Re: [Fwd: False Representation at Google.com]

2003-09-06 Thread Russell Coker
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 13:56, Glenn Maynard wrote: > On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 11:02:09AM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: > > Also the Driscoll is very annoying by using a false email address so it > > can't be replied to. > > As far as I'm concerned, mail that can't be replied to *is* spam. Fair enough. A

Re: [Fwd: False Representation at Google.com]

2003-09-06 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 11:02:09AM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: > It wan't asking for help, it was asking that we change the way we do things > for their minor benefit. > > Thinking that the world revolves around yourself is a serious attitude > problem, and not something that we want to pander t

Re: [Fwd: False Representation at Google.com]

2003-09-06 Thread Glenn Maynard
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 11:02:09AM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: > Also the Driscoll is very annoying by using a false email address so it can't > be replied to. As far as I'm concerned, mail that can't be replied to *is* spam. -- Glenn Maynard

Re: tmda: Challenge-response is fundamentally broken (RAPNAP)

2003-09-06 Thread Andrew Suffield
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 06:02:07PM -0500, david nicol wrote: > Don't hate spammers, figure out a way to bill them. They are in > business, they pay for things, they expect to be billed. Everyone > who has considered sender-pays agrees that it provides a better solution > than legislation. Again

Re: [Fwd: False Representation at Google.com]

2003-09-06 Thread Russell Coker
On Sun, 7 Sep 2003 07:35, Richard Braakman wrote: > On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 02:59:31PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > > Given the tone of Driscoll's messages to us, whom are innocent > > bystanders in this affair, I think your solution is quite unlikely to > > happen. > > Huh? What's wrong with

Re: Howto tell dpkg to not trying to reinstall?

2003-09-06 Thread Brian May
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 12:16:10PM -0700, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote: > It installs everything except the initrd image because > the script cannot find fstab, which there isn't > because Knoppix creates that on the fly. > > The initrd image is not needed, Knoppix has its own. > So everything went well.

Re: File not removed during upgrade - help please

2003-09-06 Thread Artur R. Czechowski
On Sun, Sep 07, 2003 at 01:52:04AM +0200, Artur R. Czechowski wrote: > There is a package vim-latexsuite (0.20030726-2). This package contains I forgot to tell. If you want to check a package, it is available at: http://blabluga.hell.pl/vls/ Regards Artur -- Z próżnego i recover nie odzys

File not removed during upgrade - help please

2003-09-06 Thread Artur R. Czechowski
Hello list, There is a package vim-latexsuite (0.20030726-2). This package contains (among others) file /usr/share/vim/vim61/explorer.vim. This file conflicts with the vim file. I agreed with vim maintainer to divert this file. There is a new upstream version of this software. It does not require a

Re: IMPORTANT: your message to html-tidy

2003-09-06 Thread Joshua Kwan
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 06:40:46PM -0400, W3C List Manager wrote: > This is a response to a message apparently sent from your address to > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: > > Subject: Re: Thank you! > From: > Date:Sat, 6 Sep 2003 18:40:45 --0400 > > Your message has NOT been distributed to

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Re: tmda: Challenge-response is fundamentally broken (RAPNAP)

2003-09-06 Thread david nicol
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 08:32, Russell Coker wrote: > Here's how it works. Spammer creates account [EMAIL PROTECTED] and sends > their first spam to a C-R system, when the challenge comes in they > acknowledge it and from then on the C-R system does not bother them because > they keep using the

IMPORTANT: your message to html-tidy

2003-09-06 Thread W3C List Manager
This is a response to a message apparently sent from your address to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Subject: Re: Thank you! From: Date:Sat, 6 Sep 2003 18:40:45 --0400 Your message has NOT been distributed to the list; before we distribute it, we need your permission to include your messag

Re: why do I need EMail to install some debs?

2003-09-06 Thread Simon Richter
Harald, > Would it be possible to get rid of the need to install EMail (e.g. > exim or sendmail) by default? A lot of packages need at least the /usr/sbin/sendmail program, to be able to send email to the admin, for example cron or at, which send the output of the program they ran. You should ins

why do I need EMail to install some debs?

2003-09-06 Thread Harald Dunkel
Hi folks, Would it be possible to get rid of the need to install EMail (e.g. exim or sendmail) by default? I think it is pretty ugly that the installation from scratch of Sid on my PC got stuck several times, because EMail is not correctly configured. I would prefer to avoid installing a local SMTP

Re: [Fwd: False Representation at Google.com]

2003-09-06 Thread Richard Braakman
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 02:59:31PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > Given the tone of Driscoll's messages to us, whom are innocent > bystanders in this affair, I think your solution is quite unlikely to > happen. Huh? What's wrong with the tone? The first message wasn't to us, it was to the spam

Re: /etc/shells management

2003-09-06 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 20:56:00 +0200, Martin Godisch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > My question is: How does the postinst know whether it is an "initial > install"? How does it know, whether the entry is missing because the > sysadmin took it out, or because it was removed when the package was > remove

Re: Pre-Depends according to sarge_rc_policy.txt

2003-09-06 Thread Thomas Hood
On Sat, 2003-09-06 at 19:33, Colin Watson wrote: > The pre-depended-on > package doesn't have to be configured; it merely has to have been > configured at some point in the past. Thus, pre-depended-on packages > have to be prepared to be functional in the most common case of being > unpacked but no

Re: Pre-Depends according to sarge_rc_policy.txt

2003-09-06 Thread Anthony Towns
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 01:54:02PM +0200, Thomas Hood wrote: > Packages listed in "Pre-Depends:" must be (adequately) functional > when unpacked but not installed. > I can find the basis for the first stanza in the Debian policy manual > but I can find no basis for the second as it is curre

Re: [Fwd: False Representation at Google.com]

2003-09-06 Thread Branden Robinson
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 11:46:47PM +1000, Russell Coker wrote: > On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 18:22, Ava Driscoll wrote: > > I have sent a complaint regarding SPAM abuse to Yahoo regarding the > > originator of the SPAM. Perhaps I am not the only Ava Driscoll in the > > world. However, it is the name of my

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Howto tell dpkg to not trying to reinstall?

2003-09-06 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Hi developers! I asked this question on the user's list but did not get a solution. I install with dpkg a kernel-image on the Knoppix booted CD, chrooted to the Knoppix tree. It installs everything except the initrd image because the script cannot find fstab, which there isn't because Knoppix cr

Re: /etc/shells management

2003-09-06 Thread Karl Ramm
> > "Martin" == Martin Godisch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Martin> and the entry in /etc/shells should be added again, since it was > Martin> there when we begun. How does the postinst know that this is no > Martin> upgrade? Why doesn't add-shell care for this, so the postinst >

Re: /etc/shells management

2003-09-06 Thread Karl Ramm
> [Bastian Blank] > > i think the scripts should follow the update-X naming schema. Because update-foo usually has different semantics, i.e. rebuilding a file (like /etc/modules.conf) from a directory of file. There might be an update-shells that does this someday; if there is, it will probably g

Re: apt-get internals help

2003-09-06 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 03:54:18PM +0100, Steve Kemp wrote: > If they are global defaults, a la Gentoo, perhaps a small shell script > would do the job: > > #!/bin/sh > # > # ~/bin/gcc - Give GCC global flags > # > /usr/bin/gcc `cat /etc/gcc-options.default` "$*" > > Obviously that's j

Re: apt-get internals help

2003-09-06 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 08:28:58PM +0300, George Danchev wrote: > I do not think the variable is the real issue here. If we grab a snippet of > the MPlayer's debian/rules: > ./configure --prefix=/usr --confdir=/etc/mplayer $(DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS) That's a bug. What happens when DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=n

Re: Pre-Depends according to sarge_rc_policy.txt

2003-09-06 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 07:11:13PM +0200, Thomas Hood wrote: > [quotation from sarge_rc_policy.txt:] > > > Packages listed in "Pre-Depends:" must be (adequately) functional > > > when unpacked but not installed. > > [quotation from policy:] > > > When a package declaring a pre-dependen

Re: apt-get internals help

2003-09-06 Thread George Danchev
On Saturday 06 September 2003 19:34, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 11:40:34AM +0300, George Danchev wrote: > > On Saturday 06 September 2003 07:34, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > > You cannot hope to write a script smart enough to modify an arbitrary > > > debian/rules to do what you w

Re: Pre-Depends according to sarge_rc_policy.txt

2003-09-06 Thread Thomas Hood
[quotation from sarge_rc_policy.txt:] > > Packages listed in "Pre-Depends:" must be (adequately) functional > > when unpacked but not installed. [quotation from policy:] > > When a package declaring a pre-dependency is about to be > > _unpacked_ the pre-dependency can be satisfied

Re: SDLcam-0.7.3.tar.gz install problem

2003-09-06 Thread Colin Watson
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 09:35:12AM -0700, eric lin wrote: > Dear SDLcam programmers or users: > > I download SDLcam-0.7.3.tar.gz form sunsite.unc.edu in my redhat 9, Please ask about this on an SDLcam list or a Red Hat list. debian-* lists aren't appropriate. Regards, -- Colin Watson

Re: "non-free" installer packages in our supposedly Free sections.

2003-09-06 Thread Anthony DeRobertis
On Monday, Sep 1, 2003, at 23:44 US/Eastern, Matthew Palmer wrote: Are you going to ask the same thing of non-free, too? (I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm just curious). I think that's reasonable. Certainly I'd like to know the license of a non-free package before installing it.

SDLcam-0.7.3.tar.gz install problem

2003-09-06 Thread eric lin
Dear SDLcam programmers or users: I download SDLcam-0.7.3.tar.gz form sunsite.unc.edu in my redhat 9, [EMAIL PROTECTED] SDLcam-0.7.3]# ./install.sh cp: cannot stat `SDLcam': No such file or directory cp: cannot stat `filter/*.so': No such file or directory cp: cannot stat `capture/*.so

Re: apt-get internals help

2003-09-06 Thread Matt Zimmerman
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 11:40:34AM +0300, George Danchev wrote: > On Saturday 06 September 2003 07:34, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > > You cannot hope to write a script smart enough to modify an arbitrary > > debian/rules to do what you want. What you need to do is to come up with a > > useful standard

Re: Mcrypt maintainer.

2003-09-06 Thread Gustavo Franco
On Fri, 2003-09-05 at 17:53, Andrés Roldán wrote: > Is the mcrypt maintainer MIA? > > The last mcrypt package was released the last year (November) and > there are newer mcrypt and libmcrypt upstream releases. First, report a bug on the package, (with severity 'wishlist') requesting the new pack

Re: apt-get internals help

2003-09-06 Thread Steve Kemp
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 09:50:14AM -0400, Neil Roeth wrote: > I did not realize the full context of what you were trying to do from your > initial question. You're proposing a fundamental change from a process that is > static and noninteractive (so that build daemons will work, package building >

Re: a couple of missing sources for stable

2003-09-06 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 02:39:07PM +0100, Richard Kettlewell wrote: > dists/potato/main/source/games/xdigger_1.0.10-1.diff.gz > > I didn't ask for potato to be mirrored, but it seems that some files > in stable are actually located in potato's directory. This bug will be swept away soonish, whe

Re: many scripts fail if /tmp/tempfile.$$ exists -> local DOS vulnerability

2003-09-06 Thread Richard Kettlewell
Jakob Lell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > many shell scripts use tempfiles like /tmp/tempfile.$$. This creates > insecure tempfile vulnerabilities. One commonly used fix for this problem > is to use set -e or/and set -C in the shell script. This makes the whole > script fail if one command fails or

Re: apt-get internals help

2003-09-06 Thread Neil Roeth
On Sep 5, Matt Chorman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Friday 05 September 2003 06:04 pm, Neil Roeth wrote: > > You need to look in the package itself for the call to configure, not in > > the apt source. Suppose you are attempting to dow

Re: [Fwd: False Representation at Google.com]

2003-09-06 Thread Russell Coker
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 18:22, Ava Driscoll wrote: > I have sent a complaint regarding SPAM abuse to Yahoo regarding the > originator of the SPAM. Perhaps I am not the only Ava Driscoll in the > world. However, it is the name of my web portfolio site and the only > name I ever had. I am against SPAM

a couple of missing sources for stable

2003-09-06 Thread Richard Kettlewell
I use debmirror to maintain a local Debian archive, off ftp.uk.debian.org and www.mirror.ac.uk. I get errors regarding the following files: dists/potato/main/source/games/xdigger_1.0.10-1.diff.gz dists/potato/main/source/games/xdigger_1.0.10-1.dsc dists/potato/main/source/games/xdigger_1.0.

Re: tmda: Challenge-response is fundamentally broken (RAPNAP)

2003-09-06 Thread Russell Coker
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003 06:56, david nicol wrote: > > > Unlike TMDA's distributed profusion of extended addresses, a > > > central RAPNAP (return address, peer network address pair) database > > > only needs to send out a challenge when you change your outgoing > > > SMTP server. In effect, a central s

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Re: alsa-tools

2003-09-06 Thread Robert Epprecht
Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Am 2003-09-06 14:39 +0200 schrieb Robert Epprecht: >> Will alsa-tools be packaged for Debian? >> I would appreciate that *very much*. > > There is currently no "request for packaging" for alsa-tools. If you > would like to see it, then please do file such

Re: Pre-Depends according to sarge_rc_policy.txt

2003-09-06 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sat, 6 Sep 2003, Thomas Hood wrote: > On http://people.debian.org/~ajt/sarge_rc_policy.txt AJT writes: > > Essential packages must be (adequately) functional when unpacked > but not installed. > > Packages listed in "Pre-Depends:" must be (adequately) functional > when unpacked

Pre-Depends according to sarge_rc_policy.txt

2003-09-06 Thread Thomas Hood
On http://people.debian.org/~ajt/sarge_rc_policy.txt AJT writes: Essential packages must be (adequately) functional when unpacked but not installed. Packages listed in "Pre-Depends:" must be (adequately) functional when unpacked but not installed. I can find the basis for the fir

Re: alsa-tools

2003-09-06 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi Robert! Am 2003-09-06 14:39 +0200 schrieb Robert Epprecht: > Will alsa-tools be packaged for Debian? > I would appreciate that *very much*. There is currently no "request for packaging" for alsa-tools. If you would like to see it, then please do file such a bug for it. Please see http://bugs.d

Re: [Fwd: False Representation at Google.com]

2003-09-06 Thread Josip Rodin
On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 02:46:57PM -0700, Ava Driscoll wrote: > I do not appreciate the following showing up: > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200306/msg01662.html > > Please cease and desist using my name. Thank you. It's not us, it's some random spammer whose spam happ

Re: [Fwd: False Representation at Google.com]

2003-09-06 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 12:38:48AM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > > However, pulling that message from the list archives may be a good idea. > > It's what Ava Driscoll asked for, and the big HTML links sure don't look > > good on the Debian pages. > > Debian is not in the habit of editing its histo

alsa-tools

2003-09-06 Thread Robert Epprecht
Will alsa-tools be packaged for Debian? I would appreciate that *very much*. (I'm fighting with the installation of a RME DSC pci card and multiface, and could not compile hdspmixer yet... hdsploader behaves strange too). Robert Epprecht

Re: can't update pbuilder to unstable

2003-09-06 Thread Roland Stigge
Hi, Brian May wrote: > Is there anything I can do to update this pbuilder chroot? That was #208602, solved in pbuilder 0.86, for the case that something like /etc/pam.d/other appears again. bye, Roland signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part

Re: apt-get internals help

2003-09-06 Thread George Danchev
On Saturday 06 September 2003 07:34, Matt Zimmerman wrote: > On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 07:07:03PM -0700, Matt Chorman wrote: > > I've taken a look at the files and I understand the source configuration > > process better. What I think this adds up to is, basically, is that my > > script is going to h

Re: Re: [Fwd: False Representation at Google.com]

2003-09-06 Thread Ava Driscoll
I have sent a complaint regarding SPAM abuse to Yahoo regarding the originator of the SPAM. Perhaps I am not the only Ava Driscoll in the world. However, it is the name of my web portfolio site and the only name I ever had. I am against SPAM and it hurts to have it associated with my name in

Re: [Fwd: False Representation at Google.com]

2003-09-06 Thread Mark Brown
On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 12:38:48AM -0400, Glenn Maynard wrote: > Debian is not in the habit of editing its history (mailing list > archives). Don't start down that slope. Spam is routinely removed from the BTS. -- "You grabbed my hand and we fell into it, like a daydream - or a fever."

Re: [Fwd: False Representation at Google.com]

2003-09-06 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Sat, 06 Sep 2003 01:26:00 -0400, Daniel Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 01:34:32AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: >>> However, pulling that message from the list archives may be a good >>> idea. It's what Ava Driscoll asked

Re: [Fwd: False Representation at Google.com]

2003-09-06 Thread Mathieu Roy
Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a tapoté : > On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 01:34:32AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > However, pulling that message from the list archives may be a good idea. > > It's what Ava Driscoll asked for, and the big HTML links sure don't look > > good on the Debian pages. > >

Re: can't update pbuilder to unstable

2003-09-06 Thread Daniel Martin
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It is probably worth noting that I never modified the > file in question: /etc/pam.d/other > > Is there anything I can do to update this pbuilder chroot? For what it's worth, I wound up rebuilding my sid pbuilder chroot from scratch. (with pbuilder create)

can't update pbuilder to unstable

2003-09-06 Thread Brian May
It is probably worth noting that I never modified the file in question: /etc/pam.d/other Is there anything I can do to update this pbuilder chroot? pbuilder update --override-config --configfile /tmp/pbuilder-local.mxWtA0 W: /root/.pbuilderrc does not exist Upgrading for distribution unstable

Re: [Fwd: False Representation at Google.com]

2003-09-06 Thread Daniel Martin
Glenn Maynard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Sep 06, 2003 at 01:34:32AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: >> However, pulling that message from the list archives may be a good idea. >> It's what Ava Driscoll asked for, and the big HTML links sure don't look >> good on the Debian pages. > > Debian