Re: Documentation for Package Maintainers regarding Translations (was: General Questions about Translations and what a package maintainer has to do)

2025-03-25 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 06:33:19PM +, Helge Kreutzmann wrote: Am Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 05:49:40PM +0100 schrieb Marc Haber: "Using no line numbers" => invoke msgmerge with --no-location? Yes. "Web pages mentioned above" => I don't see web pages being mentioned. That needs a name or a link

Re: Documentation for Package Maintainers regarding Translations (was: General Questions about Translations and what a package maintainer has to do)

2025-03-24 Thread Helge Kreutzmann
Hello Marc, Am Mon, Mar 24, 2025 at 05:49:40PM +0100 schrieb Marc Haber: > On Sat, Mar 22, 2025 at 06:32:54PM +, Helge Kreutzmann wrote: > > Am Wed, Mar 19, 2025 at 09:44:47AM +0100 schrieb Marc Haber: > > If you have any questions on my changes it is probably best to discuss > > this on list.

Re: Documentation for Package Maintainers regarding Translations (was: General Questions about Translations and what a package maintainer has to do)

2025-03-22 Thread Helge Kreutzmann
Hello Marc, Am Wed, Mar 19, 2025 at 09:44:47AM +0100 schrieb Marc Haber: > tl;dr: New Wiki Page https://wiki.debian.org/I18n/ForPackageMaintainers, > please review I just did it. I usually updated it right away, but at one or two points it is more like a discussion. And due to my changes some redu

Documentation for Package Maintainers regarding Translations (was: General Questions about Translations and what a package maintainer has to do)

2025-03-19 Thread Marc Haber
ul. I hope that this rant will start a positive discussion with actual results that I could pour into a Wiki page that might actually help with the pain I am feeling, assuming that many other maintainers feel as well. Sadly, the disusscion didn't really get traction. But there was valuea

Re: Project-wide LLM budget for helping people (was: Re: Complete and unified documentation for new maintainers

2025-01-14 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Tue, Jan 14, 2025 at 08:52:39AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > I'd really like to know how it is possible for one to use an LLM to make > a contribution to a permissively licensed project (e.g. Expat) without > in effect stealing the code from one's own tribe of Copyleft authors. > > Can one even

Re: Project-wide LLM budget for helping people (was: Re: Complete and unified documentation for new maintainers

2025-01-13 Thread Philip Hands
"M. Zhou" writes: > On Sun, 2025-01-12 at 16:56 +, Colin Watson wrote: >> >> (I have less fixed views on locally-trained models, but I see no very >> compelling need to find more things to spend energy on even if the costs >> are lower.) > > Locally-trained models are not practical in the cu

Re: Project-wide LLM budget for helping people (was: Re: Complete and unified documentation for new maintainers

2025-01-13 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 11:25:20AM -0500, M. Zhou wrote: > On Sat, 2025-01-11 at 13:49 +0100, Fabio Fantoni wrote: > > > > Today trying to see how a new person who wants to start maintaining new > > packages would do and trying to do research thinking from his point of > > view and from simple s

Re: Project-wide LLM budget for helping people (WAS: Re: Complete and unified documentation for new maintainers

2025-01-12 Thread Ángel
On 2025-01-12 at 18:03 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > Watching other people find and fix bugs, even in code they > have written or know well, I can't trust systems built on modern > Markov chains to do better, no matter how much input you give them, and > that's without crediting LLMs as able to

Re: Project-wide LLM budget for helping people (was: Re: Complete and unified documentation for new maintainers

2025-01-12 Thread M. Zhou
On Sun, 2025-01-12 at 16:56 +, Colin Watson wrote: > > (I have less fixed views on locally-trained models, but I see no very > compelling need to find more things to spend energy on even if the costs > are lower.) Locally-trained models are not practical in the current stage. State-of-the-art

Re: Project-wide LLM budget for helping people (WAS: Re: Complete and unified documentation for new maintainers

2025-01-12 Thread Andrew M.A. Cater
On Sun, Jan 12, 2025 at 04:56:15PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 07:13:58PM -0800, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: > > I don't think Debian should as an organization pay for LLMs. On the > > contrary I would expect LLM providers to offer API keys for free to > > Debian Developers just

Re: Project-wide LLM budget for helping people (was: Re: Complete and unified documentation for new maintainers

2025-01-12 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 07:13:58PM -0800, Otto Kekäläinen wrote: > I don't think Debian should as an organization pay for LLMs. On the > contrary I would expect LLM providers to offer API keys for free to > Debian Developers just like we have other perks listed at > https://wiki.debian.org/MemberBe

Re: Project-wide LLM budget for helping people (was: Re: Complete and unified documentation for new maintainers

2025-01-11 Thread Otto Kekäläinen
... > Debian should consider allocating some budget like several hundred USD > per month for the LLM API calls for all members and new-comers' usage. I don't think Debian should as an organization pay for LLMs. On the contrary I would expect LLM providers to offer API keys for free to Debian Devel

Re: Complete and unified documentation for new maintainers

2025-01-11 Thread gregor herrmann
On Sat, 11 Jan 2025 18:04:15 +0500, Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: > Yeah, not sure if that's your point but I think everyone agrees that we > need a good new packager document and while there were some attempts in > the past (see links on https://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers

Call for contributions to maintain existing documentation - Salsa makes it is easy! (was: Re: Complete and unified documentation for new maintainers

2025-01-11 Thread Otto Kekäläinen
to these tool man pages are reviewed by the tool maintainers and thus likely end up in man pages that are actually correct. Sending MRs to the tool maintainers likely also helps them stay motivated to continue to maintain the tools, and the MR contents helps the maintainers get insight of the "user

Re: Project-wide LLM budget for helping people (was: Re: Complete and unified documentation for new maintainers

2025-01-11 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 11:25:20AM -0500, M. Zhou wrote: > Opinion against this post will include something about hallucination. > In the case LLM write something that does not compile at all, or write > some non-existent API, a human is intelligent enough to easily notice > that build failure or l

Re: Complete and unified documentation for new maintainers

2025-01-11 Thread Fabio Fantoni
s on git(even if not salsa). It is faster to review, comment specifically, and possibly help fix/improve directly. Another difference for maintainers can be managing Debian patches, in many cases they are not needed but where they are needed there can be also a good difference in the time that c

Re: Complete and unified documentation for new maintainers

2025-01-11 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
On Sat, Jan 11, 2025 at 03:38:10PM +, Ahmad Khalifa wrote: > > Write on Google "Debian create new package" and first result: https:// > > wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian > > > > It points to various parts but mainly the more probable start point > > seems https://wiki.debian.org/Packagin

Project-wide LLM budget for helping people (was: Re: Complete and unified documentation for new maintainers

2025-01-11 Thread M. Zhou
On Sat, 2025-01-11 at 13:49 +0100, Fabio Fantoni wrote: > > Today trying to see how a new person who wants to start maintaining new > packages would do and trying to do research thinking from his point of > view and from simple searches on the internet I found unfortunately that > these parts a

Re: Complete and unified documentation for new maintainers

2025-01-11 Thread Ahmad Khalifa
On 11/01/2025 12:49, Fabio Fantoni wrote: Write on Google "Debian create new package" and first result: https:// wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian It points to various parts but mainly the more probable start point seems https://wiki.debian.org/Packaging/Intro To point to git and gbp see

Re: Complete and unified documentation for new maintainers

2025-01-11 Thread Julien Plissonneau Duquène
;reference implementation" out of a carefully chosen project, and publish a frozen demo git repository that could be cloned and used along the tutorial. Practices that are specific to teams or maintainers should be documented by them, as they are in the best place to know what is current and wh

Re: Complete and unified documentation for new maintainers

2025-01-11 Thread Andrey Rakhmatullin
n and help (even on > mentors, although it seems to have improved recently) Yeah, not sure if that's your point but I think everyone agrees that we need a good new packager document and while there were some attempts in the past (see links on https://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers/ ) ther

Complete and unified documentation for new maintainers

2025-01-11 Thread Fabio Fantoni
There has been a lot of talk about attracting and helping new maintainers, some improvements have been made "here and there", the documentation of gbp (the most used tool) has been improved, salsa, salsa-ci have been improved, there is discussion about DEP18, accepting DEP14 etc..

Re: [Pkg-matrix-maintainers] Accepted matrix-synapse 1.116.0-1 (source) into unstable

2024-10-04 Thread Andrej Shadura
Hi, On Thu, 3 Oct 2024, at 23:08, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Andrej Shadura (2024-10-03 21:41:49) >> On Thu, 3 Oct 2024, at 20:05, Debian FTP Masters wrote: >> >* simplify rules; >> > build-depend on dh-rust (not dh-cargo); >> > add X-Cargo-Crates hint; >> > drop patch de

Re: [Pkg-matrix-maintainers] Accepted matrix-synapse 1.116.0-1 (source) into unstable

2024-10-03 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2024-10-03 23:08:38) > Quoting Andrej Shadura (2024-10-03 21:41:49) > > Hi Jonas, > > > > Thanks for helping with maintaining Synapse. > > > > I appreciate that you did some valuable work, but it would be great if you > > gave me a heads-up before uploading. While we’re

Re: [Pkg-matrix-maintainers] Accepted matrix-synapse 1.116.0-1 (source) into unstable

2024-10-03 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Andrej Shadura (2024-10-03 21:41:49) > Hi Jonas, > > Thanks for helping with maintaining Synapse. > > I appreciate that you did some valuable work, but it would be great if you > gave me a heads-up before uploading. While we’re both members of the team, > and it’s true I haven’t had tim

Re: [Pkg-rust-maintainers] Bug#1065787: 64-bit time_t transition: cargo needs manual intervention

2024-03-17 Thread Fabian Grünbichler
On Sun, Mar 17, 2024 at 06:53:34AM +0100, Emanuele Rocca wrote: > > On 2024-03-16 04:21, Emanuele Rocca wrote: > > With libcurl3t64-gnutls cargo can now be rebootstrapped on armhf > > And on armel too. Fixed armhf/armel packages uploaded. > > > Fabian: it seems that cargo's build-depend on git c

Re: [Debian-iot-maintainers] Bug#1062257: libcoap3: NMU diff for 64-bit time_t transition

2024-02-02 Thread Carsten Schoenert
Am 01.02.24 um 09:30 schrieb Steve Langasek: What is the rationale behind rising a bug report at 9:51pm my time and firing a *direct* NMU upload just 11min later (according to the time stamps from the emails)? There are 1200+ source packages that require NMUing and the Debian archive is a movi

Re: [Debian-iot-maintainers] Bug#1062257: libcoap3: NMU diff for 64-bit time_t transition

2024-02-01 Thread Steve Langasek
mentioned from the initial email again, also there I > can't find a written plan that would explain me why the bug reporting > together with a direct upload did happen. I see no plan there what will > happen on what time. > Why no usual muss bug filling did happen so groups and maintainer

Re: [Debian-iot-maintainers] Bug#1062257: libcoap3: NMU diff for 64-bit time_t transition

2024-02-01 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2024-02-01, Carsten Schoenert wrote: > What is the rationale behind rising a bug report at 9:51pm my time and > firing a *direct* NMU upload just 11min later (according to the time > stamps from the emails)? > I as the uploader for libcoap have no chance to do any action on this > bug report

Re: [Debian-iot-maintainers] Bug#1062257: libcoap3: NMU diff for 64-bit time_t transition

2024-01-31 Thread Carsten Schoenert
initial email again, also there I can't find a written plan that would explain me why the bug reporting together with a direct upload did happen. I see no plan there what will happen on what time. Why no usual muss bug filling did happen so groups and maintainers would have some know

Re: Maintainers needed for debtags.debian.org

2024-01-22 Thread Enrico Zini
On Sun, Jan 21, 2024 at 10:52:02AM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > I can offer to maintain hosting and packaging of debtags code projects. > Would that be helpful, or are/were you looking for new code maintainer? Thank you for your interest! Personally I am not motivated to look after Debtags an

Re: Maintainers needed for debtags.debian.org

2024-01-21 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Hi Enrico (cc d-devel list), Quoting Enrico Zini (2022-10-19 15:20:43) > I would like to let go of the responsibility of maintaining > debtags.debian.org. > > Over the years I did my best to simplify the whole system, so picking up > maintenance shouldn't be too hard, if there is interest. > > I

Re: Bug#1030780: Maintainers wanted for softether-vpn

2023-02-10 Thread Brian Thompson
On Wed, 2023-02-08 at 05:52 -0600, Brian Thompson wrote: > On Tue, 2023-02-07 at 14:23 +0100, Andrej Shadura wrote: > > Package: wnpp > > Severity: normal > > X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org > > > > Hi all, > > > > I packaged SoftEther VPN back in 2020 when people in Belarus protested

Re: Bug#1030780: Maintainers wanted for softether-vpn

2023-02-08 Thread Brian Thompson
On Tue, 2023-02-07 at 14:23 +0100, Andrej Shadura wrote: > Package: wnpp > Severity: normal > X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org > > Hi all, > > I packaged SoftEther VPN back in 2020 when people in Belarus protested > against decades of > dictatorship, and they needed a safe way to comm

Bug#1030780: Maintainers wanted for softether-vpn

2023-02-07 Thread Andrej Shadura
Package: wnpp Severity: normal X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Hi all, I packaged SoftEther VPN back in 2020 when people in Belarus protested against decades of dictatorship, and they needed a safe way to communicate with the outside world and with each other, circumventing the stat

Maintainers needed for debtags.debian.org

2022-10-19 Thread Enrico Zini
Hello, I would like to let go of the responsibility of maintaining debtags.debian.org. Over the years I did my best to simplify the whole system, so picking up maintenance shouldn't be too hard, if there is interest. I'm going to keep the service in life support until bookworm releases, and if n

Re: netplan.io: call for co-maintainers

2021-09-30 Thread Lukas Maerdian
Hi, Hi, On Tue, 28 Sep 2021, at 08:29, Richard Laager wrote: I don't think we should install something like netplan by default. I agree: it only adds complexity. I personally use netplan everywhere. As to what should be the distro default, I'm not sure I am convinced either way, but to a

Bug#859877: marked as done (debian-maintainers: problem mit instalation HP DeskJet 2130 all-in-one)

2020-07-30 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Your message dated Thu, 30 Jul 2020 13:09:35 +0200 with message-id <20200730110934.ouliun7sqpsf2...@percival.namespace.at> and subject line Re: Bug#859877: debian-maintainers: problem mit instalation HP DeskJet 2130 all-in-one has caused the Debian Bug report #859877, regarding debian-maint

Re: Bug#922155: [Pkg-matrix-maintainers] ITP: matrix-archive-keyring -- OpenPGP archive key for the Matrix.org package repository

2019-02-13 Thread Linda Lapinlampi
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 05:17:27PM +0100, Ansgar wrote: > More important is the question if the system should /trust/ the keys. > > IMHO installing a non-Debian keyring should *not* make the keys trusted > by APT by default (i.e. with the default answer if debconf is used). I've agreed, it's the

Re: Bug#922155: [Pkg-matrix-maintainers] ITP: matrix-archive-keyring -- OpenPGP archive key for the Matrix.org package repository

2019-02-13 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Linda Lapinlampi (2019-02-13 16:41:06) > On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 09:40:30PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2019-02-12 19:38:57) > > > I believe this package belongs in contrib, as its only use-case is > > > with together with software outside of Debian main. >

Re: Bug#922155: [Pkg-matrix-maintainers] ITP: matrix-archive-keyring -- OpenPGP archive key for the Matrix.org package repository

2019-02-13 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 05:17:27PM +0100, Ansgar wrote: > More important is the question if the system should /trust/ the keys. > > IMHO installing a non-Debian keyring should *not* make the keys trusted > by APT by default (i.e. with the default answer if debconf is used). agreed. > ubuntu-keyr

Re: Bug#922155: [Pkg-matrix-maintainers] ITP: matrix-archive-keyring -- OpenPGP archive key for the Matrix.org package repository

2019-02-13 Thread Ansgar
On Wed, 2019-02-13 at 15:41 +, Linda Lapinlampi wrote: > Template: matrix-archive-keyring/sources.list > Type: boolean > Default: false > _Description: Use APT data sources from Matrix.org? > The Matrix.org Debian package repository distributes supplemental Matrix.org > related packages inten

Re: Bug#922155: [Pkg-matrix-maintainers] ITP: matrix-archive-keyring -- OpenPGP archive key for the Matrix.org package repository

2019-02-13 Thread Linda Lapinlampi
On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 09:40:30PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2019-02-12 19:38:57) > > I believe this package belongs in contrib, as its only use-case is with > > together with software outside of Debian main. > > ...and now posting to the actual bugreport as well.

Re: [Pkg-matrix-maintainers] ITP: matrix-archive-keyring -- OpenPGP archive key for the Matrix.org package repository

2019-02-12 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2019-02-12 19:38:57) > [ adding d-devel@ to the discussion ] > > Quoting Linda Lapinlampi (2019-02-12 18:51:39) > > The Matrix.org Debian package repository distributes digitally signed > > releases of Matrix.org related packages. This package contains the > > archive k

Re: [Pkg-matrix-maintainers] ITP: matrix-archive-keyring -- OpenPGP archive key for the Matrix.org package repository

2019-02-12 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
[ adding d-devel@ to the discussion ] Quoting Linda Lapinlampi (2019-02-12 18:51:39) > The Matrix.org Debian package repository distributes digitally signed > releases of Matrix.org related packages. This package contains the > archive key used to verify those files, required by apt(8). I belie

Re: Policy and procedures issue: init package hijacked via hostile NMU (declined by maintainers)

2018-12-25 Thread Ian Jackson
Andreas Henriksson writes ("Re: Policy and procedures issue: init package hijacked via hostile NMU (declined by maintainers)"): > I have only seen a limited amount of Dmitrys work, but my impression > is that he's not someone who should be trusted with unrestricted > uploa

Re: Policy and procedures issue: init package hijacked via hostile NMU (declined by maintainers)

2018-12-23 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Dec 22, 2018 at 10:11:53AM -0800, Josh Triplett wrote: > Please note in the following mail that I'm raising this *exclusively* as a > policy and procedures issue, *not* a technical issue. I would request that > people *please* focus on the policy and procedures issue, and keep any > propos

Re: Policy and procedures issue: init package hijacked via hostile NMU (declined by maintainers)

2018-12-23 Thread Guillem Jover
On Sat, 2018-12-22 at 22:51:37 +, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 at 22:25:48 +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > > Procedurally? I guess it was > > OKish, but I guess that's a consequence we get when people involved > > the ctte to muddle the social and procedural fabric of the project…

Re: Policy and procedures issue: init package hijacked via hostile NMU (declined by maintainers)

2018-12-22 Thread Simon McVittie
On Sat, 22 Dec 2018 at 22:25:48 +0100, Guillem Jover wrote: > Procedurally? I guess it was > OKish, but I guess that's a consequence we get when people involved > the ctte to muddle the social and procedural fabric of the project… I am not aware of any requests for decisions, requests to overrule

Re: Policy and procedures issue: init package hijacked via hostile NMU (declined by maintainers)

2018-12-22 Thread Guillem Jover
l the NMU *himself*. > [...] > He also said the maintainers had to get the CTTE to overrule > his decision if they did not want to accept his NMU. Not quite. Here are the relevant quotes: ,--- [2018-11-28 18:48] Dmitry Bogatov > I am worried: freeze is coming, and noth

Re: Policy and procedures issue: init package hijacked via hostile NMU (declined by maintainers)

2018-12-22 Thread Andreas Henriksson
gt; - Dmitry refused to cancel the NMU, which then went into the archive. > > Dimitry refused to cancel the NMU *himself*. [...] He also said the maintainers had to get the CTTE to overrule his decision if they did not want to accept his NMU. (which apart from refusing to listen

Re: Policy and procedures issue: init package hijacked via hostile NMU (declined by maintainers)

2018-12-22 Thread Guillem Jover
itry reported back that it "works for him", and no further debugging > appears to have taken place. Dimitry sent another mail asking for a reproducer in the form of a VM or similar. And mentioned being worried about missing the freeze deadline. > - Dmitry uploaded an NMU to DELAYED

Policy and procedures issue: init package hijacked via hostile NMU (declined by maintainers)

2018-12-22 Thread Josh Triplett
ystem installed with runit-init appears broken, and in particular appears to hang without any ability to log in. - Dmitry reported back that it "works for him", and no further debugging appears to have taken place. - Dmitry uploaded an NMU to DELAYED/15. - One of the maintainer

Re: [NLnet Labs Maintainers] Looking for new opendnssec and softhsm maintainer

2018-03-25 Thread YunQiang Su
On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 8:00 PM, Berry A.W. van Halderen wrote: > On 31 July 2017, Ondřej Surý wrote: >> I am looking for a new maintainer for opendnssec and softhsm package. >> Honestly, I am not using neither, and it's quite hard to do a packaging >> when you don't use the packages in question,

Re: Looking for maintainers for our project

2017-11-07 Thread Clément Hermann
Hi, On 07/11/2017 09:38, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 11/06/2017 09:56 AM, b...@coldsource.net wrote: >> Hi everyone, >> >> I work for UFC - Que Choisir (a French consumer association) and we just >> released (GPL3) version 2.0 of our job scheduler evQueue. >> >> Here is the website : http://www.ev

Re: Looking for maintainers for our project

2017-11-07 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 11/06/2017 09:56 AM, b...@coldsource.net wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I work for UFC - Que Choisir (a French consumer association) and we just > released (GPL3) version 2.0 of our job scheduler evQueue. > > Here is the website : http://www.evqueue.net/ > > We are providing debian packages (debia

Looking for maintainers for our project

2017-11-06 Thread bob
Hi everyone, I work for UFC - Que Choisir (a French consumer association) and we just released (GPL3) version 2.0 of our job scheduler evQueue. Here is the website : http://www.evqueue.net/ We are providing debian packages (debian 8 and 9) but would like to know if it is possible to get some

Re: [Pkg-mozext-maintainers] Packaging WebExtensions compatible with multiple browsers

2017-08-21 Thread Ximin Luo
Yao Wei: > Hi, > > There are some problems for us to package Debian packages for > WebExtensions that can support Firefox and Chromium using the same > codebase. I do come up with my idea, but I still need a conclusion to > prepare a package: > > 1. Should we use different prefix for the WebExte

Re: [NLnet Labs Maintainers] Looking for new opendnssec and softhsm maintainer

2017-08-15 Thread Berry A.W. van Halderen
On 31 July 2017, Ondřej Surý wrote: > I am looking for a new maintainer for opendnssec and softhsm package. > Honestly, I am not using neither, and it's quite hard to do a packaging > when you don't use the packages in question, and I think the package > suffer as a consequence, and I very much dis

Re: Looking for new Debian maintainers for courier-mta packages

2017-03-28 Thread Markus Wanner
stretch (next stable) end-of-life and becomes > maintainers. Well, that's hard to promise, but I'll try to get courier ready for stretch, in the first place. If that effort isn't successful, it should better be dropped from stretch. > Please note that the bug list on src:cour

Re: [Pkg-rust-maintainers] Release impact of introducing a new archive section?

2017-01-23 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 4:30 AM, Josh Triplett wrote: > How long does it typically take for that to sync to > https://packages.debian.org/unstable/ and (for instance) The descriptions for that are hardcoded in lib/Packages/Sections.pm, you might want to submit an update for the master branch of t

Re: [Pkg-rust-maintainers] Release impact of introducing a new archive section?

2017-01-23 Thread Josh Triplett
On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 08:56:31PM +0100, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > Josh Triplett writes: > > Given that, can you please go ahead and add the two new sections for > > rust (https://bugs.debian.org/845576) and javascript > > (https://bugs.debian.org/753480), and update the override file for > > exis

Re: MIA maintainers and RC-buggy packages

2016-12-12 Thread Michael Meskes
> Did you document your attempts so people willing to help have a point > to start from? No, and all the blame for that goes to me. BTW the same holds for all of my other packages, I'm more than willing to accept help/co-maintainership. Thanks for the patch. Michael -- Michael Meskes Michael

Looking for new Debian maintainers for courier-mta packages

2016-12-06 Thread Ondřej Surý
Hi, TL;DR I am looking for prospective courier-mta maintainers for Courier MTA packages. a little history - Mark Constable asked me a while ago if I could prepare updated Courier MTA packages for Ubuntu PPA. As a part of that I whipped the courier-authlib, courier-unicode and courier packages up

Re: MIA maintainers and RC-buggy packages

2016-12-04 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Sun, Dec 04, 2016 at 01:14:42PM +0100, Christoph Biedl wrote: >... > To add a few criteria, I'd remove a package from sid only if it >... > * has been orphaned for a longer time, say: a year > So again users of that package had a grace period to ask for work on > that package. >... Two ques

Re: MIA maintainers and RC-buggy packages

2016-12-04 Thread Christoph Biedl
Michael Meskes wrote... > Sure, but then it would be nice if you'd tried finding out if nobody > cares. As usual the real world is neither white not black, but some > shade of gray. The problem with the package is that the new version > does not build on my system but I lack the time to debug, cou

Re: MIA maintainers and RC-buggy packages

2016-12-04 Thread Christoph Biedl
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote... > I would suggest to come up with some algorithm to determine if a package is > effectively unmaintained, and implement it in an automatic way that gives > maintainers prior notice and a chance to react, like we do with auto-removals. > Then if nothing

Re: MIA maintainers and RC-buggy packages

2016-12-03 Thread Michael Meskes
> > The question is absolutely valid, but maybe I should rephrase it to > > "Why > > are you contacting the uploader only and not the team as well?" > > Because it's the first step. Would have been nice to know. Anyway, I can see your point. > > > * Also: what should we do with packages that are

Re: MIA maintainers and RC-buggy packages

2016-12-03 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 09:25:11AM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote: > > human maintainer". 1 was "why are you asking me, I am only an > > uploader, > > the package is team maintained" even though that person was the only > > actual uploader (since 2002 till 2012). I've sent the list of my > > pings to

Re: MIA maintainers and RC-buggy packages

2016-12-03 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 06:23:17PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > > I think we should also have an auto-removals-from-sid[1] (the crowd > > applauded > > when I mentioned that in my Debconf talk), which would solve/help your high > > number of orphaned packages. > What real problems will this

Re: MIA maintainers and RC-buggy packages

2016-12-03 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 12:23:17PM +0100, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > I think we should also have an auto-removals-from-sid[1] (the crowd applauded > when I mentioned that in my Debconf talk), which would solve/help your high > number of orphaned packages. What real problems will this solve apa

Re: MIA maintainers and RC-buggy packages

2016-12-03 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 11:42:02AM +0100, Mattia Rizzolo wrote: > And: you're suggesting to do a QA upload without changing maintainer > field? That seems ridiculous to me: QA uploads are uploads where > maintainer is QA, right? You're suggesting to change the meaning to > "big NMU", basically?

Re: MIA maintainers and RC-buggy packages

2016-12-03 Thread Mattia Rizzolo
On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 12:23:17PM +0100, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > I would suggest to come up with some algorithm to determine if a package is > effectively unmaintained, and implement it in an automatic way that gives > maintainers prior notice and a chance to react, like we do

Re: MIA maintainers and RC-buggy packages

2016-12-03 Thread Holger Levsen
On Sat, Dec 03, 2016 at 12:23:17PM +0100, Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote: > I would suggest to come up with some algorithm to determine if a package is > effectively unmaintained, and implement it in an automatic way that gives > maintainers prior notice and a chance to react, like we do

Re: MIA maintainers and RC-buggy packages

2016-12-03 Thread Emilio Pozuelo Monfort
t's just plain hard/impossible to give an > appropriate answer good for all cases. We shall discuss this again at > DebConf instead. I would suggest to come up with some algorithm to determine if a package is effectively unmaintained, and implement it in an automatic way that gives maintain

Re: MIA maintainers and RC-buggy packages

2016-12-03 Thread Mattia Rizzolo
On Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 10:56:07PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > * So, the first question is: should I spend my time on getting these > packages back to testing so they would be a part of the next release? Or > should I spend my time on other RC bugs fixing which will help release > stretch fa

Re: MIA maintainers and RC-buggy packages

2016-12-03 Thread Michael Meskes
> human maintainer". 1 was "why are you asking me, I am only an > uploader, > the package is team maintained" even though that person was the only > actual uploader (since 2002 till 2012). I've sent the list of my > pings to > the MIA team. I don't like the way you are picturing this. The question

Re: MIA maintainers and RC-buggy packages

2016-12-02 Thread Ian Jackson
Andrey Rahmatullin writes ("Re: MIA maintainers and RC-buggy packages"): > On Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 06:58:55PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Frankly, I would have been tempted to let a lot of those packages slip > > out of stretch. It depends what they were, of course

Re: MIA maintainers and RC-buggy packages

2016-12-02 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Fri, Dec 02, 2016 at 06:58:55PM +, Ian Jackson wrote: > > * So: is it a real problem that there are packages that should be marked > > as orphaned but they aren't? Should we spend any effort on marking more > > orphaned packages? If yes, how should we do that? > > No, I think this is a wast

Re: MIA maintainers and RC-buggy packages

2016-12-02 Thread Ian Jackson
Andrey Rahmatullin writes ("MIA maintainers and RC-buggy packages"): > * So: is it a real problem that there are packages that should be marked > as orphaned but they aren't? Should we spend any effort on marking more > orphaned packages? If yes, how should we do that? No,

MIA maintainers and RC-buggy packages

2016-12-02 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
should I spend my time on other RC bugs fixing which will help release stretch faster? Next, I contacted all maintainers or such packages, telling them that their package X had its last maintaner upload on X and has an RC bug #X since X, asking them to orphan the package if they are not interest

Re: The (uncalled for) toolchain maintainers roll call for stretch

2016-09-16 Thread Matthias Klose
On 15.09.2016 22:43, Helge Deller wrote: > Hi Matthias, > > On 10.09.2016 00:48, Matthias Klose wrote: >> While the Debian Release team has some citation about the quality of the >> toolchain on their status page, it is not one of the release criteria >> documented >> by the release team. I'd li

Re: The (uncalled for) toolchain maintainers roll call for stretch

2016-09-15 Thread Helge Deller
Hi Matthias, On 10.09.2016 00:48, Matthias Klose wrote: > While the Debian Release team has some citation about the quality of the > toolchain on their status page, it is not one of the release criteria > documented > by the release team. I'd like to document the status how I do understand it >

Re: The (uncalled for) toolchain maintainers roll call for stretch

2016-09-10 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 09:21:42AM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 at 00:48:09 +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > > The arm-linux-gnueabi is not that well defined, so it may include the hard > > float > > variant as well. However Debian default to armv4t, while the default > > conf

Re: The (uncalled for) toolchain maintainers roll call for stretch

2016-09-10 Thread Matthias Klose
On 10.09.2016 09:59, Paul Gevers wrote: > Hi, > > On 10-09-16 00:48, Matthias Klose wrote: >> - fpc not available on powerpc anymore (may have changed recently) > > For whatever it is worth, this was finally fixed this week. It is > missing on mips*, ppc64el and s390x though, while at least some

Re: The (uncalled for) toolchain maintainers roll call for stretch

2016-09-10 Thread Matthias Klose
On 10.09.2016 10:21, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 at 00:48:09 +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: >> The arm-linux-gnueabi is not that well defined, so it may include the hard >> float >> variant as well. However Debian default to armv4t, while the default >> configuration for upstream is

Re: The (uncalled for) toolchain maintainers roll call for stretch

2016-09-10 Thread John Paul Adrian Glaubitz
On 09/10/2016 12:48 AM, Matthias Klose wrote: > Uncovered by the upstream primary and secondary platforms are the mips* > architectures and powerpc. For the uncovered archs I would expect somehow > more > and pro-active Debian maintenance, however I fail to see this happen. > > - see the histor

Re: The (uncalled for) toolchain maintainers roll call for stretch

2016-09-10 Thread Simon McVittie
On Sat, 10 Sep 2016 at 00:48:09 +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > The arm-linux-gnueabi is not that well defined, so it may include the hard > float > variant as well. However Debian default to armv4t, while the default > configuration for upstream is armv5. However with the selected defaults > Deb

Re: The (uncalled for) toolchain maintainers roll call for stretch

2016-09-10 Thread Paul Gevers
Hi, On 10-09-16 00:48, Matthias Klose wrote: > - fpc not available on powerpc anymore (may have changed recently) For whatever it is worth, this was finally fixed this week. It is missing on mips*, ppc64el and s390x though, while at least some form of MIPS is supported upstream. Paul signatu

The (uncalled for) toolchain maintainers roll call for stretch

2016-09-09 Thread Matthias Klose
r's call I didn't see any toolchain support for the powerpc architecture. For the mips* architectures we apparently have five or more active toolchain maintainers. I very much doubt that view. From my point of view these architecture would be perfect candidates for partial architectures, an

Bug#796969: ITP: hamradio-maintguide -- Debian Hamradio Maintainers Guide

2015-08-26 Thread Iain R. Learmonth
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: "Iain R. Learmonth" * Package name: hamradio-maintguide Version : 0.1 Upstream Author : Iain R. Learmonth * License : BSD-2-clause maybe Programming Lang: Sphinx Description : Debian Hamradio Maintainers Guide

Bits from Perl maintainers

2015-08-24 Thread Niko Tyni
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Re: a script to help maintainers with renames for gcc packages

2015-08-13 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Steve Langasek (2015-08-13 03:38:00) > - if using d-shlibs (which... don't. thanks), you need to pass a >--v5 option to it in debian/rules. Not sure what is meant by that parenthesis. If d-shlibs is somehow an antipattern then please clarify¹. - Jonas ¹ I am genuinely puzzled -

Re: a script to help maintainers with renames for gcc packages

2015-08-12 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Steve Langasek (2015-08-12): > On Thu, Aug 13, 2015 at 03:14:18AM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote: > > Thanks! Does the hazardous sed call touching debian/rules now account > > for the dh_makeshlibs call(s) that might have been missed previously? > > I don't know about dh_makeshlibs calls specifical

Re: a script to help maintainers with renames for gcc packages

2015-08-12 Thread Steve Langasek
local > > machine... or upload a source package to the Debian archive without > > building/testing/including binaries), but hopefully it's a useful > > starting point for maintainers (or NMUers) who need to update their > > packages for this ABI change. > Thanks! Does

Re: a script to help maintainers with renames for gcc packages

2015-08-12 Thread Cyril Brulebois
uding binaries), but hopefully it's a useful > starting point for maintainers (or NMUers) who need to update their > packages for this ABI change. Thanks! Does the hazardous sed call touching debian/rules now account for the dh_makeshlibs call(s) that might have been missed previously?

a script to help maintainers with renames for gcc packages

2015-08-12 Thread Steve Langasek
Ubuntu... or try to write transition files to the Ubuntu instance of the release team transition tracker, as checked out on my local machine... or upload a source package to the Debian archive without building/testing/including binaries), but hopefully it's a useful starting point for maintai

Bug#786702: ITP: debmake-doc -- Guide for Debian Maintainers

2015-05-24 Thread Osamu Aoki
, etc. Description : Guide for Debian Maintainers This is the accompanying document of the debmake package in sid. This document provides more practical packaging cases done in the modern packaging style with the debmake command. As a result, unlike the old maint-guide package, there are

Bits from the Debian Hamradio Maintainers

2015-05-13 Thread Iain R. Learmonth
Hi, A lot has been happening recently in the Debian Hamradio Maintainers team and these bits announce some of the things we've been working on. Contents 1. Debian Hamradio Pure Blend Update 2. oss-removal Release Goal 3. Update on notable packages 1. Debian Hamradio Pure

Re: Enlightenment DR19 - Maintainers?!

2014-10-08 Thread Martinx - ジェームズ
ian?! :-P > > You tell us! > > I assume you're related to the recent reddit thread? If so, hi! Welcome! > If not, also hi! Welcome! > haha! Thanks!!! You're very kind...^_^ No, I don't know about this thread on reddit, have you a link to it?! I would like

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