Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-23 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
On 01/23/2013 08:08 PM, Philipp Kern wrote: > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:07:17PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: >> By this I mean that if you register as a professional attendee (and pay >> the fee) you also have to pay for food and accomodation for those days >> you actually want sleep and/or eat

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-23 Thread Philipp Hug
Hi Philipp, It'll still be just one invoice. Food/Accomodation/Conference. Do you really think this is a problem to get reimbursed? Philipp On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 8:08 PM, Philipp Kern wrote: > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:07:17PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: >> By this I mean that if you reg

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-23 Thread Philipp Kern
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:07:17PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > By this I mean that if you register as a professional attendee (and pay > the fee) you also have to pay for food and accomodation for those days > you actually want sleep and/or eat at Le Camp. One should not be able to > register

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-23 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
So replying myself, a proposal with real numbers adapting OdyX first draft. Food: - sponsored food - food (40 CHF/day, 320/week) - no organized food (Attention: no restaurant/shop on short walking distance) and for accommodation - sponsored accommodation (big rooms, sleeping bag, free) - sleepin

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-23 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
On 23.01.2013 11:14, gregor herrmann wrote: On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 09:17:41 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: I wonder if it would not simplify things if there would be some other status of attendee that is not called "professional" but simply covers its very own costs. Isn't that "non-sponsored", i.e

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-23 Thread gregor herrmann
On Wed, 23 Jan 2013 09:17:41 +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > I wonder if it would not simplify things if there would be some other > status of attendee that is not called "professional" but simply covers > its very own costs. Isn't that "non-sponsored", i.e. just not applying for food+accomodatio

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-23 Thread Andreas Tille
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:07:17PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > > It also sounds a bit weird if you want to support the conference but not > pay for the costs of your food and accomodation. If you only want to pay > part of your costs you can still apply for sponored food and > accomodation an

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-22 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Andreas Tille writes: > On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 03:03:11PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: >> >> Yes that's right. IMO the professional attendence fee should include >> neither food nor accomodation. It's just for attending the conference >> and completely voluntary. >> >> ... >> >> For profess

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-22 Thread Andreas Tille
On Sun, Jan 20, 2013 at 03:03:11PM +0100, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote: > > Yes that's right. IMO the professional attendence fee should include > neither food nor accomodation. It's just for attending the conference > and completely voluntary. > > ... > > For professional attendees my idea of complet

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-20 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes: > Le samedi, 19 janvier 2013 21.10:23, Gaudenz Steinlin a écrit : >> Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes: >> > I think (but without much conviction) that the "professional fee" should >> > include accomodation in "non-dormitories" beds. By doing that we must >> > also put th

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-20 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le dimanche, 20 janvier 2013 14.47:06, Moray Allan a écrit : > On 2013-01-20 10:58, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > > As I understand your proposal, this is essentially fully decoupling > > hosting and "conference attendance", right? > > Yes, that's what we decided to try (again) this year, after so

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-20 Thread Moray Allan
On 2013-01-20 10:58, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: As I understand your proposal, this is essentially fully decoupling hosting and "conference attendance", right? Yes, that's what we decided to try (again) this year, after some years of confusion from attendees and sponsors because we mixed up

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-20 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le samedi, 19 janvier 2013 21.10:23, Gaudenz Steinlin a écrit : > Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes: > > I think (but without much conviction) that the "professional fee" should > > include accomodation in "non-dormitories" beds. By doing that we must > > also put the focus on the fact that "professiona

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-19 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
Hi Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes: > Hi all, > > thanks Gaudenz for this proposal! Thanks for reviving the discussion. > > Le mardi, 15 janvier 2013 23.01:12, Gaudenz Steinlin a écrit : > >> * How should the bed selling work in conjunction with the professional >> fee? >> It was suggested seve

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-18 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 18/01/13 10:48, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > Hi all, > > thanks Gaudenz for this proposal! > > Le mardi, 15 janvier 2013 23.01:12, Gaudenz Steinlin a écrit : > >> * Do we want to sell the better beds at all? >> While some of us would like to keep money completely out of DebConf >> provided a

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-18 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le vendredi, 18 janvier 2013 14.39:22, Philip Hands a écrit : > Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes: > > The best solution seems to ask potential groups ("attendee" + relatives) > > to book early and then inform them at a later (but not too late) date if > > it's okay or not. > > What are they supposed t

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-18 Thread Philip Hands
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud writes: ... > The best solution seems to ask potential groups ("attendee" + relatives) to > book early and then inform them at a later (but not too late) date if it's > okay or not. What are they supposed to do with the now-useless airline tickets if we tell them we cannot

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-18 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Hi all, thanks Gaudenz for this proposal! Le mardi, 15 janvier 2013 23.01:12, Gaudenz Steinlin a écrit : > * Do we want to sell the better beds at all? > While some of us would like to keep money completely out of DebConf > provided accomodation nobody has come up with an alternative proposal > y

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-17 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le jeudi, 17 janvier 2013 18.54:43, Daniel Pocock a écrit : > On 17/01/13 15:27, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > > I think all these three ideas are terribly wrong: we would be using our > > "DebConf" privileges to push insider goals: why would "put Penta into > > retirement" give a single room but "

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-17 Thread Daniel Pocock
On 17/01/13 15:27, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > Le jeudi, 17 janvier 2013 13.33:47, Daniel Pocock a écrit : > >> A few other ideas come to mind: >> >> - One single room to be awarded to the sponsorship team as an incentive for >> best fundraiser >> >> - One single room as a reward for the 'runn

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-17 Thread Philipp Hug
I don't think we should distribute the room according to what someone does or did for Debian/DebConf. This will only cause problems and adds a lot of bureaucracy. I'd prefer a combination of simple allocation policies like: 'first come, first serve' and pricing. And I agree with Didier, that exce

Re: [Debconf-team] Le Camp Accomodation - Bed selling and professional fee

2013-01-17 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le jeudi, 17 janvier 2013 13.33:47, Daniel Pocock a écrit : > A few other ideas come to mind: > > - One single room to be awarded to the sponsorship team as an incentive for > best fundraiser > > - One single room as a reward for the 'runner up' in the Debconf14 contest, > as an extra incentive t