On 17-May-01, Alan Buxey wrote:
AB> How much fits onto one 880K formatted disk, i cant recall,
AB> its been so longis it 856k?
I think it depends which filesystem you use, and whether you have many small
files verses few big ones. For a disk mostly filled with one large file
(like a kernel
Alan Buxey wrote:
> > I already considered all this and am now at 848 K. How much space exactly
> > do we have?
>
> well, if we need the following
>
> s:startup-sequence - a few bytes...
> libs:ppc.library (for powerup - not needed for A1200, but for a3k/a4k
> a1200 has t
hi,
> We could make one floppy with just the kernel on it and another one which
> boots, copies everything to RAM: and... you get the idea.
yes, that may have to be the way
disk1:bootstrap -k disk2:vmlinux.gztype-stuff
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On Thu, 17 May 2001, Alan Buxey wrote:
> > I don't think this is feasible as some people won't have anything connected
> > to their AGA output. Right now all the Amiga framebuffer devices are in.
>
> agreed - a lot of people either dont have a monitor that can 'do' the AGA
> modes (even the 29.x
hi,
> BTW if we could use bzip2, we'd be all set already:
this is a weakness of 'bootstrap', yes?
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hi,
> You mean our test ramdisk.image.gz ? I asked eons ago if we should convert it
> to ext2, if it's still Minix we should do that now. We could use it as a
> rescue or other fancy stuff with a current glibc etc.
yep, dropping minix will cleave a small lump off the kernel.
> I already cons
hi,
> I don't think this is feasible as some people won't have anything connected
> to their AGA output. Right now all the Amiga framebuffer devices are in.
agreed - a lot of people either dont have a monitor that can 'do' the AGA
modes (even the 29.xHz VGA thing) , others dont have scan-double
On Thu, 17 May 2001, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 May 2001, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> > > I already considered all this and am now at 848 K. How much space exactly
> > > do we have?
> >
> > IIRC you have 837 kB free on an OFS-formatted floppy. Since we all use FFS
Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
>
> On Thu, 17 May 2001, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> > I already considered all this and am now at 848 K. How much space exactly
> > do we have?
>
> IIRC you have 837 kB free on an OFS-formatted floppy. Since we all use FFS
> these days it (at least the kernel) should fit. A
On Thu, 17 May 2001, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> I already considered all this and am now at 848 K. How much space exactly do
> we have?
IIRC you have 837 kB free on an OFS-formatted floppy. Since we all use FFS
these days it (at least the kernel) should fit. And don't use DC-FFS since it
will waste^
Sven LUTHER wrote:
> But, we definitively need 2 batches of kernels, since i suppose some guys
> would want the networking stuff also. They can use the non floppy version
> though.
Can't they use the modules? I'd really like to have a single .config,
otherwise maintenance is a nightmare.
>
Alan Buxey wrote:
>>>Do we need Minix fs support yet?
>>>
>>Not for installation.
>
> the ramdisk image no longer uses MiniFS? if so minifs could be dropped
> ages ago.
You mean our test ramdisk.image.gz ? I asked eons ago if we should convert it
to ext2, if it's still Minix we should do th
On Thu, 17 May 2001, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 12:09:02PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > The only problem is that people might not have enough memory for both RAM: and
> > kernel/ramdisk.
>
> huh, how much is this ? i guess most apus users have at least 8MB by now, is
> t
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 07:01:33PM +0200, Giorgio Terzi wrote:
> Hello Sven
>
> ...
> > what program are you using on the floppy disk ? I suppose that if it is the
> > same as the one you use normally, it would be dependent on warp-up. But i
> > guess warp-up is not in rom, so did you put it on t
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 12:09:02PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Wed, 16 May 2001, Alan Buxey wrote:
> > > Well, we could split the kernel in 2 and join it in ram: before launching it.
> > > Or we could try for a less than 880Ko modular kernel, but i have not big hopes
> > > on this one. M
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 11:04:51AM +0100, Alan Buxey wrote:
> hi,
>
> > Well, we could split the kernel in 2 and join it in ram: before launching it.
> > Or we could try for a less than 880Ko modular kernel, but i have not big hopes
> > on this one. Michel Daenzer is the apus kernel package maint
hi,
> Yep, you can remove OCS/ECS support, but it'll save only a few bytes, I guess.
dont A3k PowerUP owners have to have ECS - if they dont have GFX card?
(are there any such people?)
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On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 09:28:01PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Wed, 16 May 2001, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> > Sven LUTHER wrote:
> > > > I am trying to understand why...
> > > > For an 880k floppy the space problem makes impossible to do it.
> > > > But i wish to be contraddicted... :))
> >
On Wed, May 16, 2001 at 07:58:06PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> Sven LUTHER wrote:
>
> > > I am trying to understand why...
> > > For an 880k floppy the space problem makes impossible to do it.
> > > But i wish to be contraddicted... :))
> >
> > Well, we could split the kernel in 2 and join it
On Thu, 17 May 2001, Alan Buxey wrote:
> > > Do we need Minix fs support yet?
> >
> > Not for installation.
>
> the ramdisk image no longer uses MiniFS? if so minifs could be dropped
> ages ago.
Hmm... I don't know. Someone should check this.
> I guess we also dont need OCS gfx support...as Po
hi,
> > Do we need Minix fs support yet?
>
> Not for installation.
the ramdisk image no longer uses MiniFS? if so minifs could be dropped
ages ago.
I guess we also dont need OCS gfx support...as PowerPC cards only work on
ECS and AGA systems.
On this line of thought...sound isnt essential, n
On Thu, 17 May 2001, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > You don't need fbcon-cfb24 and fbcon-cf32 since no one wants to run an
> > install console in those depths anyway. I don't think you need it for
> > half-supported gfx cards with amiboot -v, only depth 16.
>
> Will this pre
Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> You don't need fbcon-cfb24 and fbcon-cf32 since no one wants to run an
> install console in those depths anyway. I don't think you need it for
> half-supported gfx cards with amiboot -v, only depth 16.
Will this prevent X from running in those depths?
Thanks for you
On Wed, 16 May 2001, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> Sven LUTHER wrote:
> > > I am trying to understand why...
> > > For an 880k floppy the space problem makes impossible to do it.
> > > But i wish to be contraddicted... :))
> >
> > Well, we could split the kernel in 2 and join it in ram: before launching
Sven LUTHER wrote:
> > I am trying to understand why...
> > For an 880k floppy the space problem makes impossible to do it.
> > But i wish to be contraddicted... :))
>
> Well, we could split the kernel in 2 and join it in ram: before launching
> it. Or we could try for a less than 880Ko modular
On 16-May-01, Giorgio Terzi wrote:
>> Well, we could split the kernel in 2 and join it in ram: before
>> launching it. Or we could try for a less than 880Ko modular kernel, but
>> i have not big hopes on this one. Michel Daenzer is the apus kernel
>> package maintainer for debian.
GT> As rightly
Hello Sven
...
> what program are you using on the floppy disk ? I suppose that if it is the
> same as the one you use normally, it would be dependent on warp-up. But i
> guess warp-up is not in rom, so did you put it on the floppy also ?
I am trying to use our classic kernel loader " `bootstrap
On Wed, 16 May 2001, Alan Buxey wrote:
> > Well, we could split the kernel in 2 and join it in ram: before launching it.
> > Or we could try for a less than 880Ko modular kernel, but i have not big hopes
> > on this one. Michel Daenzer is the apus kernel package maintainer for debian.
>
> a small
hi,
> Well, we could split the kernel in 2 and join it in ram: before launching it.
> Or we could try for a less than 880Ko modular kernel, but i have not big hopes
> on this one. Michel Daenzer is the apus kernel package maintainer for debian.
a small, but brief note:
IS there not a very very
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 06:36:58PM +, Duncan Gibb wrote:
> On 15-May-01, Alan Buxey wrote:
>
> AB> certainly boot-programs (such as the APUS/AF-booter (by Mr Duncan )
> AB> need MUI libraries, but the plain boothack/bootstrap for APUS just
> AB> needs powerpc.library, which is in ROM
>
> Eve
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 07:18:52PM +0200, Giorgio Terzi wrote:
> Hello Christian, hello all,
>
> ...
> > Floppys on m68k are completely useless AFAIK. Since Amigalilo is not
> > supported by Debian, who needs floppies anyways when everything comes on CD?
>
> I have "loaded" from floppies the
On 15-May-01, Alan Buxey wrote:
AB> certainly boot-programs (such as the APUS/AF-booter (by Mr Duncan )
AB> need MUI libraries, but the plain boothack/bootstrap for APUS just
AB> needs powerpc.library, which is in ROM
Evening, Dr Buxley. That MUI-GUI is aeons out of date now, and really wants
r
Hello Christian, hello all,
...
> Floppys on m68k are completely useless AFAIK. Since Amigalilo is not
> supported by Debian, who needs floppies anyways when everything comes on CD?
I have "loaded" from floppies the images i have put on them only
for the sake of test!
I have not bootstrappe
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 04:19:14PM +0100, Alan Buxey wrote:
> hi,
>
> > mmm, they are not really difficult to do, i remember writting my own split
> > programs, because non where availabel back then.
>
> /me thinks there are several free clones of join/split on aminet
It's trivial to write, ju
hi,
> mmm, they are not really difficult to do, i remember writting my own split
> programs, because non where availabel back then.
/me thinks there are several free clones of join/split on aminet
> (altough not test them). The only real problem is the choice program, but if
> you only want t
hi,
> But the bootblock is code. Of course we can reverse engineer and clean room
> reimplement one (IIRC it justs opens dos.library and returns 1 or 0).
over 10,000 coders have made their own bootblocks for Amiga
floppies...either commercial games or demo disks.
some even got sine-scrolling m
hi,
> > no, and yes. Under AmigaOS you run 'install df0:' but this doesnt
> > put any files onto the disk as such, it just writes a bootblock
> > (a few hundred bytes) to the floppy. Theres no reason why we couldnt have
> > an AmigaOS bootblock and write it to disk with 'dd'
>
> but you do get
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 04:50:29PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2001, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> > On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 03:17:52PM +0100, Alan Buxey wrote:
> > > > And did you have the same amount of stuff in it ?
> > >
> > > these are the standard downloadables from APUS@sourc
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 04:49:26PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2001, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> > On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 03:15:14PM +0100, Alan Buxey wrote:
> > > > Don't you need some part of AmigaOS to make a floppy bootable?
> > >
> > > no, and yes. Under AmigaOS you run 'ins
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 09:44:26AM -0500, Christian T. Steigies wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 04:23:38PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> > >
> > > not that i can think of. certainly boot-programs (such as the
> > > APUS/AF-booter (by Mr Duncan ) need MUI libraries, but the plain
> > > boothack/bo
On Tue, 15 May 2001, Christian T. Steigies wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 04:23:38PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> > > not that i can think of. certainly boot-programs (such as the
> > > APUS/AF-booter (by Mr Duncan ) need MUI libraries, but the plain
> > > boothack/bootstrap for APUS just needs
On Tue, 15 May 2001, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 03:17:52PM +0100, Alan Buxey wrote:
> > > And did you have the same amount of stuff in it ?
> >
> > these are the standard downloadables from APUS@sourceforge
> >
> > they have pretty much the same functionality. I guess
> > ther
On Tue, 15 May 2001, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 03:15:14PM +0100, Alan Buxey wrote:
> > > Don't you need some part of AmigaOS to make a floppy bootable?
> >
> > no, and yes. Under AmigaOS you run 'install df0:' but this doesnt
> > put any files onto the disk as such, it just wr
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 04:23:38PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> >
> > not that i can think of. certainly boot-programs (such as the
> > APUS/AF-booter (by Mr Duncan ) need MUI libraries, but the plain
> > boothack/bootstrap for APUS just needs powerpc.library, which is in ROM
I don't use APUS, pl
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 03:17:52PM +0100, Alan Buxey wrote:
> hi,
>
> > And did you have the same amount of stuff in it ?
>
> these are the standard downloadables from APUS@sourceforge
>
> they have pretty much the same functionality. I guess
> there are many features that can be cut out of 2.
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 03:15:14PM +0100, Alan Buxey wrote:
> hi,
>
> > Don't you need some part of AmigaOS to make a floppy bootable?
>
> no, and yes. Under AmigaOS you run 'install df0:' but this doesnt
> put any files onto the disk as such, it just writes a bootblock
> (a few hundred bytes)
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 03:05:01PM +0100, Alan Buxey wrote:
> hi,
>
> > What is the size of the 2.4.x kernel compared to the 2.2.10 one ?
>
> bigger, I recall 2.4.4 being over 3Mb (compared to 2.2.10 being just over
> 2.1Mb)
What about gzipped kernels ?
And did you have the same amount of stu
hi,
> And did you have the same amount of stuff in it ?
these are the standard downloadables from APUS@sourceforge
they have pretty much the same functionality. I guess
there are many features that can be cut out of 2.4.4
(but most stuff, such as khttpd are as modules already)
alan
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hi,
> Don't you need some part of AmigaOS to make a floppy bootable?
no, and yes. Under AmigaOS you run 'install df0:' but this doesnt
put any files onto the disk as such, it just writes a bootblock
(a few hundred bytes) to the floppy. Theres no reason why we couldnt have
an AmigaOS bootblock a
hi,
> What is the size of the 2.4.x kernel compared to the 2.2.10 one ?
bigger, I recall 2.4.4 being over 3Mb (compared to 2.2.10 being just over
2.1Mb)
alan
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On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 08:20:48AM -0500, Christian T. Steigies wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 02:45:28PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> > On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 11:57:11AM +0100, Alan Buxey wrote:
> > > hi,
> > >
> > > > Can you boot from an external 1.76MB floppy ?
> > >
> > > yes. its treated
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 02:45:28PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 11:57:11AM +0100, Alan Buxey wrote:
> > hi,
> >
> > > Can you boot from an external 1.76MB floppy ?
> >
> > yes. its treated just as the old classic external floppies that I'm sure
> > most people had with the
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 01:26:52PM +0200, Michel Dänzer wrote:
>
>
> Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 15 May 2001, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 11:11:38AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Tue, 15 May 2001, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> >>>You cannot boot from 1
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 12:59:21PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2001, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> > On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 11:11:38AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > > On Tue, 15 May 2001, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> > > You cannot boot from 1.4 MB floppies, only from 880 kB or 1760 k
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 01:36:19PM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2001, Alan Buxey wrote:
> > > Also, is there a way (under linux) to detect if the floppy is of the 1.76 or
> > > the 880 variety ?
> >
> > dont know - I always believe that floppies are too dumb..you only know
>
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 11:57:11AM +0100, Alan Buxey wrote:
> hi,
>
> > Can you boot from an external 1.76MB floppy ?
>
> yes. its treated just as the old classic external floppies that I'm sure
> most people had with their A500's
>
> > but 1.76MB floppies would be easily supported, almost not
On Tue, 15 May 2001, Alan Buxey wrote:
> > My 2.4.4 zImage is only 458036 bytes long. I have lots of modules, but it could
> > work. I remember I once did.
>
> custom images targetted for each APUS environment might be squeezed in.
Oh yes, this was an m68k image. APUS images are probably quite
On Tue, 15 May 2001, Alan Buxey wrote:
> > Also, is there a way (under linux) to detect if the floppy is of the 1.76 or
> > the 880 variety ?
>
> dont know - I always believe that floppies are too dumb..you only know
> what you can do when things you try fail ;-)
grep FD_HD_3 linux/drivers/block
hi,
> My 2.4.4 zImage is only 458036 bytes long. I have lots of modules, but it could
> work. I remember I once did.
custom images targetted for each APUS environment might be squeezed in.
alan
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Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2001, Sven LUTHER wrote:
>
>>On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 11:11:38AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 15 May 2001, Sven LUTHER wrote:
>>>You cannot boot from 1.4 MB floppies, only from 880 kB or 1760 kB floppies.
>>>
>>Well, ok no problem, ju
On Tue, 15 May 2001, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 11:11:38AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > On Tue, 15 May 2001, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> > You cannot boot from 1.4 MB floppies, only from 880 kB or 1760 kB floppies.
>
> Well, ok no problem, just make a tarball that can be copied
hi,
> Can you boot from an external 1.76MB floppy ?
yes. its treated just as the old classic external floppies that I'm sure
most people had with their A500's
> but 1.76MB floppies would be easily supported, almost nothing needs to be
> changed, apart from the rescue disk creation. Does someon
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 11:11:38AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> On Tue, 15 May 2001, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> > On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 08:26:44AM -0500, Christian T. Steigies wrote:
> > > On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 01:05:03PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't know if it is possibl
On Tue, May 15, 2001 at 10:19:33AM +0100, Alan Buxey wrote:
> hi,
>
> > >#if cpu(sparc) || #cpu(powerpc)
> > >const char *fs_type_tab[] = { "ext2", NULL };
> > >#else
> > >const char *fs_type_tab[] = { "msdos", "ext2", NULL };
> > >#endif
> > > as you can understand is imposs
hi,
> >#if cpu(sparc) || #cpu(powerpc)
> >const char *fs_type_tab[] = { "ext2", NULL };
> >#else
> >const char *fs_type_tab[] = { "msdos", "ext2", NULL };
> >#endif
> > as you can understand is impossible for a powerpc machine
> > to load a msdos partition, so i have modified
On Tue, 15 May 2001, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 08:26:44AM -0500, Christian T. Steigies wrote:
> > On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 01:05:03PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't know if it is possible to enable such a per subarch warning (altough
> > > it may be common the the
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 08:26:44AM -0500, Christian T. Steigies wrote:
> On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 01:05:03PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> >
> > I don't know if it is possible to enable such a per subarch warning (altough
> > it may be common the the m68K/amiga folk).
> Floppys on m68k are completel
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 02:21:46PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote:
> On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 10:38:07PM +0200, Giorgio Terzi wrote:
> > Bug 1: dbootstrap
> >
> > The APUS rescue image is MSDOS formatted but in file
> > choose_medium.c from line 34 the code is so:
> >#if cpu(sparc) || #cpu(powerpc)
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 01:05:03PM +0200, Sven LUTHER wrote:
>
> I don't know if it is possible to enable such a per subarch warning (altough
> it may be common the the m68K/amiga folk).
Floppys on m68k are completely useless AFAIK. Since Amigalilo is not
supported by Debian, who needs floppies a
On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 10:38:07PM +0200, Giorgio Terzi wrote:
> Hello Sven,
>
> In first i wish to thank you for your help and for your last
> e-mail. :)))
>
> But let's speak about job.
>
> The second goal is reached!
>
> Now is possible to load & install Rescue & Driver images from
> flop
On Mon, May 14, 2001 at 11:50:40AM +0100, Alan Buxey wrote:
> hi,
>
> > Bug 3: fd0 device problems
> >
> > For APUS /dev/fd0 is unable to load the rescue floppy disk.
> > I think it defaults to the Amiga floppy formats.
> > I must erase it and recreate it with 'mknod fd0 b 2 28'
> > that is the
hi,
> Bug 3: fd0 device problems
>
> For APUS /dev/fd0 is unable to load the rescue floppy disk.
> I think it defaults to the Amiga floppy formats.
> I must erase it and recreate it with 'mknod fd0 b 2 28'
> that is the same of /dev/fd0u1440 in a "standard" installation.
>
> After this change
On Fri, May 11, 2001 at 10:38:07PM +0200, Giorgio Terzi wrote:
> Hello Sven,
>
> In first i wish to thank you for your help and for your last
> e-mail. :)))
>
> But let's speak about job.
>
> The second goal is reached!
>
> Now is possible to load & install Rescue & Driver images from
> flop
At 10:38 PM +0200 5/11/01, Giorgio Terzi wrote:
>Bug 4: dboostrap problem.
>
>dbootsrap was not able to recognize the driver's floppy disk
>because the drivers' default names was treated as complete
>names but they are really "root names" for example:
>drv14 is a "root name"
>drv14apus.b
Hello Sven,
In first i wish to thank you for your help and for your last
e-mail. :)))
But let's speak about job.
The second goal is reached!
Now is possible to load & install Rescue & Driver images from
floppies, CD-ROMS,HD-Partitions.
But to do this we must correct some bugs :
Bug 1: dboot
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