Re: Make /tmp/ a tmpfs and cleanup /var/tmp/ on a timer by default [was: Re: systemd: tmpfiles.d not cleaning /var/tmp by default]

2024-05-27 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, May 06, 2024 at 07:42:11AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Historically, deleting anything in /var/tmp that hadn't been accessed in > over seven days was a perfectly reasonable and typical configuration. > These days, we have the complication that it's fairly common to turn off > atime updates

Re: Do not plan to support /usr/lib/pam.d for Debian pam

2023-09-16 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, Sep 15, 2023 at 02:08:06PM -0600, Sam Hartman wrote: > > > Apropos of the discussion about removing default configuration from > /etc. > Upstream PAM now supports doing that. You can set up a vendor directory > such as /usr/lib where pam.d and security live. What are other distributions

Re: HFS/HFS+ are insecure

2023-07-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 10:21:47AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > Quoting Matthew Garrett (2023-07-22 09:54:59) > > On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 03:41:58PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > > > Disabling auto-mounting and for manual GUI mounts, requesting users > > > confirm the

Re: HFS/HFS+ are insecure

2023-07-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Sat, Jul 22, 2023 at 03:41:58PM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > That still potentially exposes insecure code to untrusted data, just in > a user context rather than a kernel context. The same goes for uml + > fuse + namespaces, and even guestfs VMs. You can move the data and code > to different conte

Re: HFS/HFS+ are insecure

2023-07-21 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Fri, Jul 21, 2023 at 10:55:39AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > Unless somebody has a better idea then then my plan is to ship in the > next upload of kmod a file in /etc/modprobe.d/ which uses the blacklist > directive to prevent automatically loading some file system modules. I think this wou

Re: HFS/HFS+ are insecure

2023-07-21 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 07:56:12PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > Package: src:linux > Severity: normal > > You are totally correct. > Kernel team, please blacklist HFS/HFS+ for automounting. Isn't this a userland policy decision? udisks will happily trigger a module load for hfsplus if udev has i

Re: The future of mipsel port

2023-07-18 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Jul 18, 2023 at 12:45:51PM +0800, YunQiang Su wrote: > Known supported hardwares: > MIPS P5600 > Ingenic X2000 > Loongson 3A4000 This sounds reasonable, but do you have a list of hardware currently supported by the mipsel port that would be left unsupported by this?

Re: systmd-analyze security as a release goal

2023-07-14 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 08:03:39PM +0200, Timo Röhling wrote: > qemu is basically an interpreter for foreign machine code. If your > threat model allows access to qemu-user-static for an attacker, they > can run pretty much any binary is if it were native, and the whole > SystemCallArchitectures h

Re: Producing verifiable initramfs images

2020-02-06 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 12:07 AM Anthony DeRobertis wrote: > > An interesting challenge you've taken up, I fear it's going to be a lot > of work. Heh. It's work we're doing internally, so it'd be good to get it into an upstream-acceptable form. > On almost all of my older installs, the initramfs

Re: Salsa CI news

2020-02-06 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Wed, Feb 5, 2020 at 4:33 PM Dmitry Smirnov wrote: > Second, it that binary build, the way it is compiled upstream, would never be > accepted by ftp-masters due to lack of some sources in Debian "main". > That's what I called problem with DFSG compliance. It's worth remembering that Debian infr

Re: EFI in Debian

2012-07-09 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 12:26:49PM -0400, Ted Ts'o wrote: > On Mon, Jul 09, 2012 at 04:48:38PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: > > Hey, it's hardly my fault that nobody else bothered turning up to the > > well-advertised events where this got discussed... > > If it&#

Re: EFI in Debian

2012-07-09 Thread Matthew Garrett
machine has been hacked", but I'm not convinced that's a great strategy. -- Matthew Garrett | mj...@srcf.ucam.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/e1sogcu-0007me...@chiark.greenend.org.uk

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-26 Thread Matthew Garrett
hat support async notifications. Is that code not working for you? -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59-chiark.mail.debian.de...@srcf.ucam.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-23 Thread Matthew Garrett
provide notification of media change without any polling being involved. -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59-chiark.mail.debian.de...@srcf.ucam.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-23 Thread Matthew Garrett
Standard PATA optical drives, typically connected to an Intel southbridge running in piix mode. -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59-chiark.mail.debian.de...@srcf.ucam.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote: >Michael Biebl wrote: >> It makes no measurable difference here on my laptop (nx7000) running Debian >> Lenny. > >ok, this confirm also Matthew Garrett analysis, and it is good. >But so why powertop reccomend to disable pooling? powertop makes

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
s. No, they're not comparable. The difference in power draw between active and idle in modern GPUs can be on the order of 10-20W. That's not the case for ATA hardware, and even if it were we don't do anything to idle the chipsets at the moment. -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59-chiark.m

Re: RFA: acpi-support -- glue layer for translating laptop buttons, plus legacy suspend support

2009-04-22 Thread Matthew Garrett
difference power consumption wise. > >If it requires the drive to be spun up (due to limitations in the firmware), >it most certainly does. This is (by far) the uncommon case. Blacklisting drives where this does happen seems reasonable. -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59-chiark.mail.debian.de...

Re: lrmi vs new kernels vs libx86

2009-03-08 Thread Matthew Garrett
Thanks, I'll take a look at those. -- Matthew Garrett | mj...@srcf.ucam.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: lrmi vs new kernels vs libx86

2009-03-08 Thread Matthew Garrett
will also work on amd64. -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59-chiark.mail.debian.de...@srcf.ucam.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org

Re: lrmi vs new kernels vs libx86

2009-03-08 Thread Matthew Garrett
Evgeni Golov wrote: >On Sun, 08 Mar 2009 17:17:44 +0000 Matthew Garrett wrote: > >> >All other (incl David), is there any interest in forking libx86 and >> >using it globally instead of fixing that ftbfs 7 times? >> >> You could just send a patch to libx86 up

Re: lrmi vs new kernels vs libx86

2009-03-08 Thread Matthew Garrett
Evgeni Golov wrote: >All other (incl David), is there any interest in forking libx86 and >using it globally instead of fixing that ftbfs 7 times? You could just send a patch to libx86 upstream, you know... -- Matthew Garrett | mjg59-chiark.mail.debian.de...@srcf.ucam.org -- To UNSUB

Re: Bug#501137: ITP: acerfand -- Control the fan of the Acer Aspire One

2008-10-07 Thread Matthew Garrett
he temperature and misinterprets it as requiring a critical thermal shutdown. Lockups are certainly possible, and it's just about conceivable that you could cause hardware damage - though that's a bit of a stretch. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMA

Re: Bug#501137: ITP: acerfand -- Control the fan of the Acer Aspire One

2008-10-04 Thread Matthew Garrett
access, so there's a risk of racing and trashing the contents of other registers. This should really be implemented as a kernel driver using either the hwmon or thermal interfaces and a generic fan control daemon implemented on top of that. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] --

Re: Debian on the Desktop - plans for Lenny?

2007-08-09 Thread Matthew Garrett
an a CPU at 1.2GHz but in C4. It's more important to finish whatever the CPU is doing quickly than it is to keep it at a low speed. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: making debian/copyright machine-interpretable

2007-08-04 Thread Matthew Garrett
e "a GPLv3 application may make use of CDDLed libraries" sense. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Getting Debian to use less power?

2007-05-12 Thread Matthew Garrett
anyway. You need 2.6.21 for this to be any practical use. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: packages newer in Ubuntu than in Debian

2007-05-01 Thread Matthew Garrett
one or two that should probably be orphaned or removed due to lack of upstream development, but I'll check the status of them. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: P3 capabilities (was dselect memory use)

2007-02-13 Thread Matthew Garrett
me of the low-end Pentium Ms. I guess Celerons may be missing it as well. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Ondemand governor by default in etch

2006-12-09 Thread Matthew Garrett
Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matthew Garrett wrote: >> p4-clockmod is entirely useless. It's high-latency and doesn't drop the >> core voltage. > > Nice. Is there a good alternative for P4 machines? Is the ACPI one any > better (assumi

Re: Ondemand governor by default in etch

2006-12-08 Thread Matthew Garrett
Anthony DeRobertis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > driver: p4-clockmod p4-clockmod is entirely useless. It's high-latency and doesn't drop the core voltage. Deeper C states (C3/C4) will save more power, so the only reason to have it loaded at all is to support thermal throt

Re: On including 64-bit libs in 32-bit packages (see #344104)

2006-10-30 Thread Matthew Garrett
Bill Allombert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 07:30:47PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> Bear in mind that the 64-bit kernel doesn't offer all the functionality >> that the 32-bit one does. vm86 is the most obvious thing missing. > > and it

Re: Bug#396117: ITP: cpufreq-detect -- detect CPU frequency control driver

2006-10-30 Thread Matthew Garrett
le reduction in interactive performance. When I worked on that script originally, I decided that anyone who wanted that could just add p4_clockmod to /etc/modules. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". T

Re: On including 64-bit libs in 32-bit packages (see #344104)

2006-10-24 Thread Matthew Garrett
emu instead of vm86. > > Or am I missing something? The x86emu code doesn't get built on i386, does it? It doesn't look like the INT10_VM86 and INT10_X86EMU conditionals can both be set simultaneously. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMA

Re: On including 64-bit libs in 32-bit packages (see #344104)

2006-10-23 Thread Matthew Garrett
work happily, but there's no guarantee that the x86emu emulation is strictly accurate. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: On including 64-bit libs in 32-bit packages (see #344104)

2006-10-23 Thread Matthew Garrett
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 23, 2006 at 07:30:47PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> Bear in mind that the 64-bit kernel doesn't offer all the functionality >> that the 32-bit one does. vm86 is the most obvious thing missing. > > [8:23am

Re: On including 64-bit libs in 32-bit packages (see #344104)

2006-10-23 Thread Matthew Garrett
hit the kernel team till they apply the > patch. :) Bear in mind that the 64-bit kernel doesn't offer all the functionality that the 32-bit one does. vm86 is the most obvious thing missing. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a s

Re: Remove cdrtools

2006-08-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 16-Aug-06, 19:23 (CDT), Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Yeah, wanting to use functionality when it's available is always a >> dreadful idea. Far better to reimplement it locally in order to ensure >

Re: Remove cdrtools

2006-08-16 Thread Matthew Garrett
dea. Far better to reimplement it locally in order to ensure that we have more copies of it to fix should there ever be any sort of security flaw. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-28 Thread Matthew Garrett
in order to provide a more complete solution for a more narrow use case. It's not possible to simultaneously believe that Debian's flexibility is what makes it worthwhile, and that the fact that other projects treat Debian as a supermarket is a bad thing. One or the other. -- Matthew

Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?

2006-07-28 Thread Matthew Garrett
of time I currently have available to me, I tend to choose the latter. If Debian had slightly less of a culture of "Keep your hands off my package", I'd do it here instead. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject o

Re: lilypond and python

2006-07-25 Thread Matthew Garrett
e will be willing to submit a patch or NMU it for you. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Matthew Garrett
27;t it be a good thing to remove all the circular > depends that are not neccessary? Wouldn't it be a better thing to fix the bug and have deterministic software? -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Getting rid of circular dependencies, stage 5

2006-07-25 Thread Matthew Garrett
David Weinehall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, if foo depends on foo-data, and foo-data depends on foo, I find > it really hard to see the point of splitting the two into distinctive > packages... foo-data can often be arch: all, saving mirror space. -- Matthew Garrett | [

Re: Bits from the Package Tracking System

2006-07-18 Thread Matthew Garrett
ted in improving Ubuntu than Debian, and just added the > following rules to my .procmailrc: How does dropping potentially useful patches improve Debian? -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: cdrtools

2006-07-12 Thread Matthew Garrett
Erast Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 2006-07-12 at 01:02 +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> 1) The GPL requires that all scripts used to control compilation and >> installation of the executable be released under terms compatible with >> the GPL. > >

Re: cdrtools

2006-07-11 Thread Matthew Garrett
#x27;s absolutely great. Is there any sort of announcement of this anywhere? Thanks, -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: cdrtools

2006-07-11 Thread Matthew Garrett
;s worth, I have no great objection to the CDDL. Most of the aspects of it that people claim to be unhappy with are also in the MPL, and we still ship Mozilla quite happily. Yes, I know that most of Mozilla is also available under the GPL. I don't really see why that's relevant...) --

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
ibution. Like Mozilla. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
compile a piece of software. You don't > need to distribute openwatcom to anyone to fall within this clause. Ok, but it still needs to be modified. Are you suggesting that the freedom to produce a binary that can't be recompiled by anyone else is a necessary freedom? -- Matthew G

Re: ITP: openwatcom -- C/C++ compiler and IDE that produce efficient, portable code

2006-07-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
watcom and distribute that modified version (even internally), you must provide the source code to the modified version to the public. Some people may find that objectionable, but it doesn't appear to mean what you claim. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, emai

Re: Debian mactel linux support?

2006-06-30 Thread Matthew Garrett
etting. You can, but you can't get into the firmware interface without having blessed a file first. Which needs MacOS right now. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Debian mactel linux support?

2006-06-29 Thread Matthew Garrett
x27;bless', I hope I can find > out as I delve deeper. You can't. Intel Mac blessing is different to traditional HFS stuff - it's not too difficult to do the blessing, but we have no way of generating HFS+ filesystems without resorting to APSLed code and that seems to be

Re: One can not guess if somebody is willing to accept private mails or not...

2006-06-07 Thread Matthew Garrett
ttacks for no obvious reason whatsoever[1]? If not, why did you post it? [1] As a hint for answering this question, consider the amount of private mail received by Anthony. Consider the amount of it that has been published on his blog. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSC

Re: Who can make binding legal agreements

2006-06-07 Thread Matthew Garrett
ing him a private mail discussing your concerns would work better? -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Non-DD's in debian-legal

2006-06-05 Thread Matthew Garrett
peak on behalf of Debian emailing him back. The DPL chose to clarify that Walter was not in a position to speak on behalf of Debian, presumably because he felt that there had been potential for confusion. Does that seem unreasonable? -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, e

Re: Non-DD's in debian-legal

2006-06-05 Thread Matthew Garrett
" Starting with "What is key for Debian" makes it sound like a policy statement on behalf of Debian, and "Just fix the license" could then be interpreted as a demand from Debian that Sun alter the license. In that context, it seems reasonable to point out that Walter is not

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-04 Thread Matthew Garrett
it. > > His message also was much more than that, which aj totally dismissed. The post was phrased in an unnecessarily hostile manner. There should be no expectation for people to usefully respond to that sort of thing. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE

Re: The correct use of debian-devel

2006-06-04 Thread Matthew Garrett
y say "If you are not participating in Debian development, you do not get to make demands of the project". Being in NM is one way of showing that you're participating in Debian development, but there are several others - including making useful contributions to the debian-devel mai

Re: Sun Java available from non-free

2006-06-04 Thread Matthew Garrett
d to? Mike demanded that the DPL perform certain actions. Suggesting that somebody actually get involved in Debian before making demands of its leadership isn't unreasonable. Alternatively, it could be phrased as a request. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: adding ddccontrol to debian

2006-06-01 Thread Matthew Garrett
? That would require the kernel to be able to speak DDC to every video card one of these devices could be plugged into. At the moment, it can't. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Re: Please revoke your signatures from Martin Kraff's keys

2006-05-28 Thread Matthew Garrett
ific or legally binding officialness that we are > signing and interchaning keys based on ID cards. If there's anyone who should be revoking signatures, it's the people who are signing keys without being fairly certain that they belong to the correct person. This really shouldn'

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Matthew Garrett
hibaut Varene - are you sure you're not confused? Friendly, -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Matthew Garrett
er than wasting list bandwidth, please consult a solicitor. I have absolutely no interest in starting legal action against Sven. And rather than wasting /my/ bandwidth, would you please not Cc me on replies? -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] wi

Re: removal of svenl from the project

2006-03-15 Thread Matthew Garrett
(I can provide links if you can't believe me). Sven has insulted me and accused me of engaging in a conspiracy against him and his employers in order to cover up my own incompetence on more than one occasion without any hint of an apology. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To

Re: DFSG4 and combined works [was: Anton's amendment]

2006-02-07 Thread Matthew Garrett
A doesn't explicitly permit us to use "patch files" or any > other work based on A for the purpose of modifying the sources of > another program, in our case B. If the license forbids the use of modified code in other works, then it's plainly not a free license. -- Ma

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-18 Thread Matthew Garrett
y reasonable thing to do now that I'm aware of it. Ah, my apologies. I'd assumed it was something that you'd probably have thought about, so I'll happily withdraw that. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: Ironies abound (was Re: GPL v3 draft)

2006-01-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
I do apologise. These should plainly have been on -legal. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Ironies abound (was Re: GPL v3 draft)

2006-01-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 03:21:14AM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> I'm not going to defend patch clauses. I think they're massively >> horrible things, and the world would be a better place without them. But >> de

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 07:32:20PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> Have they modified these packages? > > > > Some of them, yes. Mostly the backports. > > What happens to the maintainer field in the

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
On Tue, Jan 17, 2006 at 07:23:41PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell BSG wrote: > Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > The DCCA distribution is a mixture of packages from Sarge plus some > > backports. In all cases, the Maintainer: field appears to be the same as > >

Re: Ironies abound (was Re: GPL v3 draft)

2006-01-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
Don Armstrong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 18 Jan 2006, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> Patch clauses only prohibit code reuse if your build system is >> insufficiently complicated. > > And you are willing to contain an entire copy of the codebase from > which y

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Other than, say, the DCC Alliance? > > I wasn't aware of them until just now. :) Wow! > Interestingly, the DCC Alliance says that it wants to become part of >

Re: [ad-hominem construct deleted]

2006-01-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > mdz writes: >> Have you ever received such a notification? > > Yes. I haven't. I'm going to cry now :-((( -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of

Re: Debian derivatives and the Maintainer: field (again)

2006-01-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
Thomas Bushnell BSG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No other Debian derivative, as far as I'm aware, says that it > cooperates fully with Debian. Other than, say, the DCC Alliance? -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Dissection of an Ubuntu PR message

2006-01-13 Thread Matthew Garrett
that the US government gives back to Debian? Do we say that your > employer gives back to Debian? If it's an authorised use of company time, sure. Whether or not it is in this case, I don't know. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTE

Re: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=265920

2006-01-09 Thread Matthew Garrett
s", they've said "If you report a bug to Debian and nobody forwards it, we know nothing about it". -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-09 Thread Matthew Garrett
S service. Thanks, Sourceforge) -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Need for launchpad

2006-01-06 Thread Matthew Garrett
f > launchpad which is better. Again, I think it would do a good job keeping > everything organized an efficient. Launchpad is currently non-free, so it doesn't seem terribly likely. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a s

Re: Size matters. Debian binary package stats

2006-01-06 Thread Matthew Garrett
dless of whether you download 1GB or 20GB in a month. Therefore, as long as the increase in traffic doesn't saturate your line, the cost per GB is 0. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: dependencies on makedev

2005-12-29 Thread Matthew Garrett
plain text configuration files has never been the Unix way, and vi certainly isn't a standard unix tool. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Thoughts on Debian quality, including automated testing

2005-12-21 Thread Matthew Garrett
y of my packages. I'd be even happier if anyone who did so was willing to enter into some sort of reciprocal agreement. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: QPL and non-free

2005-12-20 Thread Matthew Garrett
Matthew Garrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Francesco Poli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> That is completely irrelevant. The FSF doesn't use the DFSG as freeness >> guidelines. > > But the DFSG are intended to be a more detailed description of what fre

Re: QPL and non-free

2005-12-20 Thread Matthew Garrett
ivergent from the FSF's viewpoint, we need to figure out how and why. Having two different definitions of free software does nothing to help the community. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: QPL and non-free

2005-12-20 Thread Matthew Garrett
FDL, > but the FDL is non-DFSG-free in the general case. I don't think the FSF have ever claimed that the GFDL would class as a free software license. Their standards for free documentation licenses are clearly different to the DFSG. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNS

Re: congratulations to our ftp-master team

2005-12-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
obvious target. How about dealing with some more significant problems? -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: /run vs /var/run (was: Please test new sysvinit)

2005-12-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
Steve Langasek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Dec 18, 2005 at 03:57:35AM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> Under Linux, can't all of this be done with mount --move anyway? I'm not >> convinced that we actually need a /run any more. > > So you would hav

Re: /run vs /var/run (was: Please test new sysvinit)

2005-12-17 Thread Matthew Garrett
ything else should go in /var/run. Under Linux, can't all of this be done with mount --move anyway? I'm not convinced that we actually need a /run any more. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-09 Thread Matthew Garrett
e for developers to be ejected from the project. If you feel that anyone is behaving in a way that would not have allowed them to get through NM, then please do invoke it. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: buildd administration

2005-12-09 Thread Matthew Garrett
ut >> of things"? > > How many developer resignations will you need to understand inaction > from people at key positions sucks the fun out of things in a worse way? Reading these threads makes me want to resign. WILL YOU NOT THINK OF THE CHILDREN? -- Matthew Garrett | [EMA

Re: Announcement: Common Power-Management Framework

2005-12-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
rivileges, which means that some amount of policy has to be determined by processes running as the user. It's also important that this sort of thing can only be controlled by an appropriate user - if I'm logged in on a background VT, I shouldn't be able to trigger power management st

Re: Announcement: Common Power-Management Framework

2005-12-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
ose the lid is a per-user preference. The length of time before an idle system suspends is a per-user preference. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Announcement: Common Power-Management Framework

2005-12-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
other packages c) Should be configurable in terms of default response to actions d) Should (optionally) get out of the way if a user runs a power management daemon 2) Define a mechanism for packages to drop scripts into this framework 3) Ensure that packages like gnome-power-manager and whateve

Re: Announcement: Common Power-Management Framework

2005-12-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
figured for a server-type environment. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Announcement: Common Power-Management Framework

2005-12-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
#x27;d argue that it needs to be possible for configuration to be done on a per-user basis (you wouldn't believe the degree of argument over whether closing the lid of a laptop should trigger a suspend or not) -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-23 Thread Matthew Garrett
ebian archive >> > (to be added to dinstall at some point). > > [Matthew Garrett] >> The answer is "all of them", so this one's not very compelling. [Someone with a horrid, horrid quoting style] > What? All Ubuntu .deb files went through ftp-master.debian

Re: dpkg-sig support wanted?

2005-11-23 Thread Matthew Garrett
The answer is "all of them", so this one's not very compelling. -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: I am still on the keyring. With my old key.

2005-11-23 Thread Matthew Garrett
n is insane, and bringing it up in such a hostile manner (not to mention attempting to use it to claim that the DPL team don't care about your particular issue) isn't going to result in it being fixed faster. Instead, it's going to result in people assuming that you're some s

Re: sugarcrm licence issue

2005-11-10 Thread Matthew Garrett
Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Nov 10, 2005 at 05:42:07PM +, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> This is based on the contents of their copyright files. Can we please >> stop this "The only code under the MPL is Mozilla" argument? > > It's

Re: Request: Source for parts of GNU/Solaris

2005-11-09 Thread Matthew Garrett
sues rather than ignoring them. I'll remain optimistic for a while) -- Matthew Garrett | [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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