On 20 November 2012 12:23, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2012, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
>> I am sorry, if I was not clear. I am aware of the "last iteration",
>> but I am not enquiring about the default policy within debian as to
>> how we should upload by default.
>> I am ask
Thu, 22 Nov 2012 12:56:09 +0800 from Chow Loong Jin
> > -> What role is systemd designed to facilitate?
>
> An init daemon. But why don't you ask yourself -- what role(s) should an init
> daemon play anyway?
Thank you.
Everyone raising a fuss and not many seeing the focus I am trying to
dir
Le jeudi 22 novembre 2012 à 07:21 +0100, Michael Schmitt a écrit :
> Now I see how that works for the gnome folks! *lol* Really, if the
> general gnome attitude is "all complaints are dumb and should be
> ignored, what we do is the holly grail" then...
Please read http://theoatmeal.com/comics/ma
Le 21/11/2012 17:48, Ian Jackson a écrit :
>> Although I'd agree that defining a new lv2-plugin would not be needed,
>> making LV2 plugins packages Depend/Recommend a generic lv2-host
>> package would seriously help as it allows maintainers to avoid to fill
>> up Depends: fields with long and incom
Am 21.11.2012 14:15, schrieb Josselin Mouette:
Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012 à 04:03 +0100, Michael Schmitt a écrit :
Gnome3-classic (fallback) is the option more like to what was gnome2. I
have been using it for a while and is a good option if you want a
desktop like gnome2.
It may be for you o
Hi Kevin,
There's honestly a mountain-load of crap here, so I'm going to snip most of them
out. It would be nice if you could keep the propaganda-like walls of text,
irrelevant examples, and disclaimers to the minimum.
On 22/11/2012 11:49, Kevin Toppins wrote:
> [...]
> -> What role is systemd d
On Thu, 22 Nov 2012, Kevin Toppins wrote:
> I respect that you are free to make up your mind, and I do not want
> that fundamental freedom to go away. So I ask you, please, just give
> this more than a passing thought.
>
> I know that this is debian's list, but please just look at what I am
> try
On 22.11.2012 04:49, Kevin Toppins wrote:
[ lots of non-sense snipped ]
> reflection. I think we have a problem.
I think you have a problem. Please troll elsewhere.
Michael
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Am 21.11.2012 11:19, schrieb Marc Haber:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:03:33 +0100, Michael Schmitt
wrote:
Am 20.11.2012 23:14, schrieb Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez:
AFAIK is completely impossible that Debian ships MATE for Wheezy. Wheezy
has been frozen time ago and by policy no new packages are allo
Am 21.11.2012 10:30, schrieb Neil Williams:
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:03:33 +0100
Michael Schmitt wrote:
AFAIK is completely impossible that Debian ships MATE for Wheezy. Wheezy
has been frozen time ago and by policy no new packages are allowed in
the archive for testing during the freeze.
So mu
On Thu, 22 Nov 2012, Nikolaus Rath wrote:
> > I read through some of the systemd man page and a little of the
> > original design document. I think I have a rough idea of what systemd
> > thinks it is. But I am not able to form a sound foundation from the
> > ideas systemd describes.
>
> No, you
Am 21.11.2012 09:48, schrieb Jon Dowland:
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 04:03:33AM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote:
So much for the general rules... but exceptions ARE possible! And I
just try to make a case here about how important it might be!
IF you had a set of MATE packages all ready to go and you
Kevin Toppins writes:
>> Sadly it is obvious from the rest of this message that you are not up
>> to speed on the topic here. If you want to usefully contribute to the
>> topic, at a very least you should familiarise yourself with the prior
>> threads about systemd to debian-devel. At a very, bare
Am 21.11.2012 05:06, schrieb Matt Zagrabelny:
Hi Michael,
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Michael Schmitt wrote:
Am 20.11.2012 23:14, schrieb Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez:
On 20/11/12 22:55, Michael Schmitt wrote:
If one likes Gnome2.x or MATE or not is a question of taste, to
acknowledge th
Am 21.11.2012 03:23, schrieb Russ Allbery:
Michael Schmitt writes:
as I see you, as a member of ctte, are kind of in favour of MATE for
jessie and not wheezy... :(
I have no opinion on MATE. I personally switched from GNOME 2 to Xfce on
the one system where I use an integrated desktop when g
Also as you aren't the filer or owner of that ITP please make sure anything
you do is agreeable to the actual ITP owner.
I'm the current ITP owner, and an upstream MATE developer too. I alread talked
with Adrian some weeks ago and I would be happy to move MATE packaging on an
appropriate team.
I’m not going to answer to all of your weird or unrelated claims, but
there’s one extremely relevant to your point of view.
Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012 à 16:26 -0600, Kevin Toppins a écrit :
> Systemd is also presuming it knows how the daemons operate better than
> the daemons know, and systemd
Hm, sorry for the lengthy mail.
TL;DR: GNOME Classic is just as featureful and usable as GNOME Shell,
which makes it very suitable for a default desktop on non-3D machines.
Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012 à 15:21 +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz a
écrit :
> Well, I can confirm Michael's observatio
On 21.11.2012 23:26, Kevin Toppins wrote:
> First off, I don't have a sysvinit agenda.
Apparently, you also have no clue what you are talking about.
Michael
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"Andrej N. Gritsenko" writes:
> Hello!
>
> Gergely Nagy has written on Wednesday, 21 November, at 10:29:
>>Matthias Klumpp writes:
>
>>> For syslogd, systemd provides journald for those who want to use it,
>>> but the Journal is no dependency of systemd.
>
>>Wrong. You can't have any recent
> Sadly it is obvious from the rest of this message that you are not up
> to speed on the topic here. If you want to usefully contribute to the
> topic, at a very least you should familiarise yourself with the prior
> threads about systemd to debian-devel. At a very, bare-minimum least.
> It would
Le mercredi, 21 novembre 2012 20.59:02, Holger Levsen a écrit :
> Hi,
>
> On Dienstag, 20. November 2012, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > > I am asking why, when I had a reason to do so, was not able to do a
> > > source-only upload.
> > > Is this a feature of dak, or a policy enforcement?
Hi,
On Dienstag, 20. November 2012, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > I am asking why, when I had a reason to do so, was not able to do a
> > source-only upload.
> > Is this a feature of dak, or a policy enforcement?
> Both.
I'd argue that it's a bug in both.
BTW, can we have this as a rele
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On 21 Nov 2012, at 17:27, Russ Allbery wrote:
> don't know if Ian is, but I certainly would. We have a bunch of
> existing virtual packages that aren't really useful because they don't
> offer any sort of guaranteed interface, and therefore cannot be
> meaningfully used in package relationships
On 21/11/12 17:27, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Without that, it's questionable whether the
> virtual package serves any purpose, and indeed you'll find that the CD
> ripping packages in Debian don't reference mp3-encoder
... and perhaps more tellingly, only one package Provides it, and that
package isn'
Alessio Treglia writes:
> Why tightening up rules? Policy §3.6 does not pretend packages to meet
> any specs nor comply with common interfaces, it just says "Sometimes
> there are several packages which offer more-or-less the same
> functionality. In this case, it's useful to define a virtual pac
Jonas Smedegaard writes:
> It seems to me that you are applying more strict rules now than has been
> applied to other names on the list in the past.
I don't know if Ian is, but I certainly would. We have a bunch of
existing virtual packages that aren't really useful because they don't
offer an
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 03:48:08PM +, Neil Williams wrote:
> MATE will not be in Wheezy and staying on Squeeze until Jessie is released is
> probably not suitable for most users.
It's quite likely that if MATE packages make it into Debian at all, they
will be provided in backports, so some use
Alessio Treglia writes ("Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host"):
> On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Ian Jackson
> wrote:
> > So I'm afraid I still don't understand how this virtual package would
> > help improve the dependency resolution.
>
> Although I'd agree that defining a new lv
Norbert Preining, 2012-11-12 06:34+0100:
> What I would like to have is:
> * get rid of the above link, change it to a directory
> * make packages that install the documentation in /usr/share/doc/texmf
> rebuild and install it into the new dir /usr/share/texmf/doc
> (around 20 packages)
> * prope
Hello!
Neil Williams has written on Wednesday, 21 November, at 15:48:
>However, if people choose to migrate to XFCE instead of GNOME3, then a
>migration to a GNOME2-alike in Jessie isn't as hard but might still not
>be wise. Who knows how XFCE will change with a bunch of new users
>reporting i
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 15:21:38 +0100
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> > > I kind of insist it being in jessie ;) And yes, that makes another good
> > > point why the gnome3-fallback just can't feel like the real thing. It is
> > > supposed to be for those users that 1.) can't use the shell as n
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Ian Jackson
wrote:
> So I'm afraid I still don't understand how this virtual package would
> help improve the dependency resolution.
Although I'd agree that defining a new lv2-plugin would not be needed,
making LV2 plugins packages Depend/Recommend a generic lv2-h
Please stop top-posting.
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On 21 November 2012 22:51, Alessio Treglia wrote:
> Actually I receive lots of mails from users asking me questions like "How
> could
> I find an exhaustive list of LV2 toys currently provided by Debian?", "Does
> the
> X sequencer support LV2 plugins?". So, I think we'd do a good service to our
> Why tightening up rules? Policy =C2=A73.6 does not pretend packages
> to meet= any specs nor comply with common interfaces, it just says
> "Sometimes there are severa= l packages which offer more-or-less the
> same functionality. In this case, it'= s useful to define a virtual
> package whose nam
2012/11/21 Andrej N. Gritsenko :
> Hello!
>
> Gergely Nagy has written on Wednesday, 21 November, at 10:29:
>>Matthias Klumpp writes:
>
>>> For syslogd, systemd provides journald for those who want to use it,
>>> but the Journal is no dependency of systemd.
>>Wrong. You can't have any recent s
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:40 PM, Ian Jackson
wrote:
> I guess you are thinking that LV2 plugin packages would Recommend or
> Depend on lv2-host ?
Yes, exactly.
> But I don't think that's really helpful.
> Perhaps lv2-host should specify something more definite, like "can
> access the following
Regarding the GNOME vs. MATE etc., please read this recent post from Vincent:
http://www.vuntz.net/journal/post/2012/11/21/No-fallback-mode-in-GNOME-3.8%2C-future-of-gnome-panel
If people (the MATE people?) step in and maintain & adjust the
gnome-panel, we won't have any problem for Jessie.
I will
Hello!
Gergely Nagy has written on Wednesday, 21 November, at 10:29:
>Matthias Klumpp writes:
>> For syslogd, systemd provides journald for those who want to use it,
>> but the Journal is no dependency of systemd.
>Wrong. You can't have any recent systemd without the Journal, and
>'legacy'
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 02:15:00PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Don't get me wrong most of them could probably "get along"
> > with the fallback mode after some degree of tweaking, but they would
> > miss A LOT! Some examples? In no particular order: The complete
> > infrastructure under
Am Mittwoch, den 21.11.2012, 14:15 +0100 schrieb Josselin Mouette:
> > The panel (no free arranging of applets / starters;
>
> This is by design. Please point me to a case where the new layout
> mechanism doesn’t answer *real* user needs. OTOH being finally free of
> absolute positioning means th
Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012 à 04:03 +0100, Michael Schmitt a écrit :
> > Gnome3-classic (fallback) is the option more like to what was gnome2. I
> > have been using it for a while and is a good option if you want a
> > desktop like gnome2.
> It may be for you or for some others, but not for all a
Jonas Smedegaard writes ("Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host"):
> It seems to me that you are applying more strict rules now than has been
> applied to other names on the list in the past.
This is not some kind of hazing ritual where people have to persuade a
reluctant audience. I
Quoting Ian Jackson (2012-11-21 13:40:35)
> Alessio Treglia writes ("Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host"):
> > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Ian Jackson
> > wrote:
> > > And an lv2-host could include something which can use only plugins
> > > with certain features.
> >
> > Altou
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Alessio Treglia writes ("Re: New virtual packages: lv2-plugin and lv2-host"):
> On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Ian Jackson
> wrote:
> > And an lv2-host could include something which can use only plugins
> > with certain features.
>
> Altough dillo doesn't support Javascript, it Provides www-bro
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:22:52AM +0100, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> I'd therefore like to ask if anyone here would be willing to help me
> to get MATE into Debian for Jessie.
As you know, there is already an effort to package MATE ongoing (at least
#658783). The purpose of ITPs is to pre
On 21/11/12 04:03, Michael Schmitt wrote:
> It may be for you or for some others, but not for all a viable option.
> Most definitely not for me, the local and remote folks I asked around
> the globe. Don't get me wrong most of them could probably "get along"
> with the fallback mode after some degr
* Jonathan Nieder , 2012-11-21, 01:48:
This should be a standard interface via DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, because
dh_builddeb / dpkg-deb is not the only way to build compliant binary
packages.
Policy §4.9 explains:
Both binary-* targets should depend on the build target, or on the
appropriate build-
Hi,
after following up with the discussion on MATE on this list, I think
we have a consens that there are many people who'd be in favor to
getting MATE into Debian.
As Debian Wheezy is already in the freeze, MATE won't undeniably be a
part of it. Even if we still weren't in the freeze, I still do
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:03:33 +0100, Michael Schmitt
wrote:
>Am 20.11.2012 23:14, schrieb Carlos Alberto Lopez Perez:
>> AFAIK is completely impossible that Debian ships MATE for Wheezy. Wheezy
>> has been frozen time ago and by policy no new packages are allowed in
>> the archive for testing durin
Hi Dmitrijs,
Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote:
> This should be a standard interface via DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS, because
> dh_builddeb / dpkg-deb is not the only way to build compliant binary
> packages.
Policy §4.9 explains:
Both binary-* targets should depend on the build target, or on the
appropriate b
Matthias Klumpp writes:
> For syslogd, systemd provides journald for those who want to use it,
> but the Journal is no dependency of systemd.
Wrong. You can't have any recent systemd without the Journal, and
'legacy' syslogds are piggybacking on /run/systemd/journal/syslog, where
the journal for
On Wed, 21 Nov 2012 04:03:33 +0100
Michael Schmitt wrote:
> > AFAIK is completely impossible that Debian ships MATE for Wheezy. Wheezy
> > has been frozen time ago and by policy no new packages are allowed in
> > the archive for testing during the freeze.
> So much for the general rules... but ex
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On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 04:03:33AM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote:
> So much for the general rules... but exceptions ARE possible! And I
> just try to make a case here about how important it might be!
IF you had a set of MATE packages all ready to go and you were asking
for a freeze exception for th
On 2012-11-21, Russ Allbery wrote:
> suspect this is a bug that was fixed eons ago. I'd been meaning to try
> Xfce since I make a personal policy of changing desktop environments every
> few years -- I used to use GNUstep before GNOME 2 -- so I didn't bother to
> pursue it further.)
I'm looking
Hi - please change the Subject: of the thread if the topic of conversation
has moved on. (We're all guilty of not doing this enough…)
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:07:29AM -0600, Kevin Toppins wrote:
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I realise your intentions are good, here, but please, it is not much help.
Wri
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