Quoting Emilio Pozuelo Monfort (2016-08-01 23:11:58)
> On 01/08/16 17:37, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> Yes, most of those activities are not in Debian - just as most of
>> shell scripts depending on Zsh is not in Debian, but it would still
>> be a bad idea to kick that package judging from its reve
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 12:00 AM, Guus Sliepen wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 06:58:20PM -0700, Roopa Prabhu wrote:
>
>> And, we will be very happy to work towards making ifupdown2
>> the default in Debian. If there are ways to make that happen, please let us
>> know.
>
> First, try to make it c
* Guus Sliepen , 2016-08-01, 14:01:
Virtualbox is under GPL-2 with a lot of exception, allowing it to be
used with MPL, Apache 2.0, OpenSSL.
So, LGPL-3 will be too restrictive I think for them.
It should be fine to combine GPL-2 and LGPL-3.
No, GPLv2 and LGPLv3 are not compatible:
https://w
Am 01.08.2016 um 12:48 schrieb Guus Sliepen:
> I'd say a good starting point would be to try to switch the installer to
> configuring NetworkManager or systemd-networkd, instead of generating a
> /etc/network/interfaces file.
It already does that if the network-manager packages is installed by
d-i
On 01/08/16 17:37, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Yes, most of those activities are not in Debian - just as most of shell
> scripts depending on Zsh is not in Debian, but it would still be a bad
> idea to kick that package judging from its reverse dependencies (I
> guess: I am not a Zsh user myself).
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 05:37:19PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Emilio Pozuelo Monfort (2016-08-01 16:43:06)
> > On 29/07/16 00:20, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> >> Quoting Emilio Pozuelo Monfort (2016-07-28 23:29:00)
> >>> It is high time that we remove the old GNOME python bindings. We
>
On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 12:42:39 +0200, m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote:
>On Aug 01, Adam Borowski wrote:
>
>> > We should also think hard about switching to a new default since
>> > currently many other major distributions are moving to NetworkManager
>> > and/or systemd-networkd (which nowadays
On Mon, 1 Aug 2016 12:48:26 +0200, Guus Sliepen
wrote:
>On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 12:31:14PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
>> We should also think hard about switching to a new default since
>> currently many other major distributions are moving to NetworkManager
>> and/or systemd-networkd (which now
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 09:01:20PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Aug 01, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
>
> > > Sorry, what I actually meant was "every non-toy Debian system".
> > we get that you have strong preferences. However, could you please
> > avoid inflammatory language when talking about anythi
On Aug 01, Guus Sliepen wrote:
> The time spent writing such a hypothetical tool would then be better
> spent keeping support for ifupdown in the installer for the non-Linux
> platforms.
I agree: if the Hurd/kFreeBSD porters will be able to keep sysvinit on
life support then continuing to use if
On Aug 01, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > Sorry, what I actually meant was "every non-toy Debian system".
> we get that you have strong preferences. However, could you please
> avoid inflammatory language when talking about anything that isn't
> according to your preferences?
Reasonable people should
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 04:43:27PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote:
> > Last time I looked at it, systemd-networkd required several
> > configuration files just to bring up a single interface.
>
> What were the others, beyond the .network file? This is live configuration
> from my home server, which
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On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 at 12:48:26 +0200, Guus Sliepen wrote:
> Last time I looked at it, systemd-networkd required several
> configuration files just to bring up a single interface.
What were the others, beyond the .network file? This is live configuration
from my home server, which has two network
On Mon, 01 Aug 2016 at 12:40:37 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 12:31:14PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> > We should also think hard about switching to a new default since
> > currently many other major distributions are moving to NetworkManager
> > and/or systemd-networkd (w
Quoting Emilio Pozuelo Monfort (2016-08-01 16:43:06)
> On 29/07/16 00:20, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
>> Quoting Emilio Pozuelo Monfort (2016-07-28 23:29:00)
>>> It is high time that we remove the old GNOME python bindings. We
>>> have had the "new" GObject introspection support since at least
>>> Sq
On 29/07/16 00:20, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Emilio Pozuelo Monfort (2016-07-28 23:29:00)
>> It is high time that we remove the old GNOME python bindings. We have
>> had the "new" GObject introspection support since at least Squeeze.
>> The old ones are completely unmaintained and unsuppo
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 12:42:39PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> Sorry, what I actually meant was "every non-toy Debian system".
Marco,
we get that you have strong preferences. However, could you please
avoid inflammatory language when talking about anything that isn't
according to your preference
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 11:24:46AM +, Gianfranco Costamagna wrote:
> SeaBIOS license is not used by VirtualBox,
I was just mentioning it because it is a BIOS and it is compiled by GCC,
so it was an argument that OpenWatcom is not a requirement to build
working BIOS code.
> and I think a good
Hi,
>Maybe I don't quite understand what VirtualBox upstream meant by this
>sentence, but if the SeaBIOS license does not allow modification,
>then it would not be DFSG-free, so the fact that VirtualBox is in
>contrib would actually be an error, because it should rather be in
>non-free. And that w
On 08/01/2016 12:56 PM, Gianfranco Costamagna wrote:
> We are not allowed to touch SeaBIOS for licence reasons. Not our decision.
Maybe I don't quite understand what VirtualBox upstream meant by this
sentence, but if the SeaBIOS license does not allow modification,
then it would not be DFSG-free,
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 12:42:39PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Aug 01, Adam Borowski wrote:
>
> > > We should also think hard about switching to a new default since
> > > currently many other major distributions are moving to NetworkManager
> > > and/or systemd-networkd (which nowadays is u
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Hi Guus
>I don't see that anything has changed in the past ten years, so I don't
>think a clarification will do any good. Why does VirtualBox keep relying
>on the OpenWatcom provider? There's bcc and faucc. QEMU's SeaBIOS is
>compiled with GCC (but looking at the source, all the 16-bit code is in
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 12:24:12PM +0200, Guus Sliepen wrote:
> Why does VirtualBox keep relying on the OpenWatcom provider? There's bcc
> and faucc.
AFAIK, VirtualBox upstream decided to use non-standard OpenWatcom extensions.
> QEMU's SeaBIOS is compiled with GCC (but looking at the source, al
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 12:31:14PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> We should also think hard about switching to a new default since
> currently many other major distributions are moving to NetworkManager
> and/or systemd-networkd (which nowadays is usable, works well for
> simpler use cases and wi
(I'll drop -devel starting from next email, following up on debian-legal
isntead)
>If you agree, I think it's better to ask the question instead at
>‘debian-legal’.
Hi Debian-Legal list :)
forwarding the discussion from -devel here
Basically, we thought OpenWatcom license wasn't DFSG for Debain
On Aug 01, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > We should also think hard about switching to a new default since
> > currently many other major distributions are moving to NetworkManager
> > and/or systemd-networkd (which nowadays is usable, works well for
> > simpler use cases and will be installed on ev
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 12:31:14PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Aug 01, Guus Sliepen wrote:
>
> > I see one big drawback of ifupdown2, and that is that it's written in
> > Python. Nothing wrong with that language, but it means it pulls in
> > dependencies which a minimal install currently does
On Aug 01, Guus Sliepen wrote:
> I see one big drawback of ifupdown2, and that is that it's written in
> Python. Nothing wrong with that language, but it means it pulls in
> dependencies which a minimal install currently doesn't require, which is
> not so nice for people running small VMs or embe
Hi Paul
>I didn't see a question in your mail :)
would a clear statement from them satisfy Debian standards? or should them
relicense?
>Is there any reason they can't relicense to something more standard?
Not sure, big company, legal issues, difficult to track people for changing it,
I don't
On Mon, Aug 01, 2016 at 09:44:33AM +, Gianfranco Costamagna wrote:
> Hi, this is a question mainly for ftpmasters, but I think some public
> discussion here
> might be beneficial for me :)
>
> Basically, we thought OpenWatcom license wasn't DFSG for Debain standards,
> and now since
> I wou
Gianfranco Costamagna writes:
> Hi, this is a question mainly for ftpmasters, but I think some public
> discussion here might be beneficial for me :)
IMO this is what the ‘debian-legal’ discussion group is for: to save the
many people who read ‘debian-devel’ but don't want intricate discussions
On Mon, Aug 1, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Gianfranco Costamagna wrote:
> Hi, this is a question mainly for ftpmasters, but I think some public
> discussion here
> might be beneficial for me :)
I didn't see a question in your mail :)
> Basically, we thought OpenWatcom license wasn't DFSG for Debain standa
Hi, this is a question mainly for ftpmasters, but I think some public
discussion here
might be beneficial for me :)
Basically, we thought OpenWatcom license wasn't DFSG for Debain standards, and
now since
I would like to put Virtualbox back in main, I'm trying to see if some statement
clarifying
On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 06:58:20PM -0700, Roopa Prabhu wrote:
> And, we will be very happy to work towards making ifupdown2
> the default in Debian. If there are ways to make that happen, please let us
> know.
First, try to make it compatible with 99% of the non-trivial
ifupdown configurations.
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