On 2009-04-29 07:46 (+0200), Adeodato Simó wrote:
> + Frank Lin PIAT (Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:54:07 +0200):
>> If the sender of the previous email is subscribed to the list:
>> If the sender of the previous mail was NOT subscribed to the list.
> And how does one (or their MUA) know which of these is
On Wed,29.Apr.09, 10:22:50, Brian May wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 09:19:04AM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> > How Mutt is able to detect all mailing lists? The fields in the headers
> > only allow to detect the current mailing list.
>
> You can define what are mailing lists using the "lists"
Frank Lin PIAT writes:
> The whole m-l / CoC problem comes from the assumption that all MUAs
> have advanced features, that are properly configured, and end-user
> have good understanding of what to do.
>
> If we can't achieve a reasonable behavior using Joe User's
> two-buttons-MUA, then it's gu
On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 09:20 +1000, Brian May wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:54:07PM +0200, Frank Lin PIAT wrote:
> > If the sender of the previous email is subscribed to the list:
> > If I select "Reply":
> > To=mailing-list
> > CC=
>
> What if you are replying to a response to some
On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 15:12 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Frank Lin PIAT writes:
>
> > If the sender of the previous email is subscribed to the list:
> > If I select "Reply":
> > To=mailing-list
> > CC=
> > If I select "Reply to all":
> > To=mailing-list
> > CC=Previous email's
On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 07:46 +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> + Frank Lin PIAT (Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:54:07 +0200):
>
> > If the sender of the previous email is subscribed to the list:
> [...]
>
> > If the sender of the previous mail was NOT subscribed to the list.
> [...]
>
> And how does one (or the
+ Frank Lin PIAT (Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:54:07 +0200):
> If the sender of the previous email is subscribed to the list:
[...]
> If the sender of the previous mail was NOT subscribed to the list.
[...]
And how does one (or their MUA) know which of these is the case?
--
- Are you sure we're good?
-
[Noah Slater]
> Mandating something which relies on the wholesale upgrade of hundreds
> of MUAs to get right by default doesn't sound like a good solution to
> me. I don't care how many RFCs you wave in my face. :)
Let's see ... another series of MUA-related standards documents, RFC
2045 and foll
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 09:19:04AM +0200, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> How Mutt is able to detect all mailing lists? The fields in the headers
> only allow to detect the current mailing list.
You can define what are mailing lists using the "lists" and "subcribe"
config options.
--
Brian May
--
To
Noah Slater writes:
> Hmm, [‘sup-mail’] looks very interesting! Thanks for tip Ben.
You're welcome.
Caveat: I tried it and dropped it because its support for Unicode is
currently broken (Bug#520374), and Ruby isn't a language I'm able to
hack.
--
\ “He who allows oppression, shares the
Osamu Aoki writes:
> As I checked popularity of similar plain text formatters via popcon,
>
>
> http://people.debian.org/~osamu/pub/getwiki/html/ch12.en.html#listoftoolstohigghtplaintextdata
>
> asciidoc 0.8% installed
> markdown 0.4% installed
> rest2web 0.1% installed
The correct package
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 02:34:11PM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
> personally I've more difficulty on handling usenet post on different
> computer: synchronize read post at home, office and offline laptop.
Unfortunately, this has also put me off NNTP. I think this is a
limitation in the clien
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:54:07PM +0200, Frank Lin PIAT wrote:
> If the sender of the previous email is subscribed to the list:
> If I select "Reply":
> To=mailing-list
> CC=
What if you are replying to a response to somebody who is not
subscribed to the list?
The emailer you are respo
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
But I'd prefer dropping 'o' as a bullet marker.
Yes, me too. But somewhere in this longish discussion it
was suggested to find a solution for currently existing descriptions
and ditch these cases later. I do not want to spend my time to
seek for the UR
Frank Lin PIAT writes:
> If the sender of the previous email is subscribed to the list:
> If I select "Reply":
> To=mailing-list
> CC=
> If I select "Reply to all":
> To=mailing-list
> CC=Previous email's recipient.
>
> If the sender of the previous mail was NOT subscribed to
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
RFH: Removing spam from the listarchive
---
As you all know, Lists and the Listarchive aren't 100% Spam-free. So we
provide a 'Report as Spam' on every page in the archive. Now we set up a
system to review those nom
Hello,
On Tue, 2009-04-28 at 12:07 +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> Bjørn Mork writes:
>
> > I don't know, but there are plenty of reasons to choose from. See e.g.
> > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html
>
> A stronger, and simpler, case is made by
> http://woozle.org/~neale/papers/reply
On 11734 March 1977, Andreas Tille wrote:
>How to address the fact that a rejection issue is solved now?
Reply to the rejection mail *or* have a changelog entry "fixed lalala as
mentioned by ftpmaster".
--
bye, Joerg
Free beer is something that I am never going to drink and free speech is
s
On 11734 March 1977, Charles Plessy wrote:
> In my profession we often say “The person who does not make mistakes usually
> does not do any work at all.”, so it is fine with me. Can I re-upload a
> version
> for main that you would fast-track to resolve the issue?
> Also, can you tell us where t
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 09:45:41PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> Anyway, the exact list of Bin-NMUs is rather uninteresting. More
> interesting can be, I think, the current list of known transitions
> against which the Release Team works, which you were pointed at on
> IRC later:
>
> https://b
(Bcc: -devel)
+ Cyril Brulebois (Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:09:53 +0200):
> Heya folks,
> after Ari asked on #dd, I was wondering where one can track the
> currently planned binNMUs, so that I could answer his “when will webkit
> stuff be rebuilt?” question. Is vorlon's page on ftp-master still the
> r
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 03:13:41PM -0400, James Vega wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 08:52:36PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 08:12:22PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> > > Folders aren't the only way to manage lots of messages sanely; ask any
> > > Google Mail user.
> > >
> > >
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009, Bastian Venthur wrote:
> This is a nice way to kill some free time. Is there something similar
> planned for the BTS or are the "mark as spam" messages in the BTS
> already dealed with?
They're currently handled manually, almost exclusively by Blars Blarson.
I assume more hel
Mike Hommey a écrit :
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 08:12:22PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
>> Brett Parker writes:
>>
>>> On 27 Apr 18:55, Noah Slater wrote:
Unfortunately, I don't use folders so I don't think this will work
for me.
>>> *boggle* - you claim to be on multiple lists and yet you d
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 08:52:36PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 08:12:22PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> > Folders aren't the only way to manage lots of messages sanely; ask any
> > Google Mail user.
> >
> > Since I wouldn't dream of recommending anyone use a proprietary data
>
+ Mike Hommey (Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:52:36 +0200):
> > Since I wouldn't dream of recommending anyone use a proprietary data
> > silo like Google Mail, I invite you instead to look at the ‘sup’ package
> > for a folder-less approach to organising email messages that many say is
> > superior.
> Descr
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 08:12:22PM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> Brett Parker writes:
>
> > On 27 Apr 18:55, Noah Slater wrote:
> > > Unfortunately, I don't use folders so I don't think this will work
> > > for me.
> >
> > *boggle* - you claim to be on multiple lists and yet you don't use
> > serve
On Tue,28.Apr.09, 20:56:57, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Also, can you tell us where to write comments related to NEW uploads in plain
> English, so that it can be documented in the Developers Reference? I think
> that
> debian/copyright it not the best place for this, and apparently README.source
>
Andreas Tille dijo [Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 04:51:56PM +0200]:
> 3. s/^(\s*)[.o]\s+/\1* /
> This enables rendering lists using 'o' and '.' as bullets
I know 'o' is a character visually similar to a bullet... But I would
really prefer to discourage its use as such, specially if now lists
will b
Raphael Hertzog schrieb:
> RFH: Removing spam from the listarchive
> ---
>
> As you all know, Lists and the Listarchive aren't 100% Spam-free. So we
> provide a 'Report as Spam' on every page in the archive. Now we set up a
> system to review those nomination
Goswin von Brederlow dijo [Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 12:48:58AM +0200]:
> Hi,
>
> I recently converted a few quilt using local packages to the new 3.0
> (quilt) format. Additionaly those packages are kept in an RCS
> (mercurial here). Now the problem is: How to version control them?
>
> The new format
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 04:51:56PM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Daniel Burrows wrote:
>
>> I'm happy to support whatever markup language people want to use.
...
> I used for markdown
...
> and for reST
FYI:
As I checked popularity of similar plain text formatters via popcon
On 2009-04-28, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 08:25:29AM -0700, Russ Allbery
> wrote:
>> Peter Eisentraut writes:
>> > Considering that most mailing list software has an elimnatecc feature,
>> > this is never really a problem for people who don't want that sort of
>> > behavior.
>
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:06:28AM -0400, Mark A. Hershberger wrote:
> Description : Provides a PHP API to create an HTML tree
Should be in 'is-a(n)' form, and is there no long description?
--
Jonathan Wiltshire
PGP/GPG: 0xDB800B52 / 4216 F01F DCA9 21AC F3D3 A903 CA6B EA3E DB80 0B52
si
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 08:25:29AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Peter Eisentraut writes:
>
> > Considering that most mailing list software has an elimnatecc feature,
> > this is never really a problem for people who don't want that sort of
> > behavior.
>
> This "feature" is hideously broken fo
Peter Eisentraut writes:
> Considering that most mailing list software has an elimnatecc feature,
> this is never really a problem for people who don't want that sort of
> behavior.
This "feature" is hideously broken for people (like myself) who split
list mail into separate folders, since it su
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 02:24:48PM +0200, Resul Cetin wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
>
>Package name: fofix
> Version: 3.100
> Upstream Author: Pascal Giard
> URL: http://code.google.com/p/fofix/
> License:
On Thu, 23 Apr 2009, Daniel Burrows wrote:
I'm happy to support whatever markup language people want to use.
Same for me. To feed some facts to be able to compare the options
I rendered the debug blends pages with reST using the very same code
for the preprocessing which does
1. s/^ //
2
Package: wnpp
Owner: Mark A. Hershberger
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: php-html-treemenu
Version : 1.2.1
Upstream Author : Chuck Burgess, Ken Guest, Richard Heyes
* URL or Web page : http://pear.php.net/package/HTML_TreeMenu/
* License : BSD
Description : Provid
I demand that Ben Finney may or may not have written...
[snip; M-F-T]
> RFC2822 (which define the semantics of ‘From’ and ‘Reply-To’) and
> RFC2369 (which defines the semantics of ‘List-Post’) are
> IETF-recommended standards; the other never achieved that.
Given that it's seen some use and been
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
X-Debbugs-CC: debian-devel@lists.debian.org
Package name: fofix
Version: 3.100
Upstream Author: Pascal Giard
URL: http://code.google.com/p/fofix/
License: GPL2
Description: game of musical skill and fast fingers
Frets on Fire X
Roger Leigh wrote:
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:04:50AM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
Anyway, the first rule of internet:
"be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others",
so people should accept wrong CC:s without crying, and people should follow
the CoC when sendi
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 08:56:57PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> Also, can you tell us where to write comments related to NEW uploads
> in plain English, so that it can be documented in the Developers
> Reference? I think that debian/copyright it not the best place for
> this, and apparently READM
Le mardi 28 avril 2009 à 14:12 +0200, Bjørn Mork a écrit :
> What's "the free software world"? Is that a separate networking domain,
> or is it connected to the Internet?
CALL THE METAPHOR POLICE!
--
.''`. Josselin Mouette
: :' :
`. `' “I recommend you to learn English in hope that you
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009, Charles Plessy wrote:
Also, can you tell us where to write comments related to NEW uploads in plain
English, so that it can be documented in the Developers Reference?
That's actually a really good question which I would like to formulate even more
clear:
How to address
Josselin Mouette writes:
> I’m not subscribed to any list which set the Reply-To header. Could you
> at least show some examples of such lists in the free software world?
What's "the free software world"? Is that a separate networking domain,
or is it connected to the Internet?
Anyway, here ar
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:04:50AM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
>
> Anyway, the first rule of internet:
> "be conservative in what you do, be liberal in what you accept from others",
> so people should accept wrong CC:s without crying, and people should follow
> the CoC when sending mails.
T
Le Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 08:32:28PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert a écrit :
> > If you ask me things are quite clear: From a Debian point of view the
> > source includes *.orig.tar.gz, *.dsc and *.diff. The files are connected
> > via md5sum in *.dsc. So shipping the source of a PDF in the diff should
> >
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 09:56:59AM +0300, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> Another problem on the flip side is that many people don't observe the "please
> cc me" requests on Debian mailing lists, and that way communication gets
> annoying. So in practical terms, it is safer to add more recipients to the
Le Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 07:36:27PM -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 08:41:14PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > Le Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 01:42:04PM +, Joerg Jaspert a écrit :
> > > Hi Maintainer,
>
> > > rejected, i think we are missing the source for the pdf in doc/.
>
On 090428 10:18, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Reply-to-list works with most of the major mailing list software.
>
> I’m not subscribed to any list which set the Reply-To header. Could you
> at least show some examples of such lists in the free software world?
>
Skåne Sjælland Linux User Group (SSLU
2009/4/28 Josselin Mouette :
> I’m not subscribed to any list which set the Reply-To header. Could you
> at least show some examples of such lists in the free software world?
Just a few (all of them form Argentina):
miembros-at-usla.org.ar; anillo-lst-at-linux.org.ar,
lug-org-at-lugmen.org.ar, *-at
Brett Parker writes:
> On 27 Apr 18:55, Noah Slater wrote:
> > Unfortunately, I don't use folders so I don't think this will work
> > for me.
>
> *boggle* - you claim to be on multiple lists and yet you don't use
> server side filtering and folders?! OK - now that's just plain odd.
Folders aren
On 27 Apr 18:49, Noah Slater wrote:
> > So, user error, not software error...
>
> This illustrates my point perfectly!
>
> It's not user error, because I'm just doing what I've learnt to do.
Erm - how's that not user error? What you've learnt is obviously wrong. Relearn
how to use your MUA effi
On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 10:46:01AM +0100, Brett Parker wrote:
> *boggle* - you claim to be on multiple lists and yet you don't use server side
> filtering and folders?! OK - now that's just plain odd.
Neither do I, does that make me odd too? By all means comment on how I
or anyone elses uses lists
On 28 Apr 03:58, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
> Ben Finney a écrit :
> > Noah Slater writes:
> >
> >> Yes, I know the L command, but thanks for pointing it out! My argument
> >> is that I have to remember to use when I am replying to the Debian
> >> lists, which as you can see, doesn't happen ve
On 27 Apr 18:55, Noah Slater wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 07:48:50PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> > I fully agree with this. I think having to remember which key one must
> > use in each context for "r"eply is lame. This is why I do in my ~/.muttrc:
> [...]
> > Where l/debian is the folder whi
Steve Langasek wrote:
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 04:16:08PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le lundi 27 avril 2009 à 14:44 +0200, Michael Tautschnig a écrit :
If you're annoyed by cc:s (well, Holger, I know you are, you told me about that
more than once :-) ), configure your mailclient to set Mail-
On Tue, 28 Apr 2009, Noah Slater wrote:
> If this is such a concern, I would like to see the Code of Conduct
> updates to recommend that people concerned with follow up emails set
> the appropriate headers in their own clients. This was detailed
> earlier in this thread.
If people want followups,
Le mardi 28 avril 2009 à 10:11 +1000, Brian May a écrit :
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 04:16:08PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > C. Only supported by a handful of clients
>
> A number of clients won't automatically generate the header, but may
> still support it for group replies. I think th
Le mardi 28 avril 2009 à 02:56 +0100, Noah Slater a écrit :
> It's all very well having a feature like this, but if that feature is easy to
> forget because Debian's lists are the only ones that want me use it, it's
> hardly
> of any real value. Add a Reply-To and this problem goes away.
Reply-to
Le lundi 27 avril 2009 à 22:47 -0700, Steve Langasek a écrit :
> Removing that snippet would be fair; but I don't think this transition has
> actually been managed very well, since on a system that's been upgraded
> continuously since woody I now see that /etc/gconf/schemas/ is full of
> orphaned .
On Mon, Apr 27, 2009 at 04:53:11PM -0400, James Vega wrote:
> > Please have a look at garlic-doc. It does not look right.
> It's using `o' as the bullet character which is not supported by
> Markdown/rST. This has already been identified as a case that will need
> to be fixed by the individual pac
Le mardi 28 avril 2009 à 01:25 +0300, Marius Vollmer a écrit :
> If all files in /etc/gconf/schemas are totally useless (i.e., nobody
> reads them), why not put a big cleanup hack in, say, gconf itself that
> just removes that directory entirely. (In addition to removing the
> snipped from dh_gcon
+ Steve Langasek (Mon, 27 Apr 2009 22:13:57 -0700):
> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 06:43:00PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote:
> > I’m unsure why assigning VERS_1 to all symbols works for preserving
> > compatibility, whereas old binaries use symbols not associated with any
> > version node (i.e., @Base). M
+ Mike Hommey (Tue, 28 Apr 2009 07:46:35 +0200):
> On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 11:53:12AM +1000, Ben Finney wrote:
> > Noah Slater writes:
> > > Yes, I know the L command, but thanks for pointing it out! My argument
> > > is that I have to remember to use when I am replying to the Debian
> > > lists
William Pitcock writes:
> On Mon, 2009-04-27 at 14:05 +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > As it sadly happens many times every day. And as long as there are
> > no means to enforce it (either pure social or aided by technology),
> > it will continue to happen.
>
> Reply-To: debian-devel@lists.debian
OoO En cette fin de nuit blanche du mardi 28 avril 2009, vers 05:27,
Brian May disait :
>> I tried hard, for many years, to love the Mail-Followup-To field, but I
>> must agree that it doesn't serve the purpose well enough to recommend.
>> (Briefly: it breaks when a discussion crosses between
Quoting Lucas Brasilino (lucas.brasil...@gmail.com):
> Thanks a lot for you answer. By the way, can you please point me out
> some updated
> documentation about templates, debconf protocol, commands, etc?
If you introduce debconf templates, you may want to get them reviewed
by the debian-l10n-eng
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