Re: some thoughts on DEP-5

2011-05-20 Thread Joey Hess
Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote: > 1) The description of the License field says: > >Otherwise, this field should either include the full text > >of the license(s) or include a pointer to the license file under > >`/usr/share/common-licenses`. > > This could be interpreted as if just the pointer wou

some thoughts on DEP-5

2011-05-20 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
Hi. I wrote the following some time ago to Lars and Steve. The former asked be to rather put it up for general discussion (which I forgot then somehow). So here it is... Please note, that this may be outdated by now, but I couldn't check the current revision, as http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep5/ s

Re: [pkg-cryptsetup-devel] Bug#626641: Bug#626641: cryptsetup: bug #587220 re-introduced

2011-05-20 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 13:48 +0200, Jonas Meurer wrote: > - cryptsetup is not the only userspace tool which manages dm-crypt > devices. Low-level tools like dmsetup, udev, hal; commandline tools > like cryptmount and gui applications like gnome-mount etc. might > unlock/lock encrypted devices

Re: Suspend/Hibernate Resume in debian

2011-05-20 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 20.05.2011 09:44, schrieb Arief M Utama: > Hi Ben, > > > > On 05/19/2011 08:36 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: >> On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 13:53 +0700, Arief M Utama wrote: >>> Latest try with only pm-utils package, I can do hibernate and resume >>> just fine, but suspend and resume does not work, susp

Re: Anyone looking at darcs?

2011-05-20 Thread Serafeim Zanikolas
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 09:51:45PM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote [edited]: > The burden of learning such basics lies with the contributor. Lack of > such due diligence is not so welcomed. Yes, lack of such due diligence is not welcome in -devel. But that doesn't justify rudeness. If one is not patient

Re: [pkg-cryptsetup-devel] Bug#626641: Bug#626641: Bug#626641: cryptsetup: bug #587220 re-introduced

2011-05-20 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 13:55 +0200, Jonas Meurer wrote: > yes, and this is the way it's supposed to be: phew ;-) Just let me point this out again,.. "Debian's init-script handling is broken" (had to say it ;-) ) > - if the cryptsetup package is removed but not purged, the initscript > will e

Re: Sponsorship in Debian (Re: Ubuntu-originated packages in Debian (Re: ubuntu keyring?))

2011-05-20 Thread Joey Hess
Arno Töll wrote: > But I miss an advocate so far, and I won't fine one, being confident in > my skills if I'm passed from one DD to another for every upload. Absolutely, continuity of sponsor relationship is essential to DM. Although it does not need to be a long relationship; just longer than one

Re: [RFC] Changing APT to pre-depend on ${shlibs:Depends}

2011-05-20 Thread Julien Cristau
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 13:58:08 +0200, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > We basically know the reasons on both sides. Most objections are of > social nature (fear of "APT has a Pre-Depends, let's add one to"), and > Eugene thinks it is unfair if APT were to pre-depend on things while > Cupt would not,

Re: Using -Werror in CFLAGS for a debian package build

2011-05-20 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Didier Raboud writes: > Wouter Verhelst wrote: > >> I was working on nbd-server upstream, and so had ran ./configure with >> CFLAGS='-Wall -Werror', which I consider good practice when writing C >> code. >> >> What I didn't notice immediately was that gcc was emitting some >> warnings, but that

Re: [RFC] Changing APT to pre-depend on ${shlibs:Depends}

2011-05-20 Thread Eugene V. Lyubimkin
On 2011-05-20 13:58, Julian Andres Klode wrote: > Eugene thinks it is unfair if APT were to pre-depend on things while > Cupt would not [...] No, I didn't say that. I did say it is possible to upgrade a Debian system without APT, and you cannot attribute anything beyond this to me. -- Eugene V.

Re: Sponsorship in Debian (Re: Ubuntu-originated packages in Debian (Re: ubuntu keyring?))

2011-05-20 Thread Arno Töll
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20.05.2011 17:42, Joey Hess wrote: > You appear to be a perfectly fine candidate to be a DM; you have > actively maintained packages in the archive; you are actively > involved with and sending improvements upstream; your package > is well put toget

Re: Sponsorship in Debian (Re: Ubuntu-originated packages in Debian (Re: ubuntu keyring?))

2011-05-20 Thread Joey Hess
Arno Töll wrote: > What are alternatives though, if no one else feels sympathy for your > problems and your former sponsors don't react? Again, my case: I'd love > to improve my package's quality (i.e. upload new upstream releases, fix > bugs, port new architectures), in fact I did all of that. I j

Re: [RFC] Changing APT to pre-depend on ${shlibs:Depends}

2011-05-20 Thread Ian Jackson
Julian Andres Klode writes ("Re: [RFC] Changing APT to pre-depend on ${shlibs:Depends}"): > On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 13:28 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > The purpose is to make sure that we have considered all the up- and > > down-sides of the proposal, and specifically to make sure that if > > there

Re: Sponsorship in Debian (Re: Ubuntu-originated packages in Debian (Re: ubuntu keyring?))

2011-05-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Hi Arno, On 11-05-20 at 04:44pm, Arno Töll wrote: > On 20.05.2011 11:22, Neil Williams wrote: > > Fly-by sponsoring is *not* helpful to Debian. > > True. It neither does for the candidate. > > What are alternatives though, if no one else feels sympathy for your > problems and your former sponso

Re: Suspend/Hibernate Resume in debian

2011-05-20 Thread Martin Wuertele
* Clint Adams [2011-05-20 16:52]: > Is it supposed to work with swap on an LVM volume on top of dm-crypt? > This only works for me with uswsusp. Works for me since Lenny. yours Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble?

Re: Suspend/Hibernate Resume in debian

2011-05-20 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On 20/05/2011 23:00, Clint Adams wrote: > On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 03:09:56PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: >> Hibernate is completely covered by the kernel; there is not much that > > Is it supposed to work with swap on an LVM volume on top of dm-crypt? > This only works for me with uswsusp. Yes it

Re: Suspend/Hibernate Resume in debian

2011-05-20 Thread Clint Adams
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 03:09:56PM +0200, Bastian Blank wrote: > Hibernate is completely covered by the kernel; there is not much that Is it supposed to work with swap on an LVM volume on top of dm-crypt? This only works for me with uswsusp. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@list

Re: Sponsorship in Debian (Re: Ubuntu-originated packages in Debian (Re: ubuntu keyring?))

2011-05-20 Thread Arno Töll
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Neil (and Piotr who said similar things), On 20.05.2011 11:22, Neil Williams wrote: > It's also very frustrating for the sponsor and the hassle involved in > filtering out some truly abysmal packaging efforts from the list of > sponsorship requests

Re: Suspend/Hibernate Resume in debian

2011-05-20 Thread Bastian Blank
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 01:53:31PM +0700, Arief M Utama wrote: > Latest try with only pm-utils package, I can do hibernate and resume > just fine, but suspend and resume does not work, suspend ok, resume > fail. Hibernate is completely covered by the kernel; there is not much that can go wrong. Su

Re: insmod.static

2011-05-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 20, Bastian Blank wrote: > This would be wasting one package or lets say 800k on every system just > to please one really specific use case, which can be and is already > solved another way. Also, I have not looked at febootstrap but if it implements its own init then it could probably eas

Re: Suspend/Hibernate Resume in debian

2011-05-20 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 20 mai 2011 à 13:17 +0100, Ben Hutchings a écrit : > I believe GNOME now relies on the upower daemon. But that is just an > intermediary for sending commands to the kernel. Yes, AFAICT upower relies on pm-utils for the low-level commands. -- .''`. Josselin Mouette : :' : `. `

Re: Suspend/Hibernate Resume in debian

2011-05-20 Thread Jon Dowland
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 02:44:42PM +0700, Arief M Utama wrote: > But, even so, I have done some test with "echo 'mem' > > /sys/power/state" and "echo 'disk' > /sys/power/state" few times before, > and it shows same behaviour with desktop initiated suspend and > hibernate, "mem" suspend faile

Re: Sponsorship in Debian (Re: Ubuntu-originated packages in Debian (Re: ubuntu keyring?))

2011-05-20 Thread Neil Williams
On Fri, 20 May 2011 12:01:43 +0200 Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > On 11-05-20 at 10:22am, Neil Williams wrote: > > Fly-by sponsoring is *not* helpful to Debian. > > I wholeheartedly agree. > > ...and non-fly-by sponsoring is what I instead call teamwork: > > Personally I don't do sponsoring, but in

Re: insmod.static

2011-05-20 Thread Bastian Blank
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 01:56:12PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > I received a request to add insmod.static to the module-init-tools > package, but I do not really like either solution. > Does anybody have an opinion about this? Don't. There exists a klibc linked insmod that needs < 100k for the bin

Re: Suspend/Hibernate Resume in debian

2011-05-20 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2011-05-20 at 14:44 +0700, Arief M Utama wrote: > Hi Ben, > > > > On 05/19/2011 08:36 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 13:53 +0700, Arief M Utama wrote: > >> Latest try with only pm-utils package, I can do hibernate and resume > >> just fine, but suspend and resume does

Re: [RFC] Changing APT to pre-depend on ${shlibs:Depends}

2011-05-20 Thread Julian Andres Klode
On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 13:28 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Julian Andres Klode writes ("Re: [RFC] Changing APT to pre-depend on > ${shlibs:Depends}"): > > So we'd need one supporter now to speak up in order to get a neutral > > level again. > > The purpose of the policy rule asking for consensus her

insmod.static

2011-05-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
I received a request to add insmod.static to the module-init-tools package, but I do not really like either solution. Does anybody have an opinion about this? - Forwarded message from "Richard W.M. Jones" - From: "Richard W.M. Jones" To: Marco d'Itri , Guido Günther , 627...@bug

Re: Anyone looking at darcs?

2011-05-20 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
On Fri, 2011-05-20 at 11:15 +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: > On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 10:55, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe > wrote: > > It was kind because the info was offered, but it was unkind because the > > guy was ridiculed. > > you should stop speculating what others want to say (in and between > the li

Re: Sponsorship in Debian (Re: Ubuntu-originated packages in Debian (Re: ubuntu keyring?))

2011-05-20 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, May 20, 2011 at 10:23:42AM +0800, Paul Wise a écrit : > > Help out with the debexpo project which aims to refresh the > mentors.d.n code and implement some of the ideas generated a while ago > that could be used to streamline the flow of packages into Debian. Dear Paul and everybody, in

Re: Sponsorship in Debian (Re: Ubuntu-originated packages in Debian (Re: ubuntu keyring?))

2011-05-20 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On 11-05-20 at 10:22am, Neil Williams wrote: > Fly-by sponsoring is *not* helpful to Debian. I wholeheartedly agree. ...and non-fly-by sponsoring is what I instead call teamwork: Personally I don't do sponsoring, but instead encourage teamwork. And just as importantly: I insist on _calling_ it

Bug#627391: ITP: prank -- The Probabilistic Alignment Kit for biological sequences

2011-05-20 Thread Manuel Prinz
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Manuel Prinz * Package name: prank Version : 100802 Upstream Author : Ari Loytynoja * URL : http://www.ebi.ac.uk/goldman-srv/prank/src/prank/ * License : GPL2+ Programming Lang: C++ Description : Probabilistic Al

Re: Sponsorship in Debian (Re: Ubuntu-originated packages in Debian (Re: ubuntu keyring?))

2011-05-20 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Arno Töll, 2011-05-20] > I know and I provided everyone willing to sponsor me a comprehensive > change log where I explain what I did and why, altogether with a diff > outlining all changes when compared to the previous version. good, let me know when you will need an upload of something Python r

Re: Sponsorship in Debian (Re: Ubuntu-originated packages in Debian (Re: ubuntu keyring?))

2011-05-20 Thread Arno Töll
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20.05.2011 11:10, Piotr Ożarowski wrote: > Did you ask your previous sponsor first? When I see a package I > sponsored on mentors again - I ignore it (if sponsoree is not happy with > my "service", he/she is free to try someone else after all). Yes

Re: Sponsorship in Debian (Re: Ubuntu-originated packages in Debian (Re: ubuntu keyring?))

2011-05-20 Thread Neil Williams
On Fri, 20 May 2011 10:40:09 +0200 Arno Töll wrote: > while I largely agree with the all other things you mentioned, I have > one thing to add here: > > On 20.05.2011 04:23, Paul Wise wrote: > > Chose a specific person to mentor, review their packages, educate them > > about Debian, upload their

Re: Anyone looking at darcs?

2011-05-20 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Fri, May 20, 2011 at 10:55, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe wrote: > It was kind because the info was offered, but it was unkind because the > guy was ridiculed. you should stop speculating what others want to say (in and between the lines) , since you're wrong. -- Sandro Tosi (aka morph, morpheus, mat

Re: Sponsorship in Debian (Re: Ubuntu-originated packages in Debian (Re: ubuntu keyring?))

2011-05-20 Thread Piotr Ożarowski
[Arno Töll, 2011-05-20] > So from my experience, in reality you need to seek a new sponsor for > every upload you want to get into the archive and this takes a lot of > time and patience. For example I'm currently waiting and seeking since > over a month to get a RC bug fix and upstream update into

Re: Using -Werror in CFLAGS for a debian package build

2011-05-20 Thread Didier Raboud
Wouter Verhelst wrote: > I was working on nbd-server upstream, and so had ran ./configure with > CFLAGS='-Wall -Werror', which I consider good practice when writing C > code. > > What I didn't notice immediately was that gcc was emitting some > warnings, but that the -Werror option was not honore

Re: Anyone looking at darcs?

2011-05-20 Thread Tshepang Lekhonkhobe
On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 21:51 +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 01:39:11PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: > > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 13:00, Tshepang Lekhonkhobe > > wrote: > > > You are sharing good info, but you could have been more kind. > > I guess Tshepang meant "kind" =

Re: Sponsorship in Debian (Re: Ubuntu-originated packages in Debian (Re: ubuntu keyring?))

2011-05-20 Thread Arno Töll
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Paul, while I largely agree with the all other things you mentioned, I have one thing to add here: On 20.05.2011 04:23, Paul Wise wrote: > Chose a specific person to mentor, review their packages, educate them > about Debian, upload their packages

Re: Suspend/Hibernate Resume in debian

2011-05-20 Thread Arief M Utama
Hi Ben, On 05/19/2011 08:36 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: On Thu, 2011-05-19 at 13:53 +0700, Arief M Utama wrote: Latest try with only pm-utils package, I can do hibernate and resume just fine, but suspend and resume does not work, suspend ok, resume fail. Suspend and resume are normally handled