Re: Results of the porter roll call (Was: Roll call for porters of architectures in sid and testing)

2013-10-06 Thread Sven Luther
Friendly, Sven Luther On Wed, Oct 02, 2013 at 09:45:35AM +0200, Niels Thykier wrote: > Hi, > > The final results are in: > > Summary table: > Arch || DDs || NMs/DMs || Other || Total > ---++-++-++---++-- > armel || 3 |

Please, stop this hurting vendetta, don't you think enough time has passed ?

2008-08-29 Thread Sven Luther
, like said, i have been hurt like no other DD has ever been hurt before me, and each time another stab is taken against me it is as if the wound is fresh again, and the hurt comes all over again. Do you really think i deserved this ? Really ? Please, don't do this anymore, and leave me in peace, Sadly, Sven Luther

Please stop this hurting vendetta against me ...

2008-08-29 Thread Sven Luther
Hello, ... This is the first time in the over-a-year that i have been banned from the debian mailing lists that i try to go around the ban to post an appeal to the whole debian community. And i am sorry to come again with this. I write this, because even despite what debian has done to me, i sti

Re: Debian's Linux kernel continues to regress on freedom

2007-09-12 Thread Sven Luther
me. This mail will thus most probably not reach the mailing lists, consider bouncing it if you consider it appropriate. Sadly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Debian's Linux kernel continues to regress on freedom

2007-09-12 Thread Sven Luther
ld not have expulsed me, but rather should have given me more support in the work i tried to do for debian. Your lose, Sadly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Debian's Linux kernel continues to regress on freedom

2007-09-12 Thread Sven Luther
t; to keep our word on the social contract, what _can_ we be trusted with? IF you really think so, then why did you sabotage my efforts to reach a GR which could be used as a basis to address this issue with the hardware manufacturers last year ? Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Debian's Linux kernel continues to regress on freedom

2007-09-12 Thread Sven Luther
ttacked when this issue came back last year, and the sabotaging of my effort to go in a right direction, and prepare a GR that could be used to build on and approach the hardware manufacturers, how do you expect anything to have changed ? Especially since i was expulsed from debian since then, and in gener

Re: Explications needed...

2006-12-28 Thread Sven Luther
team-based with inter-team communication and multiple backups setup. This is i believe the major challenge that debian has been facing into all his structural positions, and altough some areas made the move cleanly, altough not without growing pains, the buildd infrastructure is maybe not one o

Re: Bug#395262: "Arch: all" package FTBFS due to test needing network access - RC?

2006-11-01 Thread Sven Luther
d lately ? I think mips/mipsel, and some other arch where concerned. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Proposal to delay the decition of the DPL of the withdrawal of the Package Policy Committee delegation

2006-10-26 Thread Sven Luther
aybe some kind of assistant secretary either permanent or delegated for the occasion. Anthony, can you comment on this ? Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

position statement from the kernel team over the current non-free firmware GR vote (Was: Call for votes for "GR: : Handling source-less firmware in the Linux kernel")

2006-10-13 Thread Sven Luther
possible other amendments (like a rewording of Josselin's proposal on top of the consensual proposal for example). On behalf of the Debian Kernel Team, Friendly, Sven Luther [1] - http://www.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_007 [2] - http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2006/10/msg00183.html

Re: Call for votes for "GR: : Handling source-less firmware in the Linux kernel"

2006-10-11 Thread Sven Luther
ppose the vote will be void anyway, and i strongly call for everyone to vote further discussion over the other solutions. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

NO-OP vote ... Re: FIRST CALL FOR VOTES FOR "DFSG #2 applies to all programmatic works"

2006-10-05 Thread Sven Luther
revent further discussion at a later time, and indeed our DPL has already said he intent to trigger further discussion about these issues around the edinbourg debconf time. So, i am not going to vote on this one. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject

Re: The bigger issue is badly licensed blobs (was Re: Firmware poll

2006-08-30 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 08:18:28PM -0400, Nathanael Nerode wrote: > Sven Luther wrote: > > > Since the firmware blobs are not derivative works of the kernel, but > > constitute mere agregation in the same binary format, the authors of other > > pieces of GPLed code fo the

Re: The bigger issue is badly licensed blobs (was Re: Firmware poll

2006-08-30 Thread Sven Luther
t doesn't allow us to distribute the problematic code in those cases. Since the firmware blobs are not derivative works of the kernel, but constitute mere agregation in the same binary format, the authors of other pieces of GPLed code fo the linux kernel cannot even sue us for distributing t

Re: The bigger issue is badly licensed blobs (was Re: Firmware poll

2006-08-30 Thread Sven Luther
with this interpretation. A few very vocal people do. I guess they can be counted on the fingers of both hands or so. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bits from the 2IC

2006-05-11 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, May 11, 2006 at 01:10:16AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Unfortunately, other mailing list discussions have been less > happy. A somewhat acrimonious argument between Sven Luther and members > of the d-i team spread out across various lists, starting at > [3]. There has been

Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

2006-04-29 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 05:26:38PM +0300, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 04:13:10PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > So, with all that said, do you still believe it is normal that a perfectly > > running daily build was rejected in maybe a few minutes/hours after i sent

Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

2006-04-29 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 03:58:17AM +0300, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 08:28:11PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > Notice also that both you and Colin Watson, where donated pegasos machines, > > (and guess who arranged that), so the unavailability of a decent bui

Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

2006-04-29 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 03:21:12PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 12:40:48AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:34:30PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 10:46:24PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > &g

Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

2006-04-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 11:49:08PM +0100, Stephen Gran wrote: > This one time, at band camp, Sven Luther said: > > you kicked me out [...] > > just to get ride of me [...] > > it was more important to get ride of sven [...] > > that you kicked the powerpc ma

Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

2006-04-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 12:44:13AM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 10:46:24PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > > Well, it is what i see. There is nothing to clarify on this > > point. They removed me to get ride of me, and despite Colin's help, >

Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

2006-04-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:34:30PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 10:46:24PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > The maintainer is held responsible (and frans and joeyh have not stepped > > down > > from reminding me of this in the past) of the b

Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

2006-04-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 09:47:33PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060427 17:03]: > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 04:52:09PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > > > * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060427 15:05]: > > > > Andreas, do you

Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

2006-04-27 Thread Sven Luther
weeks without being fixed. You are fully responsible for this failure, and should assume your responsability. But then i know already that you are not going to assume it, and like always just do on more round of sven-bashing, and hope everything will be fine. Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

2006-04-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 06:46:11PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > (dropping the ridiculous CC list, AFAICT everybody is subscribed) > > On Thursday 27 April 2006 17:47, Sven Luther wrote: > > None, it is the full decision of the project admin, and i believe what > > happened

Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

2006-04-27 Thread Sven Luther
nal considerations overstep his responsabilities. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

2006-04-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 05:32:42PM +0200, Rene Engelhard wrote: > Sven Luther wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 05:10:17PM +0200, Rene Engelhard wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > Sven Luther wrote: > > > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 04:52:09PM +0200, Andr

Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

2006-04-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 05:10:17PM +0200, Rene Engelhard wrote: > Hi, > > Sven Luther wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 04:52:09PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > > > * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060427 15:05]: > > > > Andreas, do you have an explanatio

Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

2006-04-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 04:52:09PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060427 15:05]: > > Andreas, do you have an explanation of why d-i commit access was taken from > > me, and why i find out only now as i was going to fix the issue ? > > ht

Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

2006-04-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:17:08PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:07:36PM +0200, Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 02:27:35PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 02:19:34PM +0200, Sven Lut

Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

2006-04-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 03:15:17PM +0200, Michael Banck wrote: > On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 02:19:34PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > > Because they kicked out the powerpc porter ? Do you not think this is reason > > enough to consider debian for powerpc dead > > No, this is only

Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

2006-04-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 02:40:08PM +0200, Frank Küster wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Of course, best that could happen now would be if someone just takes up > >> the loose ends, and tries to fix the issues - and I hope someone just > >

Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

2006-04-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 02:27:35PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote: > On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 02:19:34PM +0200, Sven Luther > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I was going to fix it, maybe it would have been fixed already, but no, > > the d-i team decided this otherwise. > &g

Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

2006-04-27 Thread Sven Luther
again with a straight face that i am over-reacting ? friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

2006-04-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 01:59:54PM +0200, Andreas Barth wrote: > * Toni L. Harbaugh-Blackford [Contr] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060427 13:53]: > > On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Andreas Barth wrote: > > > * Sven Luther ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060427 13:23]: > > > > Dear fellow po

Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

2006-04-27 Thread Sven Luther
ng to take their responsabilities and are screwing our powerpc users. They are not worth to be debian developpers, if you would ask me, and in any case, they are not true to the social contract. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Bug#365010: Xserver G5 usb keyboard not loaded ...

2006-04-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 12:53:12PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > On Thursday 27 April 2006 12:14, Sven Luther wrote: > > 1) daily build business card and netinst isos are failing to build > > since april 1, which means they don't include the broadcom tg3 module > > at al

Re: ATA_PIIX and initrd

2006-03-22 Thread Sven Luther
ve absolutely nothing to do with ide-generic, but some brokeness involving the ide-modular patch from Herbert Xu, which was now dropped. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: The problem with killfiles, and other musings [Was: Re: removal of svenl from the project]

2006-03-21 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 02:24:23AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 12:28:14PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > I was going to make a large answer where i was going to denouse the > > inexactitudes and false claims of this clearly inflamatory mail, but i wil

Re: The problem with killfiles, and other musings [Was: Re: removal of svenl from the project]

2006-03-19 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 12:34:09PM +, Martin Michlmayr wrote: > * Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-19 12:28]: > > Anyway, Steve, please try to live up to your own standard, and cut > > the ad-hominem attacks out in the future. > > Describing the situation

Re: dicussion about patches ... ignoring patches make motivation to provide them fall

2006-03-19 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 12:44:05PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: > > [Sven Luther] > > I am not saying that there needs to be an immediate response, or all > > patches need to be applied, but i believe that it is elementary > > politeness from a package maintainer,

Re: The problem with killfiles, and other musings [Was: Re: removal of svenl from the project]

2006-03-19 Thread Sven Luther
attacks out in the future. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: dicussion about patches ... ignoring patches make motivation to provide them fall

2006-03-19 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Mar 19, 2006 at 08:29:18AM +0100, Martin Wuertele wrote: > * Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-19 08:06]: > > > The question is if the problems with the patches and the reason for not > > applying it will be commented, thus giving the author a chance to modi

dicussion about patches ...

2006-03-18 Thread Sven Luther
and the reason for not applying it will be commented, thus giving the author a chance to modify it, or change his approach to fixing the bug, or if the patch will be utherly ignored, which is an act of total contempt to his author as well as the users affected by the bug. Friendly, Sven Luther

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-18 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Mar 18, 2006 at 03:07:41PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > On 10595 March 1977, Sven Luther wrote: > > > There is a difference here though, this is my public process for expulsion, > > No, this is a random flamewar on a random list and has *nothing* to do > with

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-16 Thread Sven Luther
paragraph with any > number of other people, including Debian developers. > > IMHO This is not sufficient grounds for expelling him. > > > PS: I noticed you had the header set: > > Mail-Followup-To: Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > debian-devel@lists.debian

Re: Mediation not Politics (Re: removal of svenl from the project)

2006-03-16 Thread Sven Luther
and, trying to forget the issue. He sais he had no time immediately, but would look into it. This whole issue still blew up because of a single harmless comment i made on wednesday, and my insatisfaction for jonas not crediting my work in solving the bug, which is a sad thing. Friendly, Sven Lut

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-16 Thread Sven Luther
erator issue ? Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

i am not reading d-d anymore, and will reply only to personal mail or CCs.

2006-03-16 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 12:15:15PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > Replying to this since it is addressed to me personally. Err, ... This line seems to add some incomprehension. I am no more readin debian-devel, nor any of the other mailing lists. Steve, on irc, has informed about the mail he

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-16 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 06:33:00PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > On 15 Mar 2006, Sven Luther told this: > > You did never intent to do so, since you clearly said numerous time > > that you where frustrated with the kernel team taking over your work > > on kernel-package,

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-16 Thread Sven Luther
that some good comes out of this thread. I think i have already improved my approach, i removed myself from most irc channels, and don't read most mailing lists. > I would appreciate it if others would consider how these observations apply > to them as well. I&

Re: No insulting messages?

2006-03-16 Thread Sven Luther
lying with more erroneous > arguments" would be safer. Yeah, will use that nexty time. I don't know if native speaker realise this, because many non-native speaker seem to have a fluent english, but there are times when the right words just don't come, and you are grasping with

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-16 Thread Sven Luther
se in cluttering up the lists any more. > > Sorry for not doing this but this mail made me discover you expulsion > thing and I wanted to give my public support to Sven at least once. Thanks, ... Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Mar 16, 2006 at 11:07:02AM +1100, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:48:38PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > >I'm a little sympathetic, because I used to suffer from the same > >disease, and I still have the occasional outbreak, but I'm trying > >hard, and mostly ge

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:48:38PM -0600, Steve Greenland wrote: > On 15-Mar-06, 15:40 (CST), Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > But do you think that anything i said in those is insulting in some way, or > > a > > reason for me to be expelled from debian ? &g

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
nicely for ubuntu, so why not for us ? I leave this all to you, i hope you are up to the responsability, and will not participate again in the kernel team until i am asked to. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
ingly broke their system. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 08:23:53PM +0100, Eduard Bloch wrote: > #include > * Sven Luther [Wed, Mar 15 2006, 08:04:50PM]: > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 11:53:04AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > I strongly agree that Sven Luther is a disruptive element, and > >

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 08:48:48PM +0100, Michael Banck wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 07:21:09PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > I had decided to keep silent for the next few week to let matters settle, > > but > > as you ask directly and i was pointer to your questi

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 11:17:06PM +0200, Daniel Stone wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 08:08:27PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > I am still a bit disgusted of seeing a bug report i provided to ubuntu, with > > patch and all the proper research immediately after the breezy beta go

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 02:26:09PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Adeodato Simó wrote: > > I've never worked closely with Sven Luther, but I've lurked in some > > teams he's member of, so if my capability as an observer is worth > > something to you, you

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 10:54:58AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 07:26:07PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:56:10PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > > I hadn't replied to the bug report because I wasn't involved in the

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 11:53:04AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > I strongly agree that Sven Luther is a disruptive element, and > his presence hurts the project more than it helps. I have found a > pattern of behaviour from him, where any discussion first focuses on

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
limits of > my mind. > > Technical problems are hard, but we love them; social problems are > harder, and we repeteadly ignore them until they explode. And ignore people who, maybe not directly, ask for help, and fall of them like a pack of wolves when they stumble, right ? Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
o note that jonas is not excempt from the fault, and that other had had trouble dealing with him, even if you didn't know that when you made your hasty judgement. Friendly, still, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:56:10PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 05:56:05PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > I was a bit short on you, because you started to make noise about the reason > > for the refusal being a #include being wrongly placed i

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Mar 15, 2006 at 03:56:48PM +0100, Jorgen Schaefer wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 09:01:09PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> I am going through the expulsion process to have Sv

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Sven Luther
you apologize for that, so should we expulse you for both being offensive to me (and having gone over to the ennemy :) ? So, please tell me when i have said anything such to you in the context of debian, i would be very surprised about it. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-14 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 09:01:09PM -0500, Andres Salomon wrote: > Hi, > > I am going through the expulsion process to have Sven Luther removed > from the project. The process is outlined here: > <http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/08/msg5.html>, > and

Re: Question for all candidates: handle debian-admin more openly

2006-03-10 Thread Sven Luther
Let's move this to elsewhere than -vote for technical discussion, d-ppc and d-ppc64 are good places for this. On Fri, Mar 10, 2006 at 02:21:12AM -0800, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Mar 09, 2006 at 01:03:47PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > > Are bruckner and voltaire overloade

Re: [Pkg-xen-devel] Re: Packaing Xen 3.0 etc for Debian

2006-02-28 Thread Sven Luther
27;t you just join and commit your fixes before anybody tried to > > release it? > > I can. :) Guido, be warned that Bastian often communicates with a few monosylabes and SVN commits :) This doesn't make working with him too problematic usually though :) Friendly, Sven Luther

Re: [Pkg-xen-devel] Re: Packaing Xen 3.0 etc for Debian

2006-02-27 Thread Sven Luther
clude an URL to wherever such a patch is in the README.Debian of the packages, should be enough. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Pkg-xen-devel] Re: Packaing Xen 3.0 etc for Debian

2006-02-27 Thread Sven Luther
e some kind of external patch to the kernel floating around, and having no cooperation between the XEN team and the kernel team will kind of encourage people to build their own xen kernel from mainline upstream sources, which i believe is not what we want. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, em

Re: More polls and social pressure

2006-02-22 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 04:03:09PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Wed, Feb 22, 2006 at 09:43:23AM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > [ Reply-to debian-project ] > > > > Hi everybody, > > > > given the size of the project, it's very difficult for any of us to

Re: More polls and social pressure

2006-02-22 Thread Sven Luther
any kind of pressure and strategic choices can be made if they are open, not that this would be the case for us, us being all nice folk and everyone, but everyone can read those public poll information, and some of those may be less nice :) I strongly vote for this idea in any case. Friendly, Sven Lut

Re: Honesty in Debian (was Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-14 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 11:43:27PM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote: > On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 03:54:23PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > No, like chosing ati over nvidia for graphic cards, or silicon image over > > others for SATA cards. > > Wait a minute, did I miss a memo? ATI is

Re: Honesty in Debian (was Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-13 Thread Sven Luther
guess that almost everyone understood what i was trying to say though. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Honesty in Debian (was Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 09:23:41AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 03:57:01PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 08:35:02AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > > > That's not correct. The project simply voted not to removed it at that >

Re: Honesty in Debian (was Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 08:35:02AM -0600, John Goerzen wrote: > On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 09:22:07AM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > I want to remind you all, that previous to the two GRs which clarified the > > meaning of what we must consider free, we had a widely disputed GR on the

Re: Honesty in Debian (was Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 10:55:57AM +0100, Xavier Roche wrote: > On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Sven Luther wrote: > > > Fonts or documentations are not softwares, for god's sake! > > everything that is not hardware is software > > So a cat is a software, or a hardware ? Do

Re: Honesty in Debian (was Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-13 Thread Sven Luther
On Mon, Feb 13, 2006 at 09:37:31AM +0100, Xavier Roche wrote: > On Mon, 13 Feb 2006, Sven Luther wrote: > > Nope, but i think those who try to hide the issue of non-free material in > > main, by insisting that it is not software > > Fonts or documentations are not soft

Re: Honesty in Debian (was Re: Amendment to GR on GFDL, and the changes to the Social Contract

2006-02-13 Thread Sven Luther
let-s-delay-this-for-sarge-only confirmation GR). Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Deadline for amendments to the GR

2006-02-03 Thread Sven Luther
eriod, and then open > the door for people to call for votes. Hi, ... a single line telling us the title or the URL of the GR in question would have been welcome. I guess this means there is only one GR open, but still it would have been neat to clarify this :) Friendly, Sven Luther

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-21 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 03:44:12AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Sven Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Sat, Jan 21, 2006 at 01:53:26AM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > >> Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> > >>

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-21 Thread Sven Luther
o do uploads to ubuntu also ? How many is most in this case ? Do they also know about it ? I mean i was never proposed to make ubuntu maintenance of my packages for example, so i wonder how this works. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-20 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 10:46:51AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:24:57PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > In practice, it doesn't work out to mean the same thing, however. Most o

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-20 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 10:54:40AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:35:55PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > > Arg, and to make matters worse, this discussion is CCed to a > > closed-moderated-list, Matt, this is really not a friendly way to have a > >

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-20 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:24:57PM +0100, Sven Luther wrote: > On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 09:20:33AM -0800, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2006 at 07:08:38PM +1100, Matthew Palmer wrote: > > > I keep hearing this, but I really don't believe it. In Debian, > &g

Re: For those who care about their packages in Ubuntu

2006-01-20 Thread Sven Luther
will have some trouble checking and testing any possible fix, not having a ubuntu install done. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: bits from the release team

2006-01-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 01:11:00PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Sven Luther wrote: > > For the installer, sure, but the generation of the d-i kernel .udebs is only > > marginally of their relevance, and furthermore they don't want the > > responsability associated with it, a

Re: bits from the release team

2006-01-04 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 12:39:09PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > * Sven Luther > > | I believe it has also an influence on the place where the source package is > | ohold (alioth svn repo over whatever strange stuff ubuntu uses), and they > said > | we should use their syste

Re: bits from the release team

2006-01-04 Thread Sven Luther
mportant and core d-i work. > > d-i is only a part of the problem anyway, and i believe the less > > problematic. > > out-of-tree modules and third-party patches are a worse mess. > > Hm, which out-of-tree modules do you consider to be release critical, > i.e. we canno

Re: bits from the release team

2006-01-04 Thread Sven Luther
s issue, and always being second-guessed and criticized by external folk who think they know best, is definitively something i am not happy about, and i guess that may probably show in the tone of those mails. Damn it, we are trying to make live easier for both the release team and the d-i team, and the

Re: bits from the release team

2006-01-03 Thread Sven Luther
and i believe it is maybe best so for both involved. There can be cooperation without sharing all the infrastructure and packaging. Other less high-profile daughter-distros are probably simply reusing the debian kernel, and this is probably the best way of doing this. Friendly, Sven Luther -

Re: bits from the release team

2006-01-03 Thread Sven Luther
L's kernel, or collaborate with them to maintain a > stable kernel tree, or something? Why doesn't debian really collaborate with ubuntu on the kernels, which would be more natural. Debian use mostly the mainline upstream kernels, which is where everything goes back in anyway, so ... Frie

Re: bits from the release team

2006-01-03 Thread Sven Luther
not to acceptable, so this would be a bug to be fixed. But yes, udev is the problematic case, altough i run 2.6.14 with sarge udev and it works. Friendly, Sven Luther -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: bits from the release team

2006-01-03 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 06:04:39PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Sven Luther wrote: > > Indeed. The d-i team usually says "no" outright to any kind of proposal of > > this kind, so it is up to the kernel team to come up with an implementation > > which convinces them :)

Re: bits from the release team

2006-01-03 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 12:13:37AM +0100, Frans Pop wrote: > On Tuesday 03 January 2006 23:52, Sven Luther wrote: > > The current proposal is about simply using the same .udeb organisation > > and move it inside the linux-2.6 common package, which is something > > that wo

Re: bits from the release team

2006-01-03 Thread Sven Luther
On Tue, Jan 03, 2006 at 06:09:18PM -0500, Joey Hess wrote: > Sven Luther wrote: > > And have you added stable-security into the equation ? Your choices of back > > in > > april are in part responsible for the abysmal situation in stable-security > > with regard to kerne

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