On Mittwoch, 3. Oktober 2012, Tiago Bortoletto Vaz wrote:
> Agreed. Also, should we extend this argument for some sponsors like one in
> DC12 which provided (or tried to) some money for Central Americans only?
> Technically speaking it limits the orga team autonomy as well.
limitations are fine, i
On Tue, Oct 02, 2012 at 12:51:44AM +0200, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> Thanks for all the input so far. It seems that most people agree with
> the general direction of the proposal.
>
> Gunnar Wolf writes:
>
> > Lucas Nussbaum dijo [Mon, Sep 03, 2012 at 08:33:26AM +0200]:
> >> (...)↓
> >
On Wed, Sep 05, 2012 at 09:31:19AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Dienstag, 4. September 2012, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> > > no. We only count money (or directly valuable ressources, usually things)
> > > into account for sponsoring.
> > >
> > > (I guesstimate) Half of the orgateam is free
Hi
Thanks for all the input so far. It seems that most people agree with
the general direction of the proposal.
Gunnar Wolf writes:
> Lucas Nussbaum dijo [Mon, Sep 03, 2012 at 08:33:26AM +0200]:
>> (...)↓
>> I don't think that the "economical effort" should be part of the
>> ranking. First, it
Daniel Pocock dijo [Tue, Sep 04, 2012 at 08:13:43PM +0200]:
> >> Actually, that is an interesting point
> >
> > no, its a boring old point...
> >
> >> If somebody's employer gives them a week of work time to attend DebConf,
> >> should that company be recognised as a sponsor?
> >
> > no. We only
Lucas Nussbaum dijo [Mon, Sep 03, 2012 at 08:33:26AM +0200]:
> (...)↓
> I don't think that the "economical effort" should be part of the
> ranking. First, it's very hard to quantify, because you need to consider
> at least: income, general cost of living, family & other recurring
> expenses, does a
On 05/09/12 14:28, Holger Levsen wrote:
> problem per se. What is a problem is that you seem to insist on your ideas...
I don't mean to `insist' or `rant' about any one idea, nor waste
anybody's time (mine is no less valuable than yours)
However, when I see a comment such as your choice of the w
Hi Daniel,
I will ignore your input regarding sponsorship from now, it's a waste of my
time. I'd appreciate if you could find other areas in DebConf to work
on^w^wdiscuss about (as you have clearly shown that you have little
understanding how sponsoring and DebConf works).
"New input and ideas
Daniel Pocock writes:
>> ok, to be clearer: its not just pointless or besides the point, its outright
>> harmful. (Starting with this discussion even...)
>
> If someone makes a contribution to Debian or DebConf, why is it harmful
> to recognise them?
Maybe it's only because I use a thread based
Daniel, that's really getting ridiculous.
Le mercredi, 5 septembre 2012 13.30:17, Daniel Pocock a écrit :
> While I understand all of your points, I also think we should look at it
> from the other side:
>
> - Company A chooses to hire DDs, let them attend DebConf on work time,
> maybe even pay t
On 05/09/12 09:31, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Dienstag, 4. September 2012, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>>> no. We only count money (or directly valuable ressources, usually things)
>>> into account for sponsoring.
>>>
>>> (I guesstimate) Half of the orgateam is freelancing, listing them as
>>> spo
Hi,
On Dienstag, 4. September 2012, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> > no. We only count money (or directly valuable ressources, usually things)
> > into account for sponsoring.
> >
> > (I guesstimate) Half of the orgateam is freelancing, listing them as
> > sponsors is... pointless or even totally besides
Le mardi, 4 septembre 2012 20.13:43, Daniel Pocock a écrit :
> Not completely pointless - it encourages more companies to follow the
> example of sending people on work time.
>
> Of course, if every company did that, and no company sends cash, there
> would be a problem: maybe just give 50% discou
On 04/09/12 19:07, Holger Levsen wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>
> On Montag, 3. September 2012, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> Actually, that is an interesting point
>
> no, its a boring old point...
>
>> If somebody's employer gives them a week of work time to attend DebConf,
>> should that company be recognis
Hi Daniel,
On Montag, 3. September 2012, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> Actually, that is an interesting point
no, its a boring old point...
> If somebody's employer gives them a week of work time to attend DebConf,
> should that company be recognised as a sponsor?
no. We only count money (or directly
Hi David,
On Montag, 3. September 2012, David Bremner wrote:
> Holger Levsen writes:
> > On Montag, 3. September 2012, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> >> I think that the sponsorship committee should:
> >> 2) rank demands based on *benefit of attendance for Debian*.
> >
> > +1
> >
> > (and I agree with
>> c) or a focus on young people/students, perhaps?
>>
>> This last option stands out most for me, whether it is 100% sponsorship
>> or just 33% discount, the intention is to stimulate a future generation
>> rather than to pay for results now.
>
> You are making the assumption that the future gen
On 03/09/12 at 15:33 +0200, Daniel Pocock wrote:
> On 03/09/12 08:33, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>
> > I think that the sponsorship committee should:
> > 1) verify that the funding asked for is adequate (given the expected
> >travel costs from the originating country)
> > 2) rank demands based on *
On 03/09/12 at 11:08 -0300, David Bremner wrote:
> Holger Levsen writes:
>
> > On Montag, 3. September 2012, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> >> I think that the sponsorship committee should:
> >> 2) rank demands based on *benefit of attendance for Debian*.
> >
> > +1
> >
> > (and I agree with the two not
Holger Levsen writes:
> On Montag, 3. September 2012, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
>> I think that the sponsorship committee should:
>> 2) rank demands based on *benefit of attendance for Debian*.
>
> +1
>
> (and I agree with the two not quoted suggestions as well.)
Just to be clear, to me Lucas's mess
On 03/09/12 08:33, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> I think that the sponsorship committee should:
> 1) verify that the funding asked for is adequate (given the expected
>travel costs from the originating country)
> 2) rank demands based on *benefit of attendance for Debian*.
>If you quantify, for
On Montag, 3. September 2012, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> I also think that this goes too far.
>
> I think that the sponsorship committee should:
> 1) verify that the funding asked for is adequate (given the expected
>travel costs from the originating country)
> 2) rank demands based on *benefit o
On Mon, Sep 03, 2012 at 08:33:26AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> Another idea: ask sponsored attendees to write a short report after
> Debconf, on their actual work during debconf. It would probably be very
> extreme to remove sponsorship after Debconf if the results are not good
> enough, but it
On 02/09/12 at 21:24 -0300, David Bremner wrote:
> Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes:
>
> > Agreed. What's interesting is the ratio between the income and the
> > amount requested, not any of both absolute numbers. What I envision is
> > a list ordered by "days of work needed to produce the money I
> >
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes:
> Agreed. What's interesting is the ratio between the income and the
> amount requested, not any of both absolute numbers. What I envision is
> a list ordered by "days of work needed to produce the money I
> request".
I guess I'm not seeing how days of work is differ
Le dimanche, 2 septembre 2012 14.40:10, David Bremner a écrit :
> Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes:
> > There are various ways to ask it: ask directly for the monthly income
> > (quite intrusive), "how many days of full-time job salary", ratio
> > between the requested amount and the monthly income, et
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes:
> There are various ways to ask it: ask directly for the monthly income (quite
> intrusive), "how many days of full-time job salary", ratio between the
> requested amount and the monthly income, etc.
These all seem pretty the same to me, up to doing some arithmetic
Le dimanche, 26 août 2012 21.31:46, David Bremner a écrit :
> 1) Asking for one more number.
> --
> (…)
> We propose to ask for 3 numbers.
>
> a) total travel cost
> b) amount requested
> c) minimum useful amount (with less than this, I cannot attend)
I quite like this
On 27 August 2012 11:37, Holger Levsen wrote:
> This would also allow us to start a fundraising campaigns with more specific
> goals, ie "increase the non-european attendees sponsorship budget by 10k CHF"
> or such.
Is that the sound of Indiegogo crowdsource funding campaigns for
DebConf Travel S
Hi David,
thanks for the proposal, in general I like it very much!
On Sonntag, 26. August 2012, David Bremner wrote:
> 6) About DebConf Newbies
this reminds me that I think we should have several budgets, ie in the case of
dc13:
- newbie sponsorship (30%)
- european attendees sponsorship (25%)
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