Re: Not stopping daemons, where are we?

2008-07-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 02:27:44AM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > >> I mean the pending-write case is the most obvious. But what about resolver > >> caches, VPNs and the like? > > What kind of data loss do you expect to arise from shutting down a VPN >

Re: Not stopping daemons, where are we?

2008-07-01 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: >> I mean the pending-write case is the most obvious. But what about resolver >> caches, VPNs and the like? > > What kind of data loss do you expect to arise from shutting down a VPN > client without giving it time to save state? I dont expect any data lo

Re: Please focus on one generic spell checker in Debian (Was: Bug#487732: O: ispell -- International Ispell (an interactive spelling corrector))

2008-07-01 Thread Michael Tautschnig
> Michael Tautschnig wrote: > > Debian's Social Contract says that "Our priorities are our users and free > > software". It does _not_ say that "Debian should tell users what is good". > > Right? > > > Taken to the extreme, this would mean Debian would still require obsolete kernel version here

Re: Please focus on one generic spell checker in Debian (Was: Bug#487732: O: ispell -- International Ispell (an interactive spelling corrector))

2008-07-01 Thread Brian May
Michael Tautschnig wrote: > Debian's Social Contract says that "Our priorities are our users and free > software". It does _not_ say that "Debian should tell users what is good". > Right? > Taken to the extreme, this would mean Debian would still require because some users still need it for obs

Samuelson's Law (was: Please focus on one generic spell checker in Debian)

2008-07-01 Thread Ben Finney
Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > [Michael Tautschnig] > > Debian's Social Contract says that "Our priorities are our users > > and free software". It does _not_ say that "Debian should tell > > users what is good". Right? > > Would it be appropriate here to propose a corollary to God

Re: Not stopping daemons, where are we?

2008-07-01 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Jul 01, 2008 at 03:38:20PM +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > > There is no such proposal to do this for all daemons. That's why the > > defaults have not changed and the individual packages must do it. > Yes, but do you think individual packages ca

Bug#488877: ITP: libtrollop-ruby -- command-line argument processing library

2008-07-01 Thread Decklin Foster
Package: wnpp Owner: Decklin Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Severity: wishlist This is one of a series of ITPs for Ruby libraries ("gems") required for the packaging of sup-mail; see #450602. If anyone at all is interested in stepping in to maintain one or more of these libraries, please let me know.

Bug#488872: ITP: liblockfile-ruby -- create NFS-safe lockfiles

2008-07-01 Thread Decklin Foster
Package: wnpp Owner: Decklin Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Severity: wishlist This is one of a series of ITPs for Ruby libraries ("gems") required for the packaging of sup-mail; see #450602. If anyone at all is interested in stepping in to maintain one or more of these libraries, please let me know.

Bug#488873: ITP: libmime-types-ruby -- guess MIME type of files

2008-07-01 Thread Decklin Foster
Package: wnpp Owner: Decklin Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Severity: wishlist This is one of a series of ITPs for Ruby libraries ("gems") required for the packaging of sup-mail; see #450602. If anyone at all is interested in stepping in to maintain one or more of these libraries, please let me know.

Re: Not stopping daemons, where are we?

2008-07-01 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 01 Jul 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mardi 01 juillet 2008 à 11:55 +0100, James Westby a écrit : > > Given that in runlevels 0 and 6 there is an init script that terminates > > all running processes it is a waste to run an init script for each > > process before that. In Ubuntu we remo

Bug#488855: ITP: libchronic-ruby -- natural language date parser

2008-07-01 Thread Decklin Foster
Package: wnpp Owner: Decklin Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Severity: wishlist This is one of a series of ITPs for Ruby libraries ("gems") required for the packaging of sup-mail; see #450602. If anyone at all is interested in stepping in to maintain one or more of these libraries, please let me know.

Bug#488856: ITP: libferret-ruby -- search engine derived from Lucene

2008-07-01 Thread Decklin Foster
Package: wnpp Owner: Decklin Foster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Severity: wishlist This is one of a series of ITPs for Ruby libraries ("gems") required for the packaging of sup-mail; see #450602. If anyone at all is interested in stepping in to maintain one or more of these libraries, please let me know.

Re: RFC: Idea for improved diversions and alternatives handling

2008-07-01 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
James Vega <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 02:03:05AM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: >> So if we allow multiple packages to be installed at the same time which >> divert the same file, then I think we have another case for wanting to >> continue supporting an optional diversion

Re: Please focus on one generic spell checker in Debian

2008-07-01 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080701 14:33]: > No, you have to get rid of the stubborn users, first ;) > > @Bernhard: How about configuring you keyboard to whatever fits you better than > the multikey sequence? And waste keys for characters I can just write well (and just needing to press

Re: Please focus on one generic spell checker in Debian (Was: Bug#487732: O: ispell -- International Ispell (an interactive spelling corrector))

2008-07-01 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Michael Tautschnig] > Debian's Social Contract says that "Our priorities are our users and free > software". It does _not_ say that "Debian should tell users what is good". > Right? Would it be appropriate here to propose a corollary to Godwin's Law involving the first sentence of point 4 of the

Re: Not stopping daemons, where are we?

2008-07-01 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > There is no such proposal to do this for all daemons. That's why the > defaults have not changed and the individual packages must do it. Yes, but do you think individual packages can decide how the environment they are running in might look like? I mean

Re: Not stopping daemons, where are we?

2008-07-01 Thread James Westby
On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 15:38 +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > I happened to see a similar bug filed against backuppc. > > How many of these bugs have been filed? > Are you aware of the Debian policy regarding mass bug filing [1]? > I have filed two (from memory). I am aware of that policy. > IMO this i

Re: Not stopping daemons, where are we?

2008-07-01 Thread Frans Pop
Le mardi 01 juillet 2008 à 11:55 +0100, James Westby a écrit : > Given that in runlevels 0 and 6 there is an init script that terminates > all running processes it is a waste to run an init script for each > process before that. In Ubuntu we remove the scripts that do nothing > more than terminate

Bug#431824: Still interested in packaging? Would you be interested in co-maintainance?

2008-07-01 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Package: wnpp Followup-For: Bug #431824 Owner: Jonas Smedegaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi, I've prepared a Debian packaging of morla, available at the collab-maint Git repository at Alioth here: http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/morla.git;a=summary If you are still interested in packaging, yo

Re: Please focus on one generic spell checker in Debian (Was: Bug#487732: O: ispell -- International Ispell (an interactive spelling corrector))

2008-07-01 Thread Thibaut Paumard
Le 1 juil. 08 à 14:59, Michael Tautschnig a écrit : Am Dienstag, 1. Juli 2008 12:33:18 schrieb Lars Wirzenius: ti, 2008-07-01 kello 12:10 +0200, Thibaut Paumard kirjoitti: Come on, UTF-8 is good. UTF-8 also 16 years old. [...] Surely it's enough age for a character set encoding to be accept

Re: Not stopping daemons, where are we?

2008-07-01 Thread James Westby
On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 14:42 +0200, Bernd Eckenfels wrote: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > > As I understand it, there is nothing magic about the approach taken, it > > just doesn't install the symlinks for rc0.d and rc6.d, and expects that > > the process will be cleaned up. It also r

Re: Please focus on one generic spell checker in Debian (Was: Bug#487732: O: ispell -- International Ispell (an interactive spelling corrector))

2008-07-01 Thread Michael Tautschnig
> Am Dienstag, 1. Juli 2008 12:33:18 schrieb Lars Wirzenius: > > ti, 2008-07-01 kello 12:10 +0200, Thibaut Paumard kirjoitti: > > > Come on, UTF-8 is good. > > > > UTF-8 also 16 years old. That's enough for people to get driver's > > licenses in the US, to have legal sex in many parts of the world,

Re: Not stopping daemons, where are we?

2008-07-01 Thread Bernd Eckenfels
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > As I understand it, there is nothing magic about the approach taken, it > just doesn't install the symlinks for rc0.d and rc6.d, and expects that > the process will be cleaned up. It also reflects this in the LSB > headers, so systems which use that infor

Re: Please focus on one generic spell checker in Debian (Was: Bug#487732: O: ispell -- International Ispell (an interactive spelling corrector))

2008-07-01 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Dienstag, 1. Juli 2008 12:33:18 schrieb Lars Wirzenius: > ti, 2008-07-01 kello 12:10 +0200, Thibaut Paumard kirjoitti: > > Come on, UTF-8 is good. > > UTF-8 also 16 years old. That's enough for people to get driver's > licenses in the US, to have legal sex in many parts of the world, and to > vo

Re: Not stopping daemons, where are we?

2008-07-01 Thread James Westby
On Tue, 2008-07-01 at 13:29 +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mardi 01 juillet 2008 à 11:55 +0100, James Westby a écrit : > > Given that in runlevels 0 and 6 there is an init script that terminates > > all running processes it is a waste to run an init script for each > > process before that. In

Not stopping daemons, where are we?

2008-07-01 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 01 juillet 2008 à 11:55 +0100, James Westby a écrit : > Given that in runlevels 0 and 6 there is an init script that terminates > all running processes it is a waste to run an init script for each > process before that. In Ubuntu we remove the scripts that do nothing > more than terminate

Re: Please focus on one generic spell checker in Debian (Was: Bug#487732: O: ispell -- International Ispell (an interactive spelling corrector))

2008-07-01 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ti, 2008-07-01 kello 12:10 +0200, Thibaut Paumard kirjoitti: > Come on, UTF-8 is good. UTF-8 also 16 years old. That's enough for people to get driver's licenses in the US, to have legal sex in many parts of the world, and to vote in local elections in some parts of the world. Surely it's enough a

Re: Please focus on one generic spell checker in Debian (Was: Bug#487732: O: ispell -- International Ispell (an interactive spelling corrector))

2008-07-01 Thread Thibaut Paumard
Le 30 juin 08 à 20:09, Bernhard R. Link a écrit : * Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [080629 18:15]: Am Mittwoch, 25. Juni 2008 21:53:24 schrieb Agustin Martin: Each spellchecker has currently some special features. Fortunately, the only thing where ispell is stronger than the other spell