On 28/04/11 at 20:45 +0200, Bernhard R. Link wrote: > * Lucas Nussbaum <lu...@lucas-nussbaum.net> [110428 20:21]: > > On 28/04/11 at 12:05 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > > > And at the same time, having a non-frozen rolling release available > > > during freeze time could easily distract people from working on > > > testing/frozen at all, because a shiny rolling release that they and > > > some users can use is still available. I am unhappy during the current > > > choke point of testing being frozen, but that choke point does serve as > > > an incentive for the whole project to work in the same direction: toward > > > actually getting a good stable release out. > > > > That's not true. It serves as an incentive for a large number of DDs to > > just do something else until the freeze is over and they can start > > working on their packages again. (easy to show by looking at the number > > of distinct uploaders over time, for example). > > How can this number indicate anything like that? > > Having no or not much uploads in (late) freeze time is normal in my > experience as the release is more important than showing stuff for the > next + 1 release into experimental.
Eh? How do you fix stuff in the next release if you don't make uploads? I'm not saying that the number of uploads should stay the same: it's normal to see it going down during freezes, since there are less things to change. However, if we think that DDs participate in RC bug fixing, the number of distinct uploaders should not go down. That's the number of distinct uploaders (according to Changed-By:) to unstable for each month since 2008: 2008-01 | 555 2008-02 | 628 2008-03 | 625 2008-04 | 594 2008-05 | 567 2008-06 | 610 2008-07 | 646 <- lenny froze 30/07 2008-08 | 515 2008-09 | 434 2008-10 | 440 2008-11 | 362 2008-12 | 385 2009-01 | 397 2009-02 | 475 <- lenny released 14/02 2009-03 | 532 2009-04 | 508 2009-05 | 546 2009-06 | 508 2009-07 | 530 2009-08 | 609 2009-09 | 586 2009-10 | 572 2009-11 | 587 2009-12 | 587 2010-01 | 661 2010-02 | 599 2010-03 | 578 2010-04 | 620 2010-05 | 596 2010-06 | 548 2010-07 | 543 2010-08 | 507 <- squeeze frozen 06/08 2010-09 | 380 2010-10 | 403 2010-11 | 413 2010-12 | 337 2011-01 | 313 2011-02 | 510 <- squeeze released 06/08 2011-03 | 518 2011-04 | 560 One could argue that, even if you are involved in RC bug squashing, you might not be making uploads that frequently, and that would explain why the number of distinct uploaders is going down. So let's take a step backward: Distinct uploaders to unstable from 01/01/2008 to 30/07/2008: 1229 Distinct uploaders to unstable from 30/07/2008 to 14/02/2008: 978 (lenny freeze) Distinct uploaders to unstable from 06/02/2010 to 06/08/2010: 1187 (6 months before freeze) Distinct uploaders to unstable from 06/08/2010 to 05/02/2011: 926 (squeeze freeze) So, we are losing a large number of contributors (> 20%) during freezes. And it's also possible that some of them don't come back (looking at the months following freezes, it takes some time to reach the pre-freeze numbers). -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110428200543.gb3...@xanadu.blop.info
