.org
Le mardi 27 février 2007 à 09:24 +0100, Eduard Bloch a écrit :
> And how do you help a maintainer that does not admit that he needs help?
I can't believe people are thinking such crap.
Please show me where a current maintainer of Mozilla, KDE, GNOME, the
glibc, the kernel, X.org or any such big g
On Tuesday 27 February 2007, Ben Finney wrote:
> Pierre Habouzit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > SO rather than sending excuses-templates, when I've had time to check
> > the bug is actually there, I do use the confirmed tag to:
> > * ack this is an actual bug ;
> > * ack that I've been able
On Tuesday 27 February 2007, Ben Finney wrote:
> Ben Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > "cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > - an indication the effort of submitting a bug report is apreciated
> > > - an indication the effort will _not_ be ignored in the long run
> > >
#include
* Don Armstrong [Mon, Feb 26 2007, 01:55:42PM]:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, Andreas Tille wrote:
> > A maintainer who refuses to respond to a reasonable bug report of a
> > user does not deserve any user.
>
> It's not a case of maintainers refusing to respond, it's a case of
> some maintainer
On 2007-02-27, Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> maintainers not always responsing to bugs, then probably the simplest
> thing to do would be to code up a view in the BTS that lists bugs that
> have not had a maintainer response (filtering out responses that appear
> to be from the bug submitt
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:42:12PM -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 04:37:10PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
> >
> > Thus, if you have a package with any unanswered important or normal
> > bugs, it will not progress. In order to assure propogation, you
Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> And not only when bug are fixed don't we get feedback. We sometimes
>> also face non-responsiveness to our requests for more precisions on the
>> bug...
> Ironically, most of the time, this happens with unreproduc
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 08:03:39AM +0100, Mike Hommey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> And not only when bug are fixed don't we get feedback. We sometimes also
> face non-responsiveness to our requests for more precisions on the bug...
Ironically, most of the time, this happens with unreproducible bug
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 07:01:17PM -0600, Reid Priedhorsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:10:12 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
> >
> > Now, the iceape case is interesting: *you* (as in, the one complaining
> > about rotting bugs) are also allowed to help the maintainers instead of
Le Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 04:37:10PM -0800, Don Armstrong a écrit :
> Allow me to quote from the OP:
>
>What do people look on the following idea: not allow packages to
>migrate from sid to testing if they have unanswered bug reports
>with severity >= normal?
>
> Thus, if you have a pac
Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> If someone would actually like to do something about the problem of
> maintainers not always responsing to bugs, then probably the
> simplest thing to do would be to code up a view in the BTS that
> lists bugs that have not had a maintainer response ...
Thi
* Reid Priedhorsky ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:10:12 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
> >
> > Now, the iceape case is interesting: *you* (as in, the one complaining
> > about rotting bugs) are also allowed to help the maintainers instead of
> > whining. *That* would help. For examp
If someone would actually like to do something about the problem of
maintainers not always responsing to bugs, then probably the simplest
thing to do would be to code up a view in the BTS that lists bugs that
have not had a maintainer response (filtering out responses that appear
to be from the bug
> "Don" == Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Don> It's not a case of maintainers refusing to respond, it's a
Don> case of some maintainers of some packagages drowning in bugs
Don> and not being able to respond to all of them. [I don't
Don> believe any maintainer of pack
On Mon, Feb 26, 2007 at 05:37:54PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
>
> All bugs *should* be dealt with, but requiring that it be done is
> counter productive when maintainers are unable to keep up with the
> bugs that they already have.
>
> High numbers of unresponded bugs are an indication that a ma
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007, Roberto C. Sanchez wrote:
> what would be so bad about requiring that every >= important bug be
> tagged (either confirmed, forwarded, non-reproducible, moreinfo, or
> upstream) or simply closed?
All bugs *should* be dealt with, but requiring that it be done is
counter product
Reid Priedhorsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:30:23 +0100, Ben Finney wrote:
>
> > There's a huge difference, though, in the effect on the submitter
> > between receiving an automated "your report *will in the future* be
> > read by a human being",
>
> ...which most submit
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 01:40:07 +0100, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2007, Ben Finney wrote:
>> The goal as I understood the OP was to discourage letting bugs (of
>> 'normal' severity or above) sit unacknowledged while the package
>> moves forward with further uploads. There was nothing in th
On Mon, 26 Feb 2007 19:10:12 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
>
> Now, the iceape case is interesting: *you* (as in, the one complaining
> about rotting bugs) are also allowed to help the maintainers instead of
> whining. *That* would help. For example, these three packages I have
> listed in this mail, t
On Tue, 27 Feb 2007 00:30:23 +0100, Ben Finney wrote:
> Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Just for reference, what is currently sent is the following[1]:
>>
>> Thank you for the problem report you have sent regarding Debian.
>> ^- an indication the effort of submitting a bug report
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