Am 21.11.2012 09:48, schrieb Jon Dowland:
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 04:03:33AM +0100, Michael Schmitt wrote:
So much for the general rules... but exceptions ARE possible! And I
just try to make a case here about how important it might be!
IF you had a set of MATE packages all ready to go and you were asking
for a freeze exception for them, then the release team would be in a
position to consider an exception. But there are no such packages.
We're arguing hypotheticals (as we often do on -devel, to my eternal
dismay). There's still a lot of work to do in order to get MATE ready
for Debian.
Forgive my ignorance there, but much of that talk was kind of strange to
me. As, I already run MATE for many months now on at least 5 different
boxes, with debian packages kindly provided by upstream. I know they may
not be 100% perfect but they do the job nicely. I've seen a fair amount
of strange bugs and strange attitudes from people in Debian, a lot of
complaints about maintainers and their packages and compared to that I
could not think how those well-working packages could make an impact
there. About quality of code... I guess one could argue there for hours
how bad something is. Man, if I think about all those complaints I have
heard over the years, it must be a wonder that something like Debian
even works! :D But it does, so do the packages. Even if not perfect,
they do the job. So I ignorantly thought even if not perfect, they could
be made perfect (as in "good enough") in a matter of days or at least
one or two weeks.
And then there is LMDE (Linuxmint Debian Edition), which provides
packages as well. LMDE is more than less a snapshot of Debian testing at
a given time. Combine all of that and you might end up thinking "well,
they just overdraw the whole issue". And many of us agree on that for
example ubuntu is of less quality. It may be true or not. I have seen
some weird issues in ubuntu (from the outside, I don't run any box with
it) and I have some political issues with them, so I quietly agree with
that attitude. But translate that to linuxmint and you might have
another good explanation why "those folks" may overdraw the whole
issue... big-scale. :)
So, to sum it up, I ignorantly thought packages that would fit well
enough into Debian would not be as far away as everybody else thinks. I
may still think that to a certain degree, but it doesn't matter. I agree
with the overall decision. Mainly because of other reasons but that
doesn't change a thing here.
Anyway, I used the term "ignorant" for a reason there. And I don't want
that others follow the urge to get rid of my "ignorance" (read: help me
understand the packages issue better), especially not here, wasting the
time of maybe some others. And maybe it would be better to let that
issue remain in clouds anyway... just thinking. :p
I'm sorry, it's simply too late for wheezy. The last thing we want to
do is delay the release at this point. Long drawn out freezes are
horrendously demoralising for everyone. It's important we get wheezy
out in a timely fashion.
Agreed!
regards
Michael
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