Re: [Debconf-team] reading thru the meeting logs...

2012-10-25 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, just appending some info which was given on IRC: (for those not following IRC.) On Mittwoch, 24. Oktober 2012, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > 3a. So assuming we'd sign the lecamp contract (or any others introducing > > 150K in costs) how would you propose to deal with the, eg, 100K debt? > > Share

Re: [Debconf-team] reading thru the meeting logs...

2012-10-25 Thread micah anderson
David Bremner writes: > micah anderson writes: > >> I want to emphasis a bit what Moray wrote above. If travel sponsorship >> is eliminated because other things are too expensive, that results in a >> Debconf where only people who can afford to go can go. It raises the >> economic minimum bar to

Re: [Debconf-team] reading thru the meeting logs...

2012-10-25 Thread David Bremner
micah anderson writes: > I want to emphasis a bit what Moray wrote above. If travel sponsorship > is eliminated because other things are too expensive, that results in a > Debconf where only people who can afford to go can go. It raises the > economic minimum bar to a level where we cut people of

Re: [Debconf-team] reading thru the meeting logs...

2012-10-25 Thread micah anderson
Moray Allan writes: > On 2012-10-25 01:39, Gunnar Wolf wrote: >> Right. Emergency mode rarely makes us take the best >> decisions. However, in order to get the number closer in line with >> the >> forseen numbers, we can assume no travel sponsorship will be >> paid. That will mean we have to bud

Re: [Debconf-team] reading thru the meeting logs...

2012-10-25 Thread Moray Allan
On 2012-10-25 01:39, Gunnar Wolf wrote: Right. Emergency mode rarely makes us take the best decisions. However, in order to get the number closer in line with the forseen numbers, we can assume no travel sponsorship will be paid. That will mean we have to budget for IIRC CHF30K less - And ~15%

Re: [Debconf-team] reading thru the meeting logs...

2012-10-24 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 25/10/12 02:33, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Daniel Pocock dijo [Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 06:20:14PM +0200]: > >>> 1. budget is now (?) assuming 220K, with 100k coming from sponsors and 100k >>> coming from attendees and 20k missing. >>> (...) >>> >> This is what I've been trying to emphasize al

Re: [Debconf-team] reading thru the meeting logs...

2012-10-24 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Gaudenz Steinlin dijo [Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 05:00:04PM +0200]: > > 2. travel sponsorship: I think given the finacial situation, we can stop > > thinking about it. Really. > > As I also said during the meeting I disagree. I think we should at least > make sure that the results from the discussion

Re: [Debconf-team] reading thru the meeting logs...

2012-10-24 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Daniel Pocock dijo [Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 06:20:14PM +0200]: > > 1. budget is now (?) assuming 220K, with 100k coming from sponsors and 100k > > coming from attendees and 20k missing. > > (...) > > This is what I've been trying to emphasize all along - even with other > venues, there is no such t

Re: [Debconf-team] reading thru the meeting logs...

2012-10-24 Thread Moray Allan
On 2012-10-24 20:17, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: Sorry, I was probably unclear. I did not mean to say that we should ignore how DC 13 gets money but the income side of the PDF files that were commited to SVN. Or more precise just ignore the very controversial idea of "attendence fees" that is in th

Re: [Debconf-team] reading thru the meeting logs...

2012-10-24 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Hi Moray Allan writes: > On 2012-10-24 16:00, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: >> For now I suggest to just ignore the income side of the budget. > > LOL. Sorry, I was probably unclear. I did not mean to say that we should ignore how DC 13 gets money but the income side of the PDF files that were commi

Re: [Debconf-team] reading thru the meeting logs...

2012-10-24 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 24/10/12 14:39, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > I'm reading through the meeting log and these are my comments. > > 1. budget is now (?) assuming 220K, with 100k coming from sponsors and 100k > coming from attendees and 20k missing. > > reply: frankly speaking, thats not my DebConf, 100k from

Re: [Debconf-team] reading thru the meeting logs...

2012-10-24 Thread Moray Allan
On 2012-10-24 16:00, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: For now I suggest to just ignore the income side of the budget. LOL. -- Moray ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team

Re: [Debconf-team] reading thru the meeting logs...

2012-10-24 Thread Moray Allan
On 2012-10-24 16:00, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: 4. I disagree with Gunnar on "We are either holding DC13 in Switzerland or cancelling it altogether, I think" ;-) I hope nobody seriously considers cancelling at this point. I don't think talking about cancelling any further helps at the moment. T

Re: [Debconf-team] reading thru the meeting logs...

2012-10-24 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Hi I'll try to answer from my POV. I think any serious discussions should not be done as replies to this thread but as individual mailinglist threads with one topic per thread. So I'll try to just cler any possible missunderstanding. Holger Levsen writes: > Hi, > > I'm reading through the meet

[Debconf-team] reading thru the meeting logs...

2012-10-24 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, I'm reading through the meeting log and these are my comments. 1. budget is now (?) assuming 220K, with 100k coming from sponsors and 100k coming from attendees and 20k missing. reply: frankly speaking, thats not my DebConf, 100k from attendees means 250 from each attendee, if 400 come an