On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:14:24 Ben Armstrong wrote:
> For the most part, I think there is enough flexibility within Debian to
> pick and choose the smallest tools that will do the job from among the
> binary packages. Where Debian currently falls short, we can create -tiny
> versions of packages as
>>"John" == John Goerzen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
John> Actually, this is incorrect. On platforms predating
John> FHS/FSSTND, /sbin was for statically-linked binaries --
John> versions of vital system tools (fsck, sh, etc) linked
John> statically for repair in an emergency. You may recall
[Tom Lees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> however, this does still leave a big problem: how to handle the
> upgrade from 0.8i to 0.8final. If you are currently using LVM 0.8i,
> then upgrade to 0.8final, LVM will stop working unless you also
> recompile your kernel.
Aye, there's the rub. It's a design pr
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 10:44:37AM +0200, Remco van de Meent wrote:
> Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> > Sounds good. Can you bug upstream to include support for other
> > authentication methods eg SecureID? I'm stuck with a Windows IPsec
> > client until SecureID is supported. KAME (on BSD) doesn't appear
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It is much more likely that a normal user will be generating ISO
images than ext2 loopback filesystems.
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From: "Peter S Galbraith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: mkfs in /sb
So Joey and Manoj are having a `friendly' discussing about the best way to
implement an installer package for realplayer, I wondered how the other
distributions do it.
Now I have not bothered to look because I am to lazy, but my best guess is
that RedHat includes a copy of the Realplayer code. The
> I'd just like to bring up the only point which really worries me about
> all this... what is the incentive for people to run their machines on
> 'unstable'?
I don't know - how many people are running glibc 2.1.92 now? How about X
4.0? GNAT 3.13? I'm running two out the three, because I'm too im
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 02:05:58PM -0500, Bryan Andersen wrote:
> When a user or administrator is using it it is because of unusual
> conditions.
Why so? I use it in perfectly usual and common conditions.
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Hi,
I am waiting for my debian maintainer application to take place.
In the mean time, I want to provide my work to the masses
Here is the apt line to add if you want corelinux (OOA and OOD library for
Linux)
These packages were compiled using WOODY
deb http://augustine.mit.edu/~prudhomm/debian
Woah. Calm down, everyone!
On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 04:28:03PM -0400, Ben Collins wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 03:06:55PM -0500, Ean R . Schuessler wrote:
> > Well Ben, there are two reasons that I ignored the NMUs.
> >
> > The first reason is that Kaffe revisions have been so long in coming
I refuse to continue this discussion on devel. Move it to -java where it
belongs.
On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 04:28:03PM -0400, Ben Collins wrote:
> Good job Ean. You've done an excellent job of maintaining a quality
> package.
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On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 03:06:55PM -0500, Ean R . Schuessler wrote:
> Well Ben, there are two reasons that I ignored the NMUs.
>
> The first reason is that Kaffe revisions have been so long in coming that
> the 1.0.6 source base bears little to no resembelence to the 1.0.5
> source. Maintaining th
Well Ben, there are two reasons that I ignored the NMUs.
The first reason is that Kaffe revisions have been so long in coming that
the 1.0.6 source base bears little to no resembelence to the 1.0.5
source. Maintaining the patches that were done against 1.0.5 would be
difficult at best and I was mo
>> Anthony Towns writes:
> Another reason to run unstable is to live on the actual bleeding edge:
> testing will always be around two weeks out of date. That can be a fair
> while, if you're impatient.
At best. Please remember there are some maintainers that will have to
be forced to take
> > But I also believe that Adam's orphaned netscape, and no one seems to
> > have cared enough to do an NMU or take it over.
>
> In that case I suggest Netscape be removed from the archive.
Actually, I'm debating taking it over, pending my re-activation (lost my
old key - having to go through th
On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 10:34:35AM +0100, Jules Bean wrote:
I'd just like to bring up the only point which really worries me about
all this... what is the incentive for people to run their machines on
'unstable'?
In my case curiosity to test new stuff without having to deal with
the other side(r
On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Edward Betts wrote:
> Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I'd just like to bring up the only point which really worries me about
> > all this... what is the incentive for people to run their machines on
> > 'unstable'?
>
> I for one like the bleeding-edge. I like stuff
I hav enoticed this as well, but what I've noticed too is that it
appears to occur randomly. There is no obvious condition that decides
when it will occur. If it happens, usually I just ssh back to the
same machine and get right in. Rather puzzling.
Turbo Fredriksson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 05:05:46AM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
> Untested. (Come to think of it, instead of LD_PRELOAD you should use
> rpath, which is considered harmful but I think is justified here.)
> Yes, package size doubles, but you must not be worried about size since
> you currently st
On 18-Aug-00, 06:26 (CDT), Anthony Towns wrote:
> Supporting this, there's some Apt changes in CVS that'll let people choose
> a few packages from one distribution and leave the rest from another.
To whoever implemented this feature: ThankyouThankyouThankyou -- it's
something I've wanted to do f
On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 12:44:37PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> Anyway, I think the current situation is largely fine, although I am
> still dismayed by the lack of statically-linked binaries in /sbin.
I suppose that's OK too, as long as the binaries are only linked with libs in
/lib, which should
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Manoj> The /bin vs /sbin distinction is purely about avoiding
> Manoj> inconvenience and/or confusion for the normal user. The sole
Actually, this is incorrect. On platforms predating FHS/FSSTND, /sbin
was for statically-linked binaries -- vers
As many already know, I've been building mozilla debs and placing them
on master for general consumption. I have been informed by the previous
maintainer that he would like to get rid of it.
I am hereby placing an official adoption on mozilla by his request.
I will have a new mozilla package uplo
Linux Facile is an italian manual for newbies, available on .ps and .html
version.
License: FDL (www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html)
URL: www.linuxfacile.org
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On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 09:21:58PM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> since mozilla is quite stable now, (i used it extensively now, indeed
> it's my only browser using, and i can use all the habits when i'm using
> IE with mozilla, like open 10 to 20 broswer windows for some lota javascript
> popup
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 01:30:29PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> I intend to package up the gopher suite from UMN, together with my
> patches to it.
>
> Note: they have informed me it will be GPL'd shortly.
And so the madness begins...
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(Ean, you are Cc'd just in case you aren't sub'd to -devel, please feel
free to denote otherwise to avoid duplicates)
Over the course of potato release, there were several NMU's done on the
kaffe package to fix some RC bugs. I've listed them here for clarity and
reference:
59420: kaffe_1:1.0.5e-0
On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 09:54:20AM -0500, Joseph Carter wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 10:27:45AM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote:
> > No, you have AH to access the high 16 bits of EAX, and AL for the low
> > 16 bits of EAX. Or was that the high 8 bits of AX etc...
>
> Here's the layout of the EAX re
since mozilla is quite stable now, (i used it extensively now, indeed
it's my only browser using, and i can use all the habits when i'm using
IE with mozilla, like open 10 to 20 broswer windows for some lota javascript
popup sites, and big pics (don't get me wrong! ;)
so is it possible to enable s
Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 08:58:31PM +0100, Edward Betts wrote:
> First, including each architecture and source in every .deb suddenly
> balloons our 3 CD set to get i386 binaries to a ~15 CD set. It also
> kills non-broadband net upgrades (you *really* want to download six
>
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 10:27:45AM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote:
> No, you have AH to access the high 16 bits of EAX, and AL for the low
> 16 bits of EAX. Or was that the high 8 bits of AX etc...
Here's the layout of the EAX register...
| EAX |
| | AX
Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd just like to bring up the only point which really worries me about
> all this... what is the incentive for people to run their machines on
> 'unstable'?
I for one like the bleeding-edge. I like stuff that breaks, because I get to
fix it. I like filing bu
Anthony Towns wrote:
> First, including each architecture and source in every .deb suddenly
> balloons our 3 CD set to get i386 binaries to a ~15 CD set. It also
> kills non-broadband net upgrades (you *really* want to download six
> copies of emacs plus all its source?). I'm not sure how you'd bu
Decklin Foster writes ("Bug#33993: general: Should log all the boot messages"):
>Cesar Eduardo Barros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Package: general
>> Version: N/A
>> Severity: wishlist
>>
>> There are too many boot messages, and they sometimes scroll too
>> fast. It would be nice to log all t
On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 09:26:34PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
>
> Another reason to run unstable is to live on the actual bleeding edge:
> testing will always be around two weeks out of date. That can be a fair
> while, if you're impatient.
>
> Supporting this, there's some Apt changes in CVS th
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 07:43:48PM +0200, J.A. Bezemer wrote:
> Oh please!! Unlike some people like you to believe, there exist no revisions
> other than CD revisions. There are no FTP revisions. FTP changes _much_ more
> than the CDs due to many security fixes.
Huh?
Security fixes go in security
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 01:55:59AM -0300, Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote:
> The MosML could add to the license: "As an exception to the GNU GPL, you
> may distribute this software linked to CAML".
Yep, that should work. Did not think about that.
cu
Torsten
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On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 10:34:35AM +0100, Jules Bean wrote:
> I'd just like to bring up the only point which really worries me about
> all this... what is the incentive for people to run their machines on
> 'unstable'?
>
> Because a package lying for 3 weeks in unstable says nothing about it
> bein
>>"Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Joey> Manoj, you have now several times used loaded words in this discussion:
Joey> "hectoring", "threatening".
Should I have said ``promising'' bug reports?
Joey> Stating that one will file a bug if a feature one depends on,
Joey> f
> "Nils" == Nils Jeppe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Nils> Hello,
Nils> I have a potato box which serves as a Mail server. When I
Nils> try to login via ssh, I get this:
Nils> bash-2.04$ slogin -l root mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: Last
Nils> login: Thu Aug 17 18:51:25
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 10:17:30PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> Automated Process?
> ~~
> So pretty much all the policy is encoded in some "automated process"
> which updates testing. It works at the moment, basically as follows:
>
> 1. First, it loads up all the Sources and
On Fri 18 Aug 2000, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 10:20:48AM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote:
> > On Thu 17 Aug 2000, Colin Watson wrote:
> > >
> > > (I usually recommend Ctrl-S (stop output) and Ctrl-Q (restart output).)
> >
> > Or shift-PageUp
>
> Of course, if you run a display
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 04:10:53PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> It's almost impossible to remember all the little things that might go
> wrong as well, so encapsulating that knowledge in a regression test
> suit is definitely the way to go.
In which vein, it might be helpful to have test machines
On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 10:20:48AM +0200, Paul Slootman wrote:
> On Thu 17 Aug 2000, Colin Watson wrote:
> >
> > dmesg doesn't log the output from init.d scripts.
> >
> > (I usually recommend Ctrl-S (stop output) and Ctrl-Q (restart output).)
>
> Or shift-PageUp
Of course, if you run a display
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 02:26:33PM +0100, Chris Ball wrote:
> Hi, to all, and congrats on the potato release.
>
> I've been browsing cdimage. Do we release a base system as a 30/40-ish meg
> ISO that can network to enable apt handling retrieval of anything else? One
> would be really useful to me,
On Fri, Aug 18, 2000 at 01:40:52AM -0700, Joey Hess wrote:
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > Sorry. The whole idea of my realplayer package is to be a
> > lower hassle package; it won't periodically bother you. Since you are
> > threatening the next maintainer with bug reports unless they follow
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Joey> If, however, you make it difficult to ensure that a machine tracking
> Joey> stable is not running the current version of realplayer, expect me to
> Joey> send you bug reports.
>
> I see. Well, I guess, given this, I am not going to take over
> your packag
On Thu 17 Aug 2000, Colin Watson wrote:
>
> dmesg doesn't log the output from init.d scripts.
>
> (I usually recommend Ctrl-S (stop output) and Ctrl-Q (restart output).)
Or shift-PageUp
However, sometimes I have wished that the init.d messages were in fact
logged somewhere. E.g. after a day you
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 05:24:02PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
> I'll post such when the change takes place, which should occur in a
> matter of a few days.
Ops, I wrote "actual" following the intuitive italian meaning. I wanted to
mean the original license. :)
bye
christian
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Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> It's beautiful. I want it now. :-)
I couldn't agree more.
We could always fine tune it when we know how it works with live
data. But I think you'right. Some way of chrash-install into testing
would be nice when dealing with root-exploits.
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Peter
On Fri, 18 Aug 2000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> It's not *entirely* clear that including the above in the .deb itself
> is even the best way of doing things though. Everything in the above
> is entirely package-independent except for the "doc" lines, and they
> can be determined simply by saying "ever
Hello,
I have a potato box which serves as a Mail server. When I try to login via
ssh, I get this:
bash-2.04$ slogin -l root mail
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password:
Last login: Thu Aug 17 18:51:25 2000 from wishbringer.work.de on pts/0
Linux mail 2.2.16 #4 Fri Jun 16 19:42:13 CEST 2000 i686 unknown
>>"Joey" == Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Joey> Well I for one find being able to make sure I am upgraded to the current
Joey> version is very useful, especially given the historical buginess of
Joey> realplayer.
Good point. If a location for the free download can be easily
de
I'm not certain that trying to cram OS config into a kernel config tool is
the right idea, but I do agree that the concept is effective.
What about a more generalized framework for this sort of thing to build a
disk image for a highly customized embedded Debian system? Take a
subdirectory and put
>>"Branden" == Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Branden> Could you remind me what these benefits are again? Pretend
Branden> for a moment that the FHS doesn't exist and it's entirely up
Branden> to us. What exactly DO we gain by having some binaries
Branden> segregated off into s
Since most dailup user won't install DNS servers, these
utilities are very useful for people using NAT.
Please consider package these.
dnsmasq
http://www.thekelleys.freeserve.co.uk/dnsmasq/doc.html
==
Dnsmasq is small utility designed to provide DNS (domain name) services
to a small network connec
On Tue, Aug 15, 2000 at 12:28:12AM -0600, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> Well, this is what I was trying to say before - logically it makes alot of
> sense if packages are members of groups, this is the reverse of what we
> have now - a list of packages in a group.
>
> Delivery and storage of this data
On Thu, Aug 17, 2000 at 01:06:26PM -0700, tony mancill wrote:
> I disagree. You *NEED* to have a copy of mke2fs in the root filesystem
> in case /usr or any other mounted filesystem gets whacked. OTOH, you
> probably won't be mastering any CD images while your system is crippled,
> so having mkis
On Wed, Aug 16, 2000 at 10:25:28AM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> > > Why would a package be in contrib if it didn't depend on non-free? I
> > > thought that that was the current definition of contrib: DFSG-free, but
> > > requires something from outside of main (e.g., contrib or non-free).
> >
Joey Hess wrote:
> If, however, you make it difficult to ensure that a machine tracking
> stable is not running the current version of realplayer, expect me to
Er, make that "unstable".
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Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Right. I just do nt see these invariants being very useful. I
> would much rather have a mk-realplayer package that helps me create a
> realplayer-blah.deb; and the invariants are then natural and not
> artificially imposed. When that realplayer.deb is installed,
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