> "BB" == Bastian Blank writes:
BB> Before demanding private information from others, you could fix your MUA
BB> to include a name of your own.
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Lucas Nussbaum writes:
> On 28/04/11 at 18:04 +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> > > I agree that it's a problem. However:
> > > - we are likely to get more "rolling"+"unstable" users than the current
> > > "testing"+"sid" users, so "rolling" release will get more testing
> > > until the freeze.
>
On 04/29/2011 01:02 AM, Niccolò Belli wrote:
> Il 28/04/2011 16:55, Thomas Goirand ha scritto:
>> Bastian, I just saw you did an upload, does this include the above fix
>> (eg, inclusion of xentoollog.h)? Should I write a bug report?
>
> I fear you wasted your time trying to fix qemu-dm :|
Not *t
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 22:16:27 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, sean finney wrote:
> > If the latter case, I think the best thing to do would be to formalize
> > the proposal (DEP maybe?), set up the test archives/autobuilds, and get
> > right to it.
> I'd be glad to help you dri
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:54:32 +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> You want a constantly usable testing, but are you working these days on
> fixing RC bugs affecting testing? Don't get me wrong. I'm not
> finger-printing. I didn't find time to do that myself. But, if we all try
> to do that, things will be
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 22:55:01 +, Philipp Kern wrote:
> At least if
> they're wired up to at least get announcements if something's screwing
> up systems gravely. That channel seems to be missing, though.
apt-listbugs?
Not very widely known, IME ...
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On 2011-04-28, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> But I don't plan to work on any of those if the project does not agree to
> promote testing to something that can be advertised as usable by end-users
> and as something that we strive to support on a best-effort basis.
The usual troll of "everything in Deb
On 04/28/2011 07:15 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
Could we try to stay on focus and constructive, and avoid bringing
poneys in the discussion?
Yes. I'm sorry! I always write a first stupid version and then change it to
something reasonable (or drop it), but I forgot to change that sentence.
It wa
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh debian.org> writes:
> I do think you misunderstood my point in the hash issue. My point is not
> that a full hash will not collide. The point is that the full hash as seen
> in a tree received from the upstream DVCS should not see colisions, because
> the collision wo
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On Thu, April 28, 2011 19:03, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> On 28/04/11 at 12:05 -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
>> And at the same time, having a non-frozen rolling release available
>> during freeze time could easily distract people from working on
>> testing/frozen at all, because a shiny rolling release that
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, Joey Hess wrote:
> Another problem is that testing can be frozen in stages, which allows
> development from unstable on eg, leaf package to continue on filter into
> testing until relatively close to the release. Rolling could disrupt
> that, since uploads to unstable targeted
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, sean finney wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 02:55:31PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > Good. I just want to point out that "frozen" built on top on rolling
> > (which is what we're proposing here) is different from "frozen" built on
> > top of unstable (which is what we had
On 28/04/11 at 20:45 +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote:
> * Lucas Nussbaum [110428 20:21]:
> > On 28/04/11 at 12:05 -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> > > And at the same time, having a non-frozen rolling release available
> > > during freeze time could easily distract people from working on
> > > testing/froz
Philipp Kern wrote:
> Improvement to update testing more quickly by easing the pain of
> transitions, like rebuilding everything in a self-contained way
> to avoid entanglements, would be well appreciated.
As it's not the first time I see this mentionned (but still fail to
understand it fully),
Hi guys,
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 08:23:33PM +, Philipp Kern wrote:
> >* RM's can still choose to migrate packages from (not frozen) testing as
> > long as it's practical to do so.
> >* When deps/transitions/etc prevent testing migration, "release N
> > proposed updates" is us
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* Lucas Nussbaum [110428 20:21]:
> On 28/04/11 at 12:05 -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> > And at the same time, having a non-frozen rolling release available
> > during freeze time could easily distract people from working on
> > testing/frozen at all, because a shiny rolling release that they and
> > s
On 28/04/11 at 18:54 +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> You want a constantly usable testing, but are you working these days on
> fixing RC bugs affecting testing? Don't get me wrong. I'm not
> finger-printing. I didn't find time to do that myself. But, if we all try
> to do that, things will be much mor
On 28/04/11 at 12:05 -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> And at the same time, having a non-frozen rolling release available
> during freeze time could easily distract people from working on
> testing/frozen at all, because a shiny rolling release that they and
> some users can use is still available. I am u
On 28/04/11 at 18:04 +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> On 28/04/2011 17:25, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > On 28/04/11 at 16:52 +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> >>
> >> 1) At the beginning of the developement cycle, (with the new plan) you
> >> start from testing, and not the new stable. So, you don't start with
Joey,
nice to see you agreeing. :)
On 2011-04-28, Joey Hess wrote:
> To most users of testing, a 5 month period when it doesn't update as
> much, but is also more constantly usable is mostly a draw; that period
> is when testing has the most new users.
That's also my observation. Users switch
Osamu Aoki dijo [Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:55:48PM +0900]:
> (...)
> 1.2.10~YYMMDD for prerelease of version 1.2.10
> 1.2.10~rcYMMDD for prerelease of version 1.2.10 (alternative format)
>this last 2 are mostly used in unstable/testing only. So length is
>less of problem.
Remember that w
On Do, 2011-04-28 at 08:41 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 01:46:50PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
> > [Eugene V. Lyubimkin]
> > > Second, why the APT's ability to upgrade is broken under these
> > > conditions? Unless I'm missing something, the upgrade cannot be
> > > start
On 28/04/2011 17:30, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
>> 1) At the beginning of the developement cycle, (with the new plan) you
>> start from testing, and not the new stable. So, you don't start with a
>> base that's rc-bug free, or at least, as polished as the new
Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> There are other possible changes but I want to discuss them separately
> because even without those changes, the testing without freeze is a
> worthwhile goal in itself.
>
> Still, since you seem to insist, here are ideas I'd like to investigate:
>
> - reduce the set of a
On 28/04/2011 17:25, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> On 28/04/11 at 16:52 +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
>>
>> 1) At the beginning of the developement cycle, (with the new plan) you
>> start from testing, and not the new stable. So, you don't start with a
>> base that's rc-bug free, or at least, as polished as
Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> There are other issues I want to mention here (you may judge them as
> minor, but let's see):
>
> 1) At the beginning of the developement cycle, (with the new plan) you
> start from testing, and not the new stable. So, you don't start with a
> base that's rc-bug free, or at l
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 02:53:26PM +0200, Julian Andres Klode wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I hereby request comments on changing APT to pre-depend on
> ${shlibs:Depends}. The reason is simple:
>
> When we upload a new version of APT, depending on a newer
> library version (due to new symbols,
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 01:46:50PM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
> [Eugene V. Lyubimkin]
> > Second, why the APT's ability to upgrade is broken under these
> > conditions? Unless I'm missing something, the upgrade cannot be
> > started in the middle of another upgrade [1].
> > [1] If we count the
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 10:37:37AM +0200, Bastien ROUCARIES wrote:
> So, could we document we different pitfall of crypto library on the
> debian wiki ?
You could use http://curl.haxx.se/docs/ssl-compared.html
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_TLS_Implementations
as starting points.
On 28/04/2011 17:30, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>
> See
> http://raphaelhertzog.com/2011/04/28/no-freeze-of-debian-development-what-does-it-entail/
> for a more detailed answer and related suggestions to limit this problem.
>
I'm still reading and thinking… so, don't have an answer yet. But, it
you
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> 1) At the beginning of the developement cycle, (with the new plan) you
> start from testing, and not the new stable. So, you don't start with a
> base that's rc-bug free, or at least, as polished as the new stable is.
First, the beginning of the developme
On 28/04/11 at 16:52 +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> On 28/04/2011 15:52, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> >> | before| during | release | freeze| freeze
> >> | day+1 | dev period | |
> >> —
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 05:56:24PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Le Sat, Apr 23, 2011 at 12:20:33AM +0900, Osamu Aoki a écrit :
> >
> > New URLs:
> >
> > http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/index.en.html (this is the same)
> > http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/modify.en.html#quiltrc
>
>
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 03:11:14PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011, Uoti Urpala wrote:
...
> It is still not a good reason to waste part of a draconian 30 chars of space
> with hash information.
I agree.
Anyway, I think 30 should be the absolute upper limit fo
On 28/04/2011 15:52, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
>> | before| during | release | freeze| freeze
>> | day+1 | dev period | |
>> ——— |sid
>> |sid
On 28/04/11 at 15:04 +0200, Abou Al Montacir wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 13:01 +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
>
> > On 28/04/2011 11:48, Simon McVittie wrote:
> > > On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 at 11:29:28 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > >> - at freeze time, instead of freezing rolling, we make a snapshot
On 28/04/11 at 15:12 +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> How's rolling different from testing? (except that testing freezes
> from time to time… yes, I know, that's the main point of the proposal,
> but still, I want to know if there are other changes).
Note that being frozen about 25% of the time is a s
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 01:10:54PM +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> Except that it's lying to our users to name it "rolling" because packages
> from rolling won't be rc-bug free. For this reason, I think that "testing"
> is a very well choosen name, more honest about its state. If people think
> that "
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See http://www.debi
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Adrian von Bidder, the maintainer of the libxml-dtdparser-perl package
unfortunately died on 17th of April 2011 [1].
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Adrian von Bidder, the maintainer of the libtext-levenshteinxs-perl
package unfortunately died on 17th of April 2011 [1].
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Se
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
>| before| during | release
>| freeze| freeze | day+1
>| dev period | |
> ———
>|sid |sid |
On Thu, 2011-04-28 at 13:01 +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> On 28/04/2011 11:48, Simon McVittie wrote:
> > On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 at 11:29:28 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> >> - at freeze time, instead of freezing rolling, we make a snapshot of
> >> rolling (I call it testing) and this is where we do
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 03:09:48PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> Roger Leigh writes:
>
> > libgcrypt has some horrendous bugs which upstream refuse to fix,
> > for example the broken behaviour relating to setuid binaries
> > discussed previously here, and the hard coded behaviour which
> > make
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes:
> On Apr 27, Bastian Blank wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 07:20:55PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote:
>> > The reason is that the kind of entities which require FIPS 140 probably
>> > also tend to require corporate vendor support, which we do not provide.
>> Wh
Roger Leigh writes:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 09:30:05AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> Bastien ROUCARIES writes:
>>
>> >> Patches to WebAuth to support NSS are welcome, but I'm sure not going to
>> >> bother. Seems like a waste of time to me. If I were going to port to any
>> >> other crypto
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On 28/04/2011 11:29, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2011, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
>> For example: What would be Rolling's content right after a release?
>> (comparing to testing, which starts from the stable just released).
>> I
>
> Rolling doesn't magically change after a release. It's sti
On 28/04/11 at 13:10 +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> On 28/04/2011 12:03, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > Might be, except that I don't want to keep the name "testing" due
> > to its connotation that doesn't reflect well the goal of something
> > that's constantly usable.
> >
>
> Except that it's lying t
Hi,
thank you all for your feedback!
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> > So your "testing" is essentially the pre-2000 "frozen" distribution [1], and
> > your "rolling" is basically the current "testing" without the need to
> > freeze?
> > If that's the case, calling the distributions u
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On 28/04/2011 12:03, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, Simon McVittie wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 at 11:29:28 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>>> - at freeze time, instead of freezing rolling, we make a snapshot of
>>> rolling (I call it testing) and this is where we do the work left
On 28/04/2011 09:06, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 05:58:46PM +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
>> Funny… reading your recent blogpost,
>
> (FWIW, the blog post Mehdi is referring to is, I guess, at [1])
>
>> you seem to not understand yet what you want to put into Rolling (and
>>
On 28/04/2011 11:48, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 at 11:29:28 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>> - at freeze time, instead of freezing rolling, we make a snapshot of
>> rolling (I call it testing) and this is where we do the work left
>> to make it ready for release
>
> So your "t
On 2011-04-28, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Might be, except that I don't want to keep the name "testing" due
> to its connotation that doesn't reflect well the goal of something
> that's constantly usable.
Oh it is mostly constantly usable. Yes, sometimes an arch has to suffer but I
don't think it
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, Simon McVittie wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 at 11:29:28 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> > - at freeze time, instead of freezing rolling, we make a snapshot of
> > rolling (I call it testing) and this is where we do the work left
> > to make it ready for release
>
> So your
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 04:55, Peter Samuelson wrote:
>> As discussed elsewhere in this thread, anyone relying on apt for
>> upgrades would be using apt to upgrade apt, so an alternative to
>> consider would be making apt fake the pre-depends internally.
>
> Is it feasible for apt to fake the pre-
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 20:46, Peter Samuelson wrote:
> Also, what if apt wants to call one of its auxilliary binaries during
> the install/upgrade? I imagine it's not implemented that way _now_,
> but a Pre-Depends would make such a thing a lot safer if they want it.
In theory this could happen
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> - testing is really a temporary distribution that has a purpose only
> during freeze, if you use "testing" when there's no freeze you're
> just using "stable" because the testing symlink is still pointing
> to the distribution that has been releas
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011 at 11:29:28 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> - at freeze time, instead of freezing rolling, we make a snapshot of
> rolling (I call it testing) and this is where we do the work left
> to make it ready for release
So your "testing" is essentially the pre-2000 "frozen" distrib
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, Julian Andres Klode wrote:
> On Do, 2011-04-28 at 09:42 +0200, Julien Cristau wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 09:18:05 +0200, Julian Andres Klode wrote:
> >
> > > We do count situations like
> > > http://lists.debian.org/deity/2011/04/msg00154.html
> > >
> > > <676992.8107
On Thu, 28 Apr 2011, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> We might disagree with the process Raphael is proposing, but my reading
> of [1] is that he is asking for comments on the *goals* that, in his
> opinion, "rolling" is supposed to fulfill. We can discuss whether those
> goals are worthwhile or not eve
On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Roger Leigh wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 09:30:05AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
>> Bastien ROUCARIES writes:
>>
>> >> Patches to WebAuth to support NSS are welcome, but I'm sure not going to
>> >> bother. Seems like a waste of time to me. If I were going to p
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On Do, 2011-04-28 at 09:42 +0200, Julien Cristau wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 09:18:05 +0200, Julian Andres Klode wrote:
>
> > We do count situations like
> > http://lists.debian.org/deity/2011/04/msg00154.html
> >
> > <676992.81078...@web26502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
> >
> That seems silly. Th
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>
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On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 09:18:05 +0200, Julian Andres Klode wrote:
> We do count situations like
> http://lists.debian.org/deity/2011/04/msg00154.html
>
> <676992.81078...@web26502.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
>
That seems silly. They broke their system using dpkg -i, they can fix
it with dpkg -i.
Chee
On Mi, 2011-04-27 at 19:34 +0300, Eugene V. Lyubimkin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 2011-04-27 14:53, Julian Andres Klode wrote:
> > I hereby request comments on changing APT to pre-depend on
> > ${shlibs:Depends}.
>
> > When we upload a new version of APT, depending on a newer
> > library
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 05:58:46PM +0200, Mehdi Dogguy wrote:
> Funny… reading your recent blogpost,
(FWIW, the blog post Mehdi is referring to is, I guess, at [1])
> you seem to not understand yet what you want to put into Rolling (and
> how). So, how can we comment on something that's not set o
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