Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-09-05 Thread Frans Pop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 26 August 2004 17:40, Joey Hess wrote: > Also FWIW, Colin and I discussed making a d-i kernel update checklist, > and here's my attempt at that. It's not exactly a trivial process.. > > 1. New kernel deb enters the archive. [...] > 15. Get

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-29 Thread John Summerfield
Sven Luther wrote: It's a self-built kernel, but without modification. I neglected to include a modules listing in the bug report. Here are those myst likely to be involved: ide_generic 1472 0 sis551316776 1 hpt366 22788 2 ide_disk 19264

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-29 Thread John Summerfield
Sven Luther wrote: It's a self-built kernel, but without modification. I neglected to include a modules listing in the bug report. Here are those myst likely to be involved: ide_generic 1472 0 sis551316776 1 hpt366 22788 2 ide_disk 19264

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-29 Thread John Summerfield
Sven Luther wrote: It's a self-built kernel, but without modification. I neglected to include a modules listing in the bug report. Here are those myst likely to be involved: ide_generic 1472 0 sis551316776 1 hpt366 22788 2 ide_disk 19264

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-28 Thread Joshua Kwan
Sven Luther wrote: I asked because another guy (with a piix chipset though), was claiming that his chipset was not detected, and thus that dma was not activated. If he was using 2.4.27 tell him to use 2.4.26 for now. As I've mentioned in other mails I just fixed 2.4.27, in trunk. -- Joshua Kwan

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Sun, Aug 29, 2004 at 09:58:16AM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: > > >>>kowari:~# hdparm -t /dev/hd{a,g}{,} > >>> > >>>/dev/hda: > >>>Timing buffered disk reads: 152 MB in 3.02 seconds = 50.33 MB/sec > >>>/dev/hda: > >>>Timing buffered disk reads: 152 MB in 3.02 seconds = 50.33 MB/sec > >>>

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-28 Thread John Summerfield
kowari:~# hdparm -t /dev/hd{a,g}{,} /dev/hda: Timing buffered disk reads: 152 MB in 3.02 seconds = 50.33 MB/sec /dev/hda: Timing buffered disk reads: 152 MB in 3.02 seconds = 50.33 MB/sec /dev/hdg: Timing buffered disk reads: 120 MB in 3.02 seconds = 39.74 MB/sec /dev/hdg: Timing buffere

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Aug 28, 2004 at 04:01:35PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: > John Summerfield wrote: > > >Sven Luther wrote: > > > >>>fwiw I noticed something very like this between 2.2 and 2.4 when 2.4 > >>>was new: 2.2 was faster on my Pentium system. I think it was a > >>>earlier version of the same c

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-28 Thread John Summerfield
Steve Langasek wrote: We depend on the experts (the kernel team) for the information we need in order to make good decisions -- or better, to help *you* make good decisions. Based on this thread and other discussions, I understand that the current 2.4.26 packages are unsuitable for release because

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-28 Thread Steve Langasek
On Sat, Aug 28, 2004 at 11:24:12AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 09:25:20PM -0600, dann frazier wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 10:58:06PM +0200, Norbert Tretkowski wrote: > > > There was no final decision if we ship 2.4.27 with sarge. > > I wonder what needs to happen to

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Sat, Aug 28, 2004 at 11:24:12AM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: > On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 09:25:20PM -0600, dann frazier wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 10:58:06PM +0200, Norbert Tretkowski wrote: > > > There was no final decision if we ship 2.4.27 with sarge. > > > > I wonder what needs to happen

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-28 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 09:25:20PM -0600, dann frazier wrote: > On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 10:58:06PM +0200, Norbert Tretkowski wrote: > > There was no final decision if we ship 2.4.27 with sarge. > > I wonder what needs to happen to have a formal d-k decision. > Do other subgroups of Debian have a m

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-28 Thread John Summerfield
John Summerfield wrote: Sven Luther wrote: fwiw I noticed something very like this between 2.2 and 2.4 when 2.4 was new: 2.2 was faster on my Pentium system. I think it was a earlier version of the same chipset. Here are results on 2.6.7-1-k7: /dev/hda: Timing buffered disk reads: 108 MB in 3.

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 11:30:27PM +0100, peter green wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Joey Hess [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: 27 August 2004 22:59 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sub

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-27 Thread dann frazier
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 10:58:06PM +0200, Norbert Tretkowski wrote: > There was no final decision if we ship 2.4.27 with sarge. I wonder what needs to happen to have a formal d-k decision. Do other subgroups of Debian have a mechanism for this? Maybe we need a designated person or persons who can

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-27 Thread Thiemo Seufer
Norbert Tretkowski wrote: [snip] > > > I'm going to upload an updated kernel-image-2.4.26-alpha package next > > > weekend, please make sure you're using this one, because it'll be > > > build against kernel-source-2.4.26 2.4.26-6, which fixes some security > > > issues. > > > > ... not kernel-ima

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-27 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* Steve Langasek wrote: > On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 01:26:37PM +0200, Norbert Tretkowski wrote: > > * Steve Langasek wrote: > > > I should be able to get linux-kernel-di-alpha done and uploaded by > > > Monday. > > > I'm going to upload an updated kernel-image-2.4.26-alpha package next > > weekend,

RE: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-27 Thread peter green
> -Original Message- > From: Joey Hess [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 27 August 2004 22:59 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge > > > Raphael Hertzog wrote: > >

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-27 Thread Joey Hess
Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Quoting Joey Hess: > > 15. Get ftp-master to remove kernel udebs for the old kernel version > > from testing. This will *break* some old released install media > > (floppy, netboot, not cdrom), but it's necessary before release. > > Why is this necessary ? I'm a bi

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-27 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Quoting Joey Hess: > 15. Get ftp-master to remove kernel udebs for the old kernel version > from testing. This will *break* some old released install media > (floppy, netboot, not cdrom), but it's necessary before release. Why is this necessary ? I'm a bit worried that rc1 netinst images d

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-27 Thread Steve Langasek
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 01:26:37PM +0200, Norbert Tretkowski wrote: > * Steve Langasek wrote: > > I should be able to get linux-kernel-di-alpha done and uploaded by > > Monday. > I'm going to upload an updated kernel-image-2.4.26-alpha package next > weekend, please make sure you're using this one

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-27 Thread John Summerfield
Sven Luther wrote: fwiw I noticed something very like this between 2.2 and 2.4 when 2.4 was new: 2.2 was faster on my Pentium system. I think it was a earlier version of the same chipset. Here are results on 2.6.7-1-k7: /dev/hda: Timing buffered disk reads: 108 MB in 3.02 seconds = 35.78 MB/s

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 07:10:55PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: > Sven Luther wrote: > > >>All here who have 2.4 and 2.6 kernels on ppc should try disk speed tests > >>with hdparm: I found my new Athlon (well the mobo's new, CPU's not) is > >>30% faster with the 2.4 kernel. > >> > >> > > >

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-27 Thread Norbert Tretkowski
* Steve Langasek wrote: > I should be able to get linux-kernel-di-alpha done and uploaded by > Monday. I'm going to upload an updated kernel-image-2.4.26-alpha package next weekend, please make sure you're using this one, because it'll be build against kernel-source-2.4.26 2.4.26-6, which fixes so

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 12:00:47PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > Christoph Hellwig writes: > > On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 10:47:29AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > > > > It will be 2.6.8. > > > > > > If you write 2.6.8, do you mean 2.6.8.1? Or is the diff to .1 included > > > in the Debian packages?

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-27 Thread John Summerfield
Sven Luther wrote: All here who have 2.4 and 2.6 kernels on ppc should try disk speed tests with hdparm: I found my new Athlon (well the mobo's new, CPU's not) is 30% faster with the 2.4 kernel. Have you reported a bug report on this ? And with which 2.6 kernel was it ? I haven't. I pla

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-27 Thread Matthias Klose
Christoph Hellwig writes: > On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 10:47:29AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > > > It will be 2.6.8. > > > > If you write 2.6.8, do you mean 2.6.8.1? Or is the diff to .1 included > > in the Debian packages? I cannot find a hint and the version number is > > misleading. > > Given t

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-27 Thread Christoph Hellwig
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 10:47:29AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > > It will be 2.6.8. > > If you write 2.6.8, do you mean 2.6.8.1? Or is the diff to .1 included > in the Debian packages? I cannot find a hint and the version number is > misleading. Given the diff to .1 is tiny and four-digit versi

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 10:47:29AM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote: > Sven Luther writes: > > On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 07:53:09AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > > > > > > > > Based on discussions on the debian-kernel list[1], I'd like to propose > > > > > that we use 2.4.27 as the 2.4 kernel for a

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-27 Thread Matthias Klose
Sven Luther writes: > On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 07:53:09AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > > > > > > Based on discussions on the debian-kernel list[1], I'd like to propose > > > > that we use 2.4.27 as the 2.4 kernel for all architectures with 2.4 kernels > > > > in sarge. The strongest argumen

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 02:06:46PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: > Steve Langasek wrote: > > >> Various tasks are in a hold pattern until this decision is made (ensuring > >>that d-i uses the proper kernel, removal of other kernel packages from > >>sarge, rebuilding of some packages to fix build-

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 02:06:46PM +0800, John Summerfield wrote: > Steve Langasek wrote: > > >> Various tasks are in a hold pattern until this decision is made (ensuring > >>that d-i uses the proper kernel, removal of other kernel packages from > >>sarge, rebuilding of some packages to fix build-

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Thu, Aug 26, 2004 at 09:48:00PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 05:35:16PM -0600, dann frazier wrote: > > Based on discussions on the debian-kernel list[1], I'd like to propose > > that we use 2.4.27 as the 2.4 kernel for all architectures with 2.4 kernels > > in sarge.

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-27 Thread Sven Luther
On Fri, Aug 27, 2004 at 07:53:09AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > > > > Based on discussions on the debian-kernel list[1], I'd like to propose > > > that we use 2.4.27 as the 2.4 kernel for all architectures with 2.4 kernels > > > in sarge. The strongest arguments for 2.4.27, as opposed to 2

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-26 Thread John Summerfield
Steve Langasek wrote: Various tasks are in a hold pattern until this decision is made (ensuring that d-i uses the proper kernel, removal of other kernel packages from sarge, rebuilding of some packages to fix build-dep issues[4]), so I'd like to uncover any problems with this proposal quickly.

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-26 Thread Christian Perrier
> > Based on discussions on the debian-kernel list[1], I'd like to propose > > that we use 2.4.27 as the 2.4 kernel for all architectures with 2.4 kernels > > in sarge. The strongest arguments for 2.4.27, as opposed to 2.4.26 were noted > > by tbm [3]. > > One thing to bear in mind when making

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-26 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 05:35:16PM -0600, dann frazier wrote: > Based on discussions on the debian-kernel list[1], I'd like to propose > that we use 2.4.27 as the 2.4 kernel for all architectures with 2.4 kernels > in sarge. The strongest arguments for 2.4.27, as opposed to 2.4.26 were noted > b

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-26 Thread Joey Hess
dann frazier wrote: > Based on discussions on the debian-kernel list[1], I'd like to propose > that we use 2.4.27 as the 2.4 kernel for all architectures with 2.4 kernels > in sarge. The strongest arguments for 2.4.27, as opposed to 2.4.26 were noted > by tbm [3]. One thing to bear in mind when

Re: [PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-25 Thread Sven Luther
On Wed, Aug 25, 2004 at 05:35:16PM -0600, dann frazier wrote: > Based on discussions on the debian-kernel list[1], I'd like to propose > that we use 2.4.27 as the 2.4 kernel for all architectures with 2.4 kernels > in sarge. The strongest arguments for 2.4.27, as opposed to 2.4.26 were noted > b

[PROPOSAL] 2.4.27 as default 2.4 kernel for sarge

2004-08-25 Thread dann frazier
Based on discussions on the debian-kernel list[1], I'd like to propose that we use 2.4.27 as the 2.4 kernel for all architectures with 2.4 kernels in sarge. The strongest arguments for 2.4.27, as opposed to 2.4.26 were noted by tbm [3]. All 2.4 architectures have 2.4.27 kernel images built.