If you're throwing all of AI/ML out the window, I think you're missing the point.
There are already lua plugins that let you use AI/ML, like photils and face_recognize. The uses of AI can be helpful and reduce the amount of handwork needed to maintain your photo library. The problem for darktable is that a lot of the new hotness AI/ML is (1) too slow, (2) requires massive compute infrastructure, (3) is mostly python so it won't fit well inside darktable, and (4) the major models do not use a free license. Photography is a technological process and always has been. Embrace the technology and use it where it makes sense. If you think shooting film somehow excludes you from technology, you're fooling yourself. -m On September 22, 2023 7:42:39 AM PDT, "Paolo Niccolò Giubelli" <paoloniccolo.giube...@gmail.com> wrote: >The problem is that AI is the natural outcome of digital photography. Until >now, digital photography was like film photography by other means: light >flowing into the lens, hitting a sensor instead of film emulsion, >postprocessing... and voilà. Digital always evolves to convergence: >computation comes into play and photography is becoming something different >(this is why I started practicing film photography 2 years ago). I agree >with you AI in photography is bad, for many reasons, but this is not about >photography anymore. >Paolo > > >Il giorno ven 22 set 2023 alle ore 15:03 Bernhard < >darkta...@intervalsignals.org> ha scritto: > >> I'm not sure how to differentiate AI and ML (machine learning) and and >> according to the manual the WB mechanisms in color calibration are using ML >> ... so is the claim intended here realy 100% true? >> >> https://docs.darktable.org/usermanual/4.2/en/module-reference/processing-modules/color-calibration/#cat-tab-workflow >> >> Graham White schrieb am 22.09.23 um 13:44: >> > I'm not too happy with supporting this, but I'm also not happy about the >> > gung ho approach to AI which seems >> > so common these days. I don't think that what people now call AI could be >> > called AI worthy of the name, but I still think it's possibly useful, >> maybe >> > (though I think mostly it's either catastrophically boring or not >> actually >> > artificial intelligence). But what one might call it >> > (algorithmic image manipulation, for example, or information theoretic >> > image manipulation) might be interesting and/or useful. Just don't call >> it >> > AI. >> > >> > On Fri, Sep 22, 2023 at 11:47 AM Jason Polak <jpo...@jpolak.org> wrote: >> > >> >> Dear darktable devs, >> >> >> >> I am not sure how well this will be received, but I have a proposal. >> >> Probably everyone knows that AI and particularly generative AI is taking >> >> the world by storm. Adobe and many other Raw developers embed it into >> their >> >> products. >> >> >> >> One of the great things about darktable is that it does not offer any AI >> >> tools. This is amazing because people can use it as a product without >> >> supporting AI (simply using AI is supporting its development). >> >> >> >> I was wondering what the devs thought about this? >> >> >> >> My thinking is that AI takes us out of the realm of free-functioning >> >> creativity by making creative decisions for us. It's a mechanization of >> >> photography and it ultimately harms it. >> >> >> >> So, IF you agree with this, I was wondering if the darktable team would >> >> like to make a stand with me against AI, by stating that darktable will >> not >> >> use AI in the future, or offer any AI tools? I know this email may seem >> >> rather strange to all of you but I think AI poses a real danger to >> >> humanity. I am creating a sort of informal coalition of artists and >> people >> >> who do not use AI. >> >> >> >> I have a YouTube channel and I already put "AI Free" on my YouTube >> >> channel. I attached an example of the button I created in Inkscape for >> this >> >> and I provided an SVG for some ideas. I know this sounds rather radical, >> >> and I am not trying to force anything on anyone. Everyone has to make >> their >> >> own choice about AI..... >> >> >> >> Again, I know I'm a bit strange but please at least consider this >> message. >> >> The more people that actively advocate against AI, the better. So, IF >> >> anyone reading this has any qualms about AI and there is some sort of >> >> consensus, please consider my proposal. >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Jason Polak -- A long time darktable user and person who loves >> >> photography, "human style" >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> >> darktable developer mailing list >> >> to unsubscribe send a mail to >> >> darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org >> > >> > >> >> -- >> >> regards >> Bernhard >> >> https://www.bilddateien.de >> >> >> ___________________________________________________________________________ >> darktable developer mailing list >> to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.or > >___________________________________________________________________________ >darktable developer mailing list >to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org > ___________________________________________________________________________ darktable developer mailing list to unsubscribe send a mail to darktable-dev+unsubscr...@lists.darktable.org
