Heya,
Raphael, it would be so great to reply to messages in single mails
instead of squeezing (are you release-themed, or what?) all of your
answers into one mail. I'm really tired of chasing a specific answer
From you through the whole thread.
Raphael Hertzog writes:
> But I don't plan to work
* Ben Hutchings , 2011-04-23, 15:06:
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Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> If the release team is open to try this out, I'm volunteering
> to help implement this (i.e. at the very least managing transitions
> while the rest of the release team is concentrated on patch review for
> finalizing the stable release). I'am also happy to invest some effo
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> To complement that with even more user testing, I think we should
> consider advertising specific (late) frozen snapshots as
> alpha/beta{1,2,3} development releases. Several other distros are doing
> that and I do believe they have good reasons for doing so, which migh
Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> On 28/04/11 at 12:05 -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> > And at the same time, having a non-frozen rolling release available
> > during freeze time could easily distract people from working on
> > testing/frozen at all, because a shiny rolling release that they and
> > some users ca
* Stefano Zacchiroli (z...@debian.org) [110429 14:22]:
> In general we need to promote the reduction of (potential) bottlenecks
> in Debian rather than the contrary. ... and don't get me wrong: I'm very
> well aware that this specific "bottleneck" is a very good feature to
> have for the preparatio
* Raphael Hertzog (hert...@debian.org) [110428 22:16]:
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, sean finney wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 02:55:31PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > > Good. I just want to point out that "frozen" built on top on rolling
> > > (which is what we're proposing here) is different fr
* Lucas Nussbaum (lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net) [110428 20:21]:
> Interestingly, you seem to be confused about RC bugs. ;)
Can you please stop the ad-hominem attacks? Thanks.
Andi
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* Lucas Nussbaum (lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net) [110428 19:57]:
> On 28/04/11 at 18:04 +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> > On 28/04/2011 17:25, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > > On 28/04/11 at 16:52 +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> > >>
> > >> 1) At the beginning of the developement cycle, (with the new plan) you
> >
* Raphael Hertzog (hert...@debian.org) [110428 14:55]:
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> > > So your "testing" is essentially the pre-2000 "frozen" distribution [1],
> > > and
> > > your "rolling" is basically the current "testing" without the need to
> > > freeze?
> > > If that's the
* Raphael Hertzog (hert...@debian.org) [110428 16:26]:
> - reduce the set of architectures required for migration to testing to
> i386/amd64/armel and have buildd of other architectures prioritize
> missing builds in testing over missing builds in unstable
> (freeze should be enough time even
* Raphael Hertzog (hert...@debian.org) [110428 11:29]:
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> > We might disagree with the process Raphael is proposing, but my reading
> > of [1] is that he is asking for comments on the *goals* that, in his
> > opinion, "rolling" is supposed to fulfill.
* sean finney (sean...@debian.org) [110427 19:54]:
> Hi Mehdi,
>
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 05:58:46PM +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> > Funny… reading your recent blogpost, you seem to not understand yet what
> > you want to put into Rolling (and how). So, how can we comment on
> > something that's n
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 23:46:10 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-04-24 at 22:46 +0100, Wookey wrote:
> [...]
> > I do think that getting the 'win32' arch name and triplet defined in
> > dpkg-architecture is stage 1 for you. I thought we'd already done that
> > years ago, when this last came
On Sun, 24 Apr 2011 22:46:40 +0100, Wookey wrote:
> +++ Stephen Kitt [2011-04-24 19:14 +0200]:
> > > So I would be opposed to making such a change in policy for the time
> > > being; I think cross-compilers should stick with the traditional
> > > cross-compiler directories and stay away from the m
On Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:44:39 +0200, Goswin von Brederlow
wrote:
> Stephen Kitt writes:
> > So if I understand things correctly that would mean using /usr/lib/win32
> > and /usr/lib/win64, regardless of the binutils/gcc triplet (which is fine
> > as
>
> If that is what dpkg-architecture outputs.
On Freitag, 29. April 2011, Holger Levsen wrote:
> 29445 successful and 72 failed logs plus 526 packages not being tested
> (which is what we have today) is a reasonable state IMO.
(reasonable yes, but we definitly can do better!)
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Hi,
sorry that I'm late to this party and that this mail is mostly an AOL...
On Mittwoch, 30. März 2011, Luk Claes wrote:
> # package quality
> Advocate: Holger Levsen and Luk Claes
> State: confirmed
> Wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/ReleaseGoals/PackagesQuality
>
> This is a never ending go
[ Note that we decided to include the debian-devel list in our reply, as
this issue seems to have already found a wider audience, which we want
to invite to this discussion too. Please stay ontopic and away from
ranting about Ubuntu/Canonical/Whatever, gains nothing for anyone, but
help to
On Fri, Apr 29, 2011 at 02:44:53PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
> On 03/31/2011 09:25 AM, Vincent Danjean wrote:
>
> > Martin F. Krafft started to implement a replacement of ifupdown that
> > is better designed. But, due to lack of manpower I think, this project
> > did not finish. See this archive
Bernd Zeimetz (29/04/2011):
> Instead of Martin's project you might want to look into ipcfg by
> Wouter Verhelst, which is in experimental already.
You may want not to. Last I checked (#dd yesterday, but not quoting
without permission), the idea was to scratch everything and start
over.
Mraw,
Ki
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Hi,
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 05:34:50PM +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> > I'm still reading and thinking… so, don't have an answer yet. But, it
> > you'd like me to read your ideas, you're going to put some efforts and
> > post them here, instead of poi
On 29/04/2011 14:21, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 10:55:01PM +, Philipp Kern wrote:
>> On 2011-04-28, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>>> But I don't plan to work on any of those if the project does not agree to
>>> promote testing to something that can be advertised as usable by
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 18:48, Julian Andres Klode wrote:
> But that we do want to prevent a broken APT -- when using the common
> "dpkg -i ...; apt-get install -f" idiom (where ... is APT) -- certainly
> is an argument.
Let me try to rephrase that:
The only strong positive argument for the chang
On 03/31/2011 09:25 AM, Vincent Danjean wrote:
> Martin F. Krafft started to implement a replacement of ifupdown that
> is better designed. But, due to lack of manpower I think, this project
> did not finish. See this archives of netconf-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org
> for more info.
Instead of M
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 10:55:01PM +, Philipp Kern wrote:
> On 2011-04-28, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > But I don't plan to work on any of those if the project does not agree to
> > promote testing to something that can be advertised as usable by end-users
> > and as something that we strive to
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 05:34:50PM +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> > See
> > http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/04/28/no-freeze-of-debian-development-what-does-it-entail/
> > for a more detailed answer and related suggestions to limit this problem.
>
> I'm still reading and thinking… so, don't have an a
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 04:52:29PM +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> 2) During the freeze, you're killing an important step in the Release
> process which is "the testing". Packages that move from sid to testing are
> tested by a huge user base (sid users), and then double-tested by testing
> users.
I
* Lucas Nussbaum [110429 11:17]:
> On 29/04/11 at 11:00 +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> > * Lucas Nussbaum [110429 10:51]:
> > > I think that you misunderstood my data. It's the number of **distinct**
> > > (different) **uploaders**. If you uploaded just one package during the
> > > freeze perio
On 29/04/11 at 11:00 +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> * Lucas Nussbaum [110429 10:51]:
> > I think that you misunderstood my data. It's the number of **distinct**
> > (different) **uploaders**. If you uploaded just one package during the
> > freeze period, then you are not in the 20%.
>
> You did
* Lucas Nussbaum [110429 10:51]:
> I think that you misunderstood my data. It's the number of **distinct**
> (different) **uploaders**. If you uploaded just one package during the
> freeze period, then you are not in the 20%.
You did not give numbers of uploaders in the freeze time, but by
month.
On 29/04/11 at 10:33 +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> * Lucas Nussbaum [110428 22:06]:
> > So, we are losing a large number of contributors (> 20%) during freezes. And
> > it's also possible that some of them don't come back (looking at the months
> > following freezes, it takes some time to reach
On 29/04/11 at 10:23 +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> 2. In the past there used to be two rather opposites use-cases of testing:
> some (luckely more than just the release team) see it as a tool to develop
> stable. Others see it (mostly) as a usable distribution.
> I'm unconvinced that splitting te
* Lucas Nussbaum [110428 22:06]:
> Eh? How do you fix stuff in the next release if you don't make uploads?
> I'm not saying that the number of uploads should stay the same: it's
> normal to see it going down during freezes, since there are less things
> to change. However, if we think that DDs par
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Hi,
On Donnerstag, 28. April 2011, Joey Hess wrote:
> Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > There are other possible changes but I want to discuss them separately
> > because even without those changes, the testing without freeze is a
> > worthwhile goal in itself.
[...]
> I think these are interesting ideas
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