Re: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Gustavo Noronha
On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 15:47 +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > PROPOSAL START > > General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian > Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements > to initi

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Gustavo Noronha
On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 16:24 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le samedi 21 mars 2009 à 15:58 +0100, Joerg Jaspert a écrit : > > Honestly, if you cant deal with listing the Authors/(C) holders - dont > > maintain a package. It is not much work to list them. > > Bullshit. The last time FTP masters R

Re: Transition of initscripts to new order / sequence number

2009-03-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 09:16:31AM +0100, Jakub Wilk wrote: >> It seems to me that it would be a lot less effort to fix this by removing >> file-rc in Debian, which has only a handful (137) of popcon reports. Even >> if we take into consideration that popcon isn't a good source of absolute >> numb

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:00:00 -0700 Steve Langasek wrote: > > > No. It is not up to the Debian maintainer to decide that some > > contributor has written enough of the code to also be mentioned in > > the (C) lines in a particular file. But as soon as upstream lists > > them either in a file head

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 22/03/09 at 23:53 +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 03:47:57PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > Hi, > > I have to disapprove on a proposal whose purpose is essentially to > disfranchise developers from their right related to general resolutions. > General resolutions are a m

Re: What are the benefits of a machine-parseable ‘debian/copyright’ file?

2009-03-22 Thread Ben Finney
Neil Williams writes: > On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:03:10 +1100 > Ben Finney wrote: > > > * Display of the copyright notices, license grant and terms (in > > e.g. ‘aptitude’) when deciding whether or not to install a > > package. > > I don't see how that is a real gain, except for packages in > non

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 10:59:34AM +1100, Ben Finney wrote: > That's a fair question, but AUIU, it is not up to the proposer, having > already proposed, to decide when the vote gets called. > It's up to the proposer or any of the seconders to do so. Neil -- hermanr_: I never studied german I

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-03-22 Thread Michael Banck
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 11:13:54PM +0100, Christian Perrier wrote: > Quoting Andreas Tille (til...@rki.de): > > > Package: a2ps > > - various encodings (all the Latins and others), > > - various fonts (automatic font down loading), > > - various medias, > > ^^ (two spaces) > Please note tha

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Ben Finney
Bill Allombert writes: > I have to disapprove on a proposal whose purpose is essentially to > disfranchise developers from their right related to general > resolutions. This proposed change disenfranchises no-one; no-one's rights are deprived. It does not discriminate and treats all DDs equally

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 23:53:02 +0100 Bill Allombert wrote: > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 03:47:57PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > Hi, > > I have to disapprove on a proposal whose purpose is essentially to > disfranchise developers from their right related to general resolutions. Umm, so vote agains

Re: [dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:53:02PM +0100, Bill Allombert wrote: > The first GR was passed in June 2003 and there were 804 developers. > The last GR was passed in November 2008 and there were 1018 developers. > Actually, to be fair, the first vote was 1999, with 357 developers. Neil -- < vorlon>

Re: What are the benefits of a machine-parseable ‘ debian/copyright’ file?

2009-03-22 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 23 Mar 2009 10:03:10 +1100 Ben Finney wrote: > * Display of the copyright notices, license grant and terms (in e.g. > ‘aptitude’) when deciding whether or not to install a package. I don't see how that is a real gain, except for packages in non-free. Are we looking for a problem to ju

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Michael Banck
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 09:00:34PM +0100, Arthur de Jong wrote: > On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 12:11 +, Noah Slater wrote: > > Firmly in my mind is the cost/benefit of this extra effort. If we > > succeed in integrating debian/copyright checks into lintian, or dpkg > > and it's front-ends, it seems re

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2009-03-22 Thread Panagiotes Mousikides
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[dissenting]: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Bill Allombert
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 03:47:57PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Hi, I have to disapprove on a proposal whose purpose is essentially to disfranchise developers from their right related to general resolutions. General resolutions are a much more democratic and mature processes to handle conflicts t

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Ben Finney
Peter Palfrader writes: > On Sun, 22 Mar 2009, Noah Slater wrote: > > > Listing the licences (not necessarily copyright holders) in a > > machine readable format would allow lintian checks to be > > developed, and maybe even automatic license compatibility checks > > to be performed. > > The wa

What are the benefits of a machine-parseable ‘d ebian/copyright’ file? (was: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files)

2009-03-22 Thread Ben Finney
Arthur de Jong writes: > I have been reading this discussion a bit and I've been wondering > what use-case you actually have for machine-readable > debian/copyright files. Several off the top of my head: * Automated generation of ‘license::foo’ tags for the package, allowing users to select o

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le dimanche 22 mars 2009 à 20:11 +, Noah Slater a écrit : > > Did you mean "copyright" here? No one is disputing the need to document > > the license of every file that goes into forming the contents of the > > binary package. > > No, I meant license. > > It seems people ARE disputing that l

Re: Fw: svnbuildstat, "Need build" status

2009-03-22 Thread Hideki Yamane
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:06:57 +0100 Gonéri Le Bouder wrote: > > Could anyone to tell me how to solve below this svnbuildstat issue? > > http://svnbuildstat.debian.net/packages/list/25 > Hi, > > Svnbuildstat is unmaintained for a while now. buildstat.d.n is the futur. > Everybody will be able to

Bug#520827: ITP: drascula -- point and click adventure

2009-03-22 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Moritz Muehlenhoff * Package name: drascula Upstream Author : Alcachofa Soft S.L. Programming Lang: N/A Description : point and click adventure "Drascula - The Vampire Strikes Back" is a Spanish point-and-click adventure from the 90ies, which

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-22 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009, Jim wrote: Hi. I took the suggestion of one of the replies to your original post and read about debian pure blends, and at first I thought demudi was a pure blend; At the time of writing the DeMuDi project *intended* to become 100% Debian - but this intend was not fullfill

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Moritz Muehlenhoff
Joerg Jaspert wrote: > >>> No. It is not up to the Debian maintainer to decide that some >>> contributor has written enough of the code to also be mentioned in the >>> (C) lines in a particular file. But as soon as upstream lists them >>> either in a file header or the AUTHORS file the Debian maint

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 09:08:54PM +, Noah Slater wrote: > Am I the cat's mother? I'm not sure which is more rude, replying to emails > faster than other people or criticising someone's behaviour in a public forum. > If you think I reply to emails too fast, please do so in private in the > fut

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-03-22 Thread Raphael Geissert
Neil Williams wrote: > > If large numbers of package descriptions are to change collectively, > it's best to make that one change with two aims rather than two separate > changes. Less work for everyone involved. But Andreas' RFC affects the source packages, yours only affects the infrastructure

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 09:55:10PM +0100, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > He is monopolizing the discussion. He should let some time pass between > replies to take into account the opinions of others. Furthermore, by > replying too fast he is actively making the discussion non-followable by > many persons

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009, David Paleino wrote: > On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:24:51 +0100, Julien Cristau wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 02:47:04 +, Noah Slater wrote: > > [21 times] > > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 20:19:56 +, Noah Slater wrote: > > > > may I suggest you stop doing that? > > What

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread David Paleino
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:24:51 +0100, Julien Cristau wrote: > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 02:47:04 +, Noah Slater wrote: > [21 times] > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 20:19:56 +, Noah Slater wrote: > > may I suggest you stop doing that? What's wrong with properly replying without breaking threads? Ye

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Julien Cristau
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 02:47:04 +, Noah Slater wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 02:53:51 +, Noah Slater wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 02:55:47 +, Noah Slater wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 02:58:56 +, Noah Slater wrote: On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 03:02:51 +, Noah Slater wrote: On S

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 09:00:34PM +0100, Arthur de Jong wrote: > I can understand there may be benefits of a parsable format but I don't > directly see enough gain. On the other hand there seems to be a lot of > (perceived) cost involved (maintainer work). Implicit in your email is the idea that

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 01:02:22PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > we can just copy that notice, ignoring the fact that ISC doesn't do > copyright assignment and the actual copyrights are held by way more > different people than are explicitly mentioned there. I don't think > there's any utility in d

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 12:55:58PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > I think part of the problem right now is that people aren't sure what to > expect and are feeling like this review is somewhat unpredictable. This > is what I'm hoping to be able to help with by revising the Policy section. > If we ca

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 12:29:37PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Noah Slater writes: > > > Having said that, I am thinking that fully documenting the license of > > each file provides a handy way to ensure that developers are thoroughly > > checking the package for licensing problems. > > Did you m

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Arthur de Jong
On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 12:11 +, Noah Slater wrote: > Firmly in my mind is the cost/benefit of this extra effort. If we > succeed in integrating debian/copyright checks into lintian, or dpkg > and it's front-ends, it seems reasonable to imagine that this effort > would be a good trade-off. I hav

ITP lmtp-server

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Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 07:10:46PM +, Sune Vuorela wrote: > > A license check must, by definition, involve each file in the package. > > > > As re-quoted from the quote you previously quoted: > > > > "I don't see why it should be considered that much extra effort > > documenting > > the pr

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Neil Williams writes: > We also need clarity on why debian/copyright should have a higher level > of scrutiny than the upstream itself. Debian does not hold copyright on > most upstream source packages, why do we second-guess upstream teams? It's worth noting here that most upstreams distribute

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Joerg Jaspert writes: > Also, keep in mind what Mark wrote elsewhere. He asked the DPL to let > SPI get us some lawyers input on the question. Thats probably the best > course. Yes. I'm wholeheartedly in favor of this, and I think we should hold any resolution of this discussion for the results

Re: Please Improve Debian for Multimedia Production

2009-03-22 Thread Jim
Grammostola Rosea, Hi. I took the suggestion of one of the replies to your original post and read about debian pure blends, and at first I thought demudi was a pure blend; it's listed as one of the projects but is not actually a pure blend, which I guess means they might have updated apps and spec

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Noah Slater writes: > Having said that, I am thinking that fully documenting the license of > each file provides a handy way to ensure that developers are thoroughly > checking the package for licensing problems. Did you mean "copyright" here? No one is disputing the need to document the licens

Re: svnbuildstat, "Need build" status

2009-03-22 Thread Gonéri Le Bouder
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 08:16:47PM +0100, David Paleino wrote: > On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:06:57 +0100, Gonéri Le Bouder wrote: > > > Svnbuildstat is unmaintained for a while now. buildstat.d.n is the futur. > > Everybody will be able to have its own buildbot and the report will be > > [..] But I nee

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Jonas Meurer (21/03/2009): > Joerg, please don't you see the consequences of your harsh discussion > style? You can cross out “discussion” here. Mraw, KiBi. signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: svnbuildstat, "Need build" status

2009-03-22 Thread David Paleino
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:06:57 +0100, Gonéri Le Bouder wrote: > Svnbuildstat is unmaintained for a while now. buildstat.d.n is the futur. > Everybody will be able to have its own buildbot and the report will be > [..] But I need to finish the release for the moment. Help welcome! :) Is the code ava

Re: Fw: svnbuildstat, "Need build" status

2009-03-22 Thread Gonéri Le Bouder
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 09:47:37PM +0900, Hideki Yamane wrote: > Hi, > > Could anyone to tell me how to solve below this svnbuildstat issue? > http://svnbuildstat.debian.net/packages/list/25 Hi, Svnbuildstat is unmaintained for a while now. buildstat.d.n is the futur. Everybody will be able to

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2009-03-22, Noah Slater wrote: > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 04:31:58AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: >> Le dimanche 22 mars 2009 à 02:58 +, Noah Slater a écrit : >> > Again, while the documentation of individual licenses may not be policy, >> > it is >> > certainly policy for each package to

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:35:26AM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > I could see an argument that putting the contents of NOTICE into > debian/copyright satisfies the second possibility -- "within the ... > documentation, if provided along with the Derivative works" -- but I think > just installing the

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Julien Cristau
On Sat, 2009-03-21 at 15:58 +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Honestly, if you cant deal with listing the Authors/(C) holders - dont > maintain a package. Is this you volunteering to maintain X? Cheers, Julien -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "uns

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Florian Weimer writes: > The file NOTICE contains this hint: > > | This product includes software developed at > | The Apache Software Foundation (http://www.apache.org/). > > I'm wondering if this should be reflected in the copyright file (and > if the NOTICE file should be installed in the bina

Bug#520765: ITP: fsprotect -- Make filesystems immutable

2009-03-22 Thread Stefanos Harhalakis
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Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 03:27:46PM +0100, Peter Palfrader wrote: > The way this process should work is that you (or somebody) writes those > tools. > > Then, if DDs see that those tools are useful they will convert their > debian/copyright files to take advantage of those tools all by > themselves.

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 02:13:20PM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > Perhaps this is where we're not quite seeing eye-to-eye. I know that > machine readable copyright files would allow lintian checks. But what > would those checks be, and what would be the point of them? I believe there has been so di

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 03:35:13PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: > Files: share/www/script/json.js > License: PD > In the public domain. > > This file does not exist. Yes, it seems the file is: share/www/script/jso2.js > The file NOTICE contains this hint: > > | This product includes software

Re: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Andreas Metzler
[second try, this with mutt instead of tin] In article <87vdq3gcf6@vorlon.ganneff.de> (gmane.linux.debian.devel.general) you wrote: [...] > PROPOSAL START > > General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debi

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 03:47:39PM +0100, Romain Beauxis wrote: > Le Sunday 22 March 2009 14:45:18 Noah Slater, vous avez écrit : > > > Could you provide a use case or two to help clarify things? The main > > > one I see is for an end user to look at a packages copyright file and > > > say 'yes, I

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Re: Minimum kernel requirement for Squeeze

2009-03-22 Thread Aurelien Jarno
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 09:59:06PM +, Roger Leigh wrote: > Hi folks, > > With respect to #494001, I would like to determine the minimum > version of the linux kernel we will > > a) support and > b) be physically capable of running > > for Squeeze. > > It has been asserted that squeeze w

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Romain Beauxis
Le Sunday 22 March 2009 14:45:18 Noah Slater, vous avez écrit : > > Could you provide a use case or two to help clarify things? The main > > one I see is for an end user to look at a packages copyright file and > > say 'yes, I can use it for $foo', which is a case that's detracted from > > in the p

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Florian Weimer
* Noah Slater: > If you're telling me that the FTP masters would be happy with blanket license > statements for a package, what is stopping you from using the existing format > to > say something along the lines of: > > Files: * > Copyright: Copyright 2008, Damien Katz >Copyright 2008, J

Peer-review of copyright files.

2009-03-22 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 11:45:27AM +0100, Romain Beauxis a écrit : > > There was at some point a discussion about a collaborative copyright > proofread. > I think this would be a great improvement in our workflow. What was the > conclusion of this proposal ? Hi Romain, the proposal is here: ht

Re: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 01:39:13PM +0100, Andreas Metzler wrote: > In article <87vdq3gcf6@vorlon.ganneff.de> > (gmane.linux.debian.devel.general) you wrote: > [...] > > PROPOSAL START > > > > General Resolutions are an im

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Peter Palfrader
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009, Noah Slater wrote: > > I'm not quite clear as to why this is an advantage yet Currently, this > > seems to have been designed to provide interfaces for future tools to > > use, while not regarding whether or not people want those tools. > > > > Could you provide a use case or

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 01:45:18PM +, Noah Slater wrote: > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:42:29AM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > > I'm not quite clear as to why this is an advantage yet Currently, this > > seems to have been designed to provide interfaces for future tools to > > use, while not regar

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:54:49AM +, Neil Williams wrote: > Then reconsider the remark. The proposed format is more work for many > overworked maintainers, it presents no clear gain for those maintainers, > it overly complicates the file and file handling. There is no point > arguing about the

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:42:29AM +, Neil McGovern wrote: > I'm not quite clear as to why this is an advantage yet Currently, this > seems to have been designed to provide interfaces for future tools to > use, while not regarding whether or not people want those tools. > > Could you provide a

Re: Bug#493951: libpkg-guide: recommendations are contrary to accepted best practices

2009-03-22 Thread Sandro Tosi
tags 493951 +help thanks On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 07:32, Steve Langasek wrote: > Package: libpkg-guide > Version: 0.0.20070413 > Severity: serious > > The libpkg-guide that has been packaged and is now in the archive gives > recommendations regarding -dev package naming which are not at all > repre

Fw: svnbuildstat, "Need build" status

2009-03-22 Thread Hideki Yamane
Hi, Could anyone to tell me how to solve below this svnbuildstat issue? http://svnbuildstat.debian.net/packages/list/25 > Begin forwarded message: > > Date: Sun, 15 Mar 2009 15:03:49 +0900 > From: Hideki Yamane > To: pkg-fonts-de...@lists.alioth.debian.org > Subject: svnbuildstat, "Need build

Amendment: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Neil McGovern
Hi, Thanks for bringing this GR. I'd like to propose an amendment: AMENDMENT START General Resolutions are an important framework within the Debian Project. Yet, in a project the size of Debian, the current requirements to i

Re: Proposal: Enhance requirements for General resolutions

2009-03-22 Thread Andreas Metzler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 In article <87vdq3gcf6@vorlon.ganneff.de> (gmane.linux.debian.devel.general) you wrote: [...] > PROPOSAL START > > General Resolutions are an important framework within the D

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:16:10 + Noah Slater wrote: > On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:35:02AM +, Neil Williams wrote: > > IMHO it is about not getting hung up on the process but considering the > > reasoning behind the process. AFAICT, there is no good reason to > > document every single copyrig

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 12:56:06 +0100 Joerg Jaspert wrote: > First, let me apologize for my last mail in this thread, it had been a > little too rude/harsh/direct. My fault, sorry. (We all should calm down, > flaming won't help) /me calms down too. > On 11696 March 1977, Russ Allbery wrote: > > J

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 11:35:02AM +, Neil Williams wrote: > IMHO it is about not getting hung up on the process but considering the > reasoning behind the process. AFAICT, there is no good reason to > document every single copyright holder but there are very good reasons > to document every ap

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 08:45:55PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Given that many people have already said that it is, perhaps this is the > point where you should just accept that they're not lying to you and > instead you're suffering from a failure of imagination? > > I know from personal experien

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 08:42:12PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Could you explain to me how the lack of those two things is a possible > DFSG problem? I assume that this is based on the first, but that seems > like quite a stretch to me. The same assurance, for what good there is in > it, could b

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 08:13:54PM +1300, Andrew McMillan wrote: > On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 03:34 +, Noah Slater wrote: > > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 08:07:23PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > > NEW rejections are even stronger than an RC bug. Apart from questions of > > > whether that's useful docu

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Joerg Jaspert
First, let me apologize for my last mail in this thread, it had been a little too rude/harsh/direct. My fault, sorry. (We all should calm down, flaming won't help) On 11696 March 1977, Russ Allbery wrote: > Joerg Jaspert writes: >> We require, and have seen nothing to convince us otherwise, that

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 02:47:04 + Noah Slater wrote: > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 03:58:34PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > Honestly, if you cant deal with listing the Authors/(C) holders - dont > > maintain a package. It is not much work to list them. (It might be a lot > > of work using the "new

Re: What happens to snapshot.debian.net?

2009-03-22 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Sonntag, 22. März 2009, Aníbal Monsalve Salazar wrote: > What I did the other day was to download the files from the package web > page. For lvm2 it's http://snapshot.debian.net/package/lvm2 Well, that works, but there are no snapshots after mid 2008 available... :( regards, Holg

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Neil McGovern
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 02:47:04AM +, Noah Slater wrote: > This has clear advantages for being able to post-process, check, search, and > navigate copyright information using whatever tools the community decides > would > be profitable. > I'm not quite clear as to why this is an advantage ye

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Neil Williams
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 02:53:51 + Noah Slater wrote: > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 09:42:35AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > Why do they have to? I know, the ftp team made it up. But there > > is no reason in policy or in copyright law for such copying to > > occur. But it would be nic

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-03-22 Thread Ben Finney
Lionel Elie Mamane writes: > The very long lengths seem to come mostly from lists of CTAN > packages in a Debian package; I find these useful, as I can > "apt-cache search CTAN_package" to find it in Debian. For that purpose, it would seem ‘apt-file’ can do the job better, obviating the need for

Re: abiword package lacks maintenance

2009-03-22 Thread Sam Morris
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009 02:27:51 +0900, Masayuki Hatta wrote: >> the abiword package, maintained by mhatta and joshk, could definitely >> use some more care. The version that is in Debian was released back in >> Nov 2006 [1], and it currently includes a grave bug that makes the >> package nearly unusa

Re: What happens to snapshot.debian.net?

2009-03-22 Thread Aníbal Monsalve Salazar
On Sun, Mar 22, 2009 at 10:26:18AM +0100, Klaus Ethgen wrote: >I am trying to get ridge on the problem with lvm2. Therefore I have to >get some old packages from snapshot.debian.net. Unfortunately it seems >to be broken for some time now. I tried to contact the maintainer >(u...@debian.org) but got

What happens to snapshot.debian.net?

2009-03-22 Thread Klaus Ethgen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 Hello, I am trying to get ridge on the problem with lvm2. Therefore I have to get some old packages from snapshot.debian.net. Unfortunately it seems to be broken for some time now. I tried to contact the maintainer (u...@debian.org) but got no answe

Re: net-tools future

2009-03-22 Thread Florian Weimer
* Wouter Verhelst: > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:53:55PM +0100, Florian Weimer wrote: >> * Bernd Zeimetz: >> > Being able to rename an interface without messing with udev is a >> > feature, not a bug. >> >> I think you can't rename most interfaces after the boot process >> anyway. Or has the kern

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-03-22 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sun, 22 Mar 2009, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote: http://debian-med.alioth.debian.org/tasks/typesetting.html The very long lengths seem to come mostly from lists of CTAN packages in a Debian package; I find these useful, as I can "apt-cache search CTAN_package" to find it in Debian. Yes, I'm

Re: Transition of initscripts to new order / sequence number

2009-03-22 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Steve Langasek , 2009-03-21, 17:07: I know some package maintainers handle this by ignoring the existence of file-rc and just removing symlinks directly in /etc/rcX.d/. As long as file-rc exist and is supposed in Debian, I believe it is a bad idea. :( It seems to me that it would be a lot le

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-03-22 Thread Lionel Elie Mamane
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 10:52:10PM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > I agree that some descriptions are definitely to long. I wonder who > should really read some descriptions to the end. Bad examples can > be viewn here: >http://debian-med.alioth.debian.org/tasks/typesetting.html The very lon

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Andrew McMillan
On Sun, 2009-03-22 at 03:34 +, Noah Slater wrote: > On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 08:07:23PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > NEW rejections are even stronger than an RC bug. Apart from questions of > > whether that's useful documentation for users, I have a hard time seeing > > either of your reasons

Re: Revising Policy 12.5 (Copyright information)

2009-03-22 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Mar 20, 2009 at 07:34:17PM +0100, Romain Beauxis wrote: > > (For example, up until I > > started experimenting with the new copyright file format, I never > > documented the license or copyright information for any of the > > Autotools-generated files, and I never heard a peep of concern a

Re: RFC: Better formatting for long descriptions

2009-03-22 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Andreas Tille (til...@rki.de): > On Sat, 21 Mar 2009, Christian Perrier wrote: > >> Please note that debian-l10n-english suggests using the enumeration >> style you mention for a2ps, when we're reviewing package >> descriptions... > > BTW, once you answered in this thread: Shouldn't we make

Re: Sponsorship requirements and copyright files

2009-03-22 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 12:49:12PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Jonas Meurer writes: > > On 21/03/2009 Mike Hommey wrote: > >> On Sat, Mar 21, 2009 at 03:58:34PM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > >>> Honestly, if you cant deal with listing the Authors/(C) holders - dont > >>> maintain a package. It