Re: Bits from DPL

2024-09-04 Thread Charles Plessy
Following what I wrote on removals and the discussion on DEP 18, I think that the following would be very neat: - Packages are on Salsa, - moving the source repository to a special group called 'removed' removes the package from Unstable. - reverting the move of the source repository reverts

Re: Bits from DPL

2024-09-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Wednesday, September 4, 2024 6:22:14 PM EDT Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > Scott Kitterman wrote on 04/09/2024 at 06:23:50+0200: > > On Monday, September 2, 2024 11:23:30 AM EDT Andreas Tille wrote: > > ... > > > >> While I’ve read several emails in agreement, Scott Kitterman made a > >> valid

Re: Bits from DPL

2024-09-04 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Scott Kitterman wrote on 04/09/2024 at 06:23:50+0200: > On Monday, September 2, 2024 11:23:30 AM EDT Andreas Tille wrote: > ... >> While I’ve read several emails in agreement, Scott Kitterman made a >> valid point[ru4]: "I don't think we need more process. We just need >> someone to do the work o

Re: lintian.debian.org off ?

2024-09-04 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Hi, Holger Levsen wrote on 04/09/2024 at 09:34:53+0200: > On Wed, Sep 04, 2024 at 08:21:04AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: >> After lintian.debian.org went unmaintained (beginning of 2022) > [...] >> After providing stale data for a long time, which confused many people, >> lintian.debian.org was

Re: lintian.debian.org off ?

2024-09-04 Thread Pierre-Elliott Bécue
Soren Stoutner wrote on 04/09/2024 at 08:30:39+0200: > On Tuesday, September 3, 2024 11:21:04 PM MST Lucas Nussbaum wrote: >> After lintian.debian.org went unmaintained (beginning of 2022) and it >> was clear noone was going to adopt it, I worked on a UDD-backed >> replacement (in July 2022, see

Bug#1080483: ITP: q6voiced -- userspace daemon for the QDSP6 voice call audio driver

2024-09-04 Thread erebion
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: erebion X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, ereb...@erebion.eu, ereb...@erebion.eu * Package name : q6voiced Version : git20240607 Upstream Contact: uknown, currently researching * URL : https://gitlab.com/postmarketOS/q6voiced * License : MIT P

Bug#1080482: ITP: lpac -- cross-platform local profile agent program that allows managing an eSIM/eUICC, compatible with SGP.22

2024-09-04 Thread erebion
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: erebion X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, ereb...@erebion.eu, ereb...@erebion.eu * Package name : lpac Version : 2.1.0 Upstream Contact: eSTK.me Group * URL : https://github.com/estkme-group/lpac * License : AGPL, LGPL Programming Lang: C Des

Re: Community survey on network stack for Trixie

2024-09-04 Thread Daniel Baumann
sorry, one more.. On 9/4/24 18:00, Lukas Märdian wrote: > But we ought to look at the bigger picture! >From that point of view, it doesn't make sense to even consider netplan. No distribution other than ubuntu is using it. If Debian uses network-manager and systemd-networkd, there's hardly any d

Re: Community survey on network stack for Trixie

2024-09-04 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 9/4/24 18:00, Lukas Märdian wrote: >> Of course we could. But who would actually care? > > That's exactly the problem! I don't think so. I still have the impression that netplan wants to fill a whole where in reality there's none. In my experience networking from a systems point of view has d

Re: Community survey on network stack for Trixie

2024-09-04 Thread James Lu
On 2024-09-04 08:03, Lukas Märdian wrote: Hi all! On 04.09.24 15:46, Marc Haber wrote: On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 11:27:45 +0200, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote: * Marco d'Itri [240903 14:04]: My position is that I am happy for Debian to have the option of netplan but I do not think that it should be ins

Re: lintian.debian.org off ?

2024-09-04 Thread Serafeim (Serafi) Zanikolas
On Wed Sep 4, 2024 at 8:21 AM CEST, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: [..] > Also, I don't want to sound like I'm telling someone how to contribute > to Debian, but it looks to me like there are more urgent issues to solve > around lintian... lintian's in perl and Nicolas already pointed out that he's not fam

Re: Community survey on network stack for Trixie

2024-09-04 Thread Daniel Baumann
On 9/4/24 17:49, Lukas Märdian wrote: > Netplan is for the average user who googles about "how to configure network > on debian" and ends up with the "4 ways to configure the network" > [4ways] or > even more options in the Debian Reference [debref]: so, to exaggerate on purpose, netplan is only t

Re: Community survey on network stack for Trixie

2024-09-04 Thread Bjørn Mork
Lukas Märdian writes: > But in the end we don't want to bloat our base-installation with > NetworkManager and systemd-networkd is not fit to cover the desktop/laptop > usecase. So why not put some glue around it, to make it all feel coherent, > without limiting anybody in their decision to choose

HEADS-UP: removing support for dhclient in NetworkManager

2024-09-04 Thread Michael Biebl
Hi, so far the Debian network-manager package has been built with support for dhclient (isc-dhcp-client). In version 1.49.90-1 (1.50 rc1), I decided to disable support for dhclient. This has been triggered by the following upstream change: https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/Networ

Re: Community survey on network stack for Trixie

2024-09-04 Thread Lukas Märdian
On 04.09.24 17:26, Marco d'Itri wrote: With Netplan we could provide coherent network configuration across all variants of Debian (server, cloud, laptop, ...), while choosing the best underlying stack for the usecase (i.e. systemd-networkd on server/cloud and NetworkManager on desktop/laptop). O

Re: Community survey on network stack for Trixie

2024-09-04 Thread Lukas Märdian
On 04.09.24 13:28, Daniel Baumann wrote: On 9/3/24 18:24, Lukas Märdian wrote: The nice thing about Netplan is that it [...] functions as a layer on top. I don't understand what actual problem netplan is trying to solve. On servers I want systemd-networkd directly anyway (for lacp, vlan and b

Re: Community survey on network stack for Trixie

2024-09-04 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Sep 04, Lukas Märdian wrote: > With Netplan we could provide coherent network configuration across all > variants of Debian (server, cloud, laptop, ...), while choosing the best > underlying stack for the usecase (i.e. systemd-networkd on server/cloud > and NetworkManager on desktop/laptop). O

Re: Community survey on network stack for Trixie

2024-09-04 Thread Lukas Märdian
Hi all! On 04.09.24 15:46, Marc Haber wrote: On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 11:27:45 +0200, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote: * Marco d'Itri [240903 14:04]: My position is that I am happy for Debian to have the option of netplan but I do not think that it should be installed by default, because it is an abstrac

Re: Community survey on network stack for Trixie

2024-09-04 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Marc Haber (2024-09-04 15:43:15) > On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 13:28:30 +0200, Daniel Baumann > wrote: > >On 9/3/24 18:24, Lukas Märdian wrote: > >> The nice thing about Netplan is that it [...] functions as a > >> layer on top. > > > >I don't understand what actual problem netplan is trying to sol

Re: Community survey on network stack for Trixie

2024-09-04 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 11:27:45 +0200, Chris Hofstaedtler wrote: >* Marco d'Itri [240903 14:04]: >> My position is that I am happy for Debian to have the option of netplan >> but I do not think that it should be installed by default, because it is >> an abstraction which adds complexity and that no

Re: Community survey on network stack for Trixie

2024-09-04 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, 4 Sep 2024 13:28:30 +0200, Daniel Baumann wrote: >On 9/3/24 18:24, Lukas Märdian wrote: >> The nice thing about Netplan is that it [...] functions as a >> layer on top. > >I don't understand what actual problem netplan is trying to solve. I am also missing that piece of information. At th

Re: Community survey on network stack for Trixie

2024-09-04 Thread Daniel Baumann
Hi, On 9/3/24 18:24, Lukas Märdian wrote: > The nice thing about Netplan is that it [...] functions as a > layer on top. I don't understand what actual problem netplan is trying to solve. On servers I want systemd-networkd directly anyway (for lacp, vlan and bridges), and on end-user desktops I'

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

2024-09-04 Thread Ahmed Siam
Hi! On Wed, Sep 4, 2024 at 12:39 PM PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel wrote: > > Hello, > > > Well, I didn't mean we should *give up* decentralization. I mean we > > shouldn't > > give up *centralization*. These examples are to prove centralization > > actually > > works and is quite common, sometimes ne

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

2024-09-04 Thread Blair Noctis
On 04/09/2024 17:21, PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel wrote: > Hello, > >> Well, I didn't mean we should *give up* decentralization. I mean we shouldn't >> give up *centralization*. These examples are to prove centralization actually >> works and is quite common, sometimes necessary. > > It would be great

Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

2024-09-04 Thread PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel
Hello, > Well, I didn't mean we should *give up* decentralization. I mean we shouldn't > give up *centralization*. These examples are to prove centralization actually > works and is quite common, sometimes necessary. It would be great if we could run the salsa-ci pipeline localy easily, in chroo

Re: Community survey on network stack for Trixie

2024-09-04 Thread Chris Hofstaedtler
* Marco d'Itri [240903 14:04]: > My position is that I am happy for Debian to have the option of netplan > but I do not think that it should be installed by default, because it is > an abstraction which adds complexity and that nobody asked for other > than its developers. > > And this is an o

Re: Re: Network stack for Trixie

2024-09-04 Thread Madad AliRaja
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Re: Request for feedback on draft: DEP-18: Enable true open collaboration on all Debian packages

2024-09-04 Thread Blair Noctis
(Please send To/Cc me if you'd like to continue on this branch of conversation, I'm not subscribed to -devel, only digests.) On Wed, 04 Sep 2024 06:42:33 +0200, Jonas Smegegaard wrote: > Quoting Blair Noctis (2024-09-04 04:33:10) (...) >> > PICCA Frederic-Emmanuel writes: >> > >> >> What about dog

Re: lintian.debian.org off ?

2024-09-04 Thread Holger Levsen
On Wed, Sep 04, 2024 at 08:21:04AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > After lintian.debian.org went unmaintained (beginning of 2022) [...] > After providing stale data for a long time, which confused many people, > lintian.debian.org was shutdown in September 2023. in Debian timeframes, this is basica

Re: lintian.debian.org off ?

2024-09-04 Thread Otto Kekäläinen
Hi! Thanks both Lucas and Nicolas for your contributions to Debian. Can we agree to have both UDD and lintian.debian.org, as the work to develop the required systems already happened? I think both websites have their benefits. Having a lintian.debian.org site with links to man pages and addition