Re: [darktable-dev] proposal about AI

2023-09-30 Thread Sturm Flut
Hi, I'm against taking an official stand on this for the following reasons: 1. There is no consensus on what "AI" means. darktable already uses algorithms that may count as "artificial intelligence" depending on someone's viewpoint, and on the other hand algorithms classically used for genera

Re: [darktable-dev] proposal about AI

2023-09-22 Thread Mica Semrick
If you're throwing all of AI/ML out the window, I think you're missing the point. There are already lua plugins that let you use AI/ML, like photils and face_recognize. The uses of AI can be helpful and reduce the amount of handwork needed to maintain your photo library. The problem for darkt

Re: [darktable-dev] proposal about AI

2023-09-22 Thread Jan Ingwer Baer
On 22-Sep-23 14:26, Bernhard wrote: I'm not sure how to differentiate AI and ML (machine learning) ... ML (machine learning) is what it is working inside, AI (artificial intelligence) is what you call it if you want to impress the public or get some (research) funding. For me, calling it AI is

Re: [darktable-dev] proposal about AI

2023-09-22 Thread Martin Straeten
I doubt missing Ai functions are a result of developers are against AI - darktable doesn’t have AU functions because it’s a lot of effort required to do that in a proper way. Developers capacity is quite rare. They decide where to spend their spare time.. Making use of AI, where it supports crea

Re: [darktable-dev] proposal about AI

2023-09-22 Thread Paolo Niccolò Giubelli
The problem is that AI is the natural outcome of digital photography. Until now, digital photography was like film photography by other means: light flowing into the lens, hitting a sensor instead of film emulsion, postprocessing... and voilà. Digital always evolves to convergence: computation come

Re: [darktable-dev] proposal about AI

2023-09-22 Thread Bernhard
I'm not sure how to differentiate AI and ML (machine learning) and and according to the manual the WB mechanisms in color calibration are using ML ... so is the claim intended here realy 100% true? https://docs.darktable.org/usermanual/4.2/en/module-reference/processing-modules/color-calibration

Re: [darktable-dev] proposal about AI

2023-09-22 Thread Graham White
I'm not too happy with supporting this, but I'm also not happy about the gung ho approach to AI which seems so common these days. I don't think that what people now call AI could be called AI worthy of the name, but I still think it's possibly useful, maybe (though I think mostly it's either catast

[darktable-dev] proposal about AI

2023-09-22 Thread Jason Polak
Dear darktable devs, I am not sure how well this will be received, but I have a proposal. Probably everyone knows that AI and particularly generative AI is taking the world by storm. Adobe and many other Raw developers embed it into their products. One of the great things about darktable is th