Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-17 Thread Julien Cristau
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 21:25:25 +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > retitle 524235 The question about AltGr is confusing as 'AltGr' can denote a > physical key on the keyboard and software behaviour of a key. > thank you > > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 07:41:16PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > On Fri, Ma

Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-15 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting Kurt Roeckx (k...@roeckx.be): > The US international on windows uses dead keys, which is something > I wouldn't want. But such option is probably useful for some > people. I would very strongly advise against diverging from what's done in other OS. The most common keyboard layouts are n

Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-15 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 15 May 2009, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > When I tested it, selecting "No AltGr key", my right alt key > reacts the same as the left alt key. That sounds correct. > So what do you think the "No AltGr key" should do?  The right alt key > shouldn't do anything? That seems obvious to me: "no alt-

Re: Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-15 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On Fri, 15 May 2009 12:34:36 +0200 Frans Pop wrote: > > I'd say high. But OTOH, my locale is en_US and I'd still like the > question asked. Given the above usage, I'd really like to see the > question asked of all users. As a Canadian user who has a US keyboard because that is what most English

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2009-05-15 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
Processing commands for cont...@bugs.debian.org: > retitle 524235 The question about AltGr is confusing as 'AltGr' can denote a > physical key on the keyboard and software behaviour of a key. Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard. Chan

Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-15 Thread Anton Zinoviev
retitle 524235 The question about AltGr is confusing as 'AltGr' can denote a physical key on the keyboard and software behaviour of a key. thank you On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 07:41:16PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 07:39:49PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > > > I think any way

Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-15 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 01:03:53PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:32:13AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > > > > > Now I see -- most traditional keyboard layouts are defining the right > > > Alt as AltGr (including the default one). In the past console-setup did > > > th

Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-15 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 07:39:49PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > I asked my question incorrectly. I meant all these were working if in > > the configuration of console-setup you selected the right Alt to > > function as AltGr. This means the question 'Which key must be AltGr' > > means 'Which

Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-15 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 01:23:47AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > > > > > Now I see -- most traditional keyboard layouts are defining the right > > > Alt as AltGr (including the default one). In the past console-setup > > > did the same but there were some complaints from American users who > > > did

Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-15 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 15 May 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > My personal opinion is the same as yours and not only for us but for > all layouts. However it seems one of the goal of d-i is to make the > questions as few as possible. I will implement in console-setup > whatever is decided here. That is correct,

Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-15 Thread Anton Zinoviev
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 01:46:42PM +0200, Adeodato Simó wrote: > > Meh, I just read Anton's reply to Frans, and I realized I read Frans' > message a bit too quickly. He uses AltGr as Compose, but I actually type > AltGr+e to get é!! Because of the "altgr-intl" variant, of course. It be > really gr

Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-15 Thread Adeodato Simó
+ Adeodato Simó (Fri, 15 May 2009 13:44:52 +0200): > + Frans Pop (Fri, 15 May 2009 12:34:36 +0200): > > On Friday 15 May 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > > > AltGr is useless with the basic US layout because it doesn't define > > > third level where the accented letters are situated. > > But AFAIK

Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-15 Thread Adeodato Simó
+ Frans Pop (Fri, 15 May 2009 12:34:36 +0200): > On Friday 15 May 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > > AltGr is useless with the basic US layout because it doesn't define > > third level where the accented letters are situated. > But AFAIK it can still be used for combining characters! > Example: +' e

Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-15 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 15 May 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:34:36PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > But AFAIK it can still be used for combining characters! > > Example: +' e -> ? > > Maybe your right Alt works as Compose, not as AltGr? Yes, correct. Sorry if I'm confusing terminology he

Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-15 Thread Anton Zinoviev
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:34:36PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > But AFAIK it can still be used for combining characters! > Example: +' e -> й Maybe your right Alt works as Compose, not as AltGr? Anton Zinoviev -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-boot-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject o

Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-15 Thread Anton Zinoviev
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:34:36PM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > But AFAIK it can still be used for combining characters! > Example: +' e -> й > > I'd call that far from useless. And that's how I personally prefer to > create accented characters. Dutch does not use them enough that having > them

Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-15 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 15 May 2009, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 01:23:47AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > Note that the US keyboard layout is fairly common in a lot of other > > countries than the US itself. It is for example THE most common > > keyboard layout in the Netherlands and Dutch user

Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-15 Thread Anton Zinoviev
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 12:32:13AM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > > > Now I see -- most traditional keyboard layouts are defining the right > > Alt as AltGr (including the default one). In the past console-setup did > > the same but there were some complaints from American users who did not > >

Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-15 Thread Anton Zinoviev
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 01:23:47AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote: > > Note that the US keyboard layout is fairly common in a lot of other > countries than the US itself. It is for example THE most common keyboard > layout in the Netherlands and Dutch users very much _do_ expect to have > an alt-gr key

Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-14 Thread Frans Pop
On Friday 15 May 2009, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 10:26:14PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > > On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 08:12:08PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > > And it shouldn't make both keys work the same. They never have > > > worked the same for me. One is a Left Alt, the ot

Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-14 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 10:26:14PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 08:12:08PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > > > And it shouldn't make both keys work the same. They never have > > worked the same for me. One is a Left Alt, the other a Right Alt. > > > > > > It seems I need

Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-04 Thread Anton Zinoviev
On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 08:12:08PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > And it shouldn't make both keys work the same. They never have > worked the same for me. One is a Left Alt, the other a Right Alt. > > > > It seems I need to select the "Right Alt" option to make my > > > keyboard work like it used

Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-04 Thread Kurt Roeckx
On Mon, May 04, 2009 at 08:12:51PM +0300, Anton Zinoviev wrote: > On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 07:30:01PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > > > When installing console-setup, it asks for various keyboard > > settings. I've selected pc104 - usa - usa. > > > > Then it asks for an "AltGr key replacement".

Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-05-04 Thread Anton Zinoviev
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 07:30:01PM +0200, Kurt Roeckx wrote: > > When installing console-setup, it asks for various keyboard > settings. I've selected pc104 - usa - usa. > > Then it asks for an "AltGr key replacement". A standard US > keyboard does not have an AltGr key, and I guess this is > w

Bug#524235: Default alt-gr key replacement should be right alt for usa keyboard.

2009-04-15 Thread Kurt Roeckx
Package: console-setup Version: 1.32 Hi, When installing console-setup, it asks for various keyboard settings. I've selected pc104 - usa - usa. Then it asks for an "AltGr key replacement". A standard US keyboard does not have an AltGr key, and I guess this is why it's asking this question? Th