Re: [darktable-dev] dt master branch → Debian Next deps

2019-05-19 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Pascal Obry [05-19-19 17:25]: > Le dimanche 19 mai 2019 à 13:42 -0400, Patrick Shanahan a écrit : > > freenode #pixls.us and/or #darktable > > > > fwiw: most of the discussion re: darktable > > was conducted on freenode irc, #darktable > > but present contributors seem to dislike

Re: [darktable-dev] dt master branch → Debian Next deps

2019-05-19 Thread Pascal Obry
Le dimanche 19 mai 2019 à 13:42 -0400, Patrick Shanahan a écrit : > freenode #pixls.us and/or #darktable > > fwiw: most of the discussion re: darktable > was conducted on freenode irc, #darktable > but present contributors seem to dislike that and do > not go there. T

Re: [darktable-dev] dt master branch → Debian Next deps

2019-05-19 Thread parafin
On Sun, 19 May 2019 13:42:11 -0400 Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Patrick Shanahan [05-19-19 13:36]: > > * Timur Irikovich Davletshin [05-19-19 13:01]: > > > > > On Sun, 2019-05-19 at 12:43 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > > > > > > > probably being built by both in different places. dari

Re: [darktable-dev] dt master branch → Debian Next deps

2019-05-19 Thread Timur Irikovich Davletshin
On Sun, 2019-05-19 at 13:42 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > fwiw: most of the discussion re: darktable > was conducted on freenode irc, #darktable > but present contributors seem to dislike that and do > not go there. discussion has become disjointed and > difficu

Re: [darktable-dev] dt master branch → Debian Next deps

2019-05-19 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Patrick Shanahan [05-19-19 13:36]: > * Timur Irikovich Davletshin [05-19-19 13:01]: > > On Sun, 2019-05-19 at 12:43 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > > > > > probably being built by both in different places. darix's builds are > > > utilizing OBS (openSUSE Build System) iianm, and Bernd's so

Re: [darktable-dev] dt master branch → Debian Next deps

2019-05-19 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Timur Irikovich Davletshin [05-19-19 13:01]: > On Sun, 2019-05-19 at 12:43 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > > > probably being built by both in different places. darix's builds are > > utilizing OBS (openSUSE Build System) iianm, and Bernd's something > > else. > > > > Thanks! Do you know,

Re: [darktable-dev] dt master branch → Debian Next deps

2019-05-19 Thread Timur Irikovich Davletshin
On Sun, 2019-05-19 at 12:43 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > probably being built by both in different places. darix's builds are > utilizing OBS (openSUSE Build System) iianm, and Bernd's something > else. > Thanks! Do you know, what is the best way to reach him? Does he read darktable-dev?

Re: [darktable-dev] dt master branch → Debian Next deps

2019-05-19 Thread Patrick Shanahan
* Timur Irikovich Davletshin [05-19-19 11:51]: > On Sun, 2019-05-19 at 17:37 +0200, Pascal Obry wrote: > > Le dimanche 19 mai 2019 à 18:17 +0300, Timur Irikovich Davletshin a > > écrit : > > > On Sun, 2019-05-19 at 16:54 +0200, Pascal Obry wrote: > > > > I would say that this is up to the packager

Re: [darktable-dev] dt master branch → Debian Next deps

2019-05-19 Thread Timur Irikovich Davletshin
On Sun, 2019-05-19 at 17:37 +0200, Pascal Obry wrote: > Le dimanche 19 mai 2019 à 18:17 +0300, Timur Irikovich Davletshin a > écrit : > > On Sun, 2019-05-19 at 16:54 +0200, Pascal Obry wrote: > > > I would say that this is up to the packager. My take is: > > > > > > - On Linux Roboto should be a d

Re: [darktable-dev] dt master branch → Debian Next deps

2019-05-19 Thread Pascal Obry
Le dimanche 19 mai 2019 à 18:17 +0300, Timur Irikovich Davletshin a écrit : > On Sun, 2019-05-19 at 16:54 +0200, Pascal Obry wrote: > > I would say that this is up to the packager. My take is: > > > > - On Linux Roboto should be a dependency for best experience. But > > certainly not mandatory. >

Re: [darktable-dev] dt master branch → Debian Next deps

2019-05-19 Thread Timur Irikovich Davletshin
On Sun, 2019-05-19 at 16:54 +0200, Pascal Obry wrote: > > I would say that this is up to the packager. My take is: > > - On Linux Roboto should be a dependency for best experience. But > certainly not mandatory. > > - On Windows and MacOS clearly state that this should be installed by > users. >

Re: [darktable-dev] dt master branch → Debian Next deps

2019-05-19 Thread Pascal Obry
Le dimanche 19 mai 2019 à 15:56 +0200, parafin a écrit : > I see a couple of questions that I would like an answer to: > > 1). How do we define what is dt theme? Is it just CSS file? Or can it > include a font? I guess the answer is "only CSS". Yes only CSS. A font cannot be installed system wide

Re: [darktable-dev] dt master branch → Debian Next deps

2019-05-19 Thread parafin
On Sun, 19 May 2019 15:12:43 +0200 Pascal Obry wrote: > Le dimanche 19 mai 2019 à 14:40 +0200, parafin a écrit : > > On Sun, 19 May 2019 13:34:54 +0200 > > Pascal Obry wrote: > > > > > And let me add that there is no Roboto issue at all. > > > > > > 1. the default theme does not use it > > >

Re: [darktable-dev] dt master branch → Debian Next deps

2019-05-19 Thread Pascal Obry
Le dimanche 19 mai 2019 à 14:40 +0200, parafin a écrit : > On Sun, 19 May 2019 13:34:54 +0200 > Pascal Obry wrote: > > > And let me add that there is no Roboto issue at all. > > > > 1. the default theme does not use it > > > > 2. the elegant theme use it as first proposal but there is many othe

Re: [darktable-dev] dt master branch → Debian Next deps

2019-05-19 Thread parafin
On Sun, 19 May 2019 13:34:54 +0200 Pascal Obry wrote: > And let me add that there is no Roboto issue at all. > > 1. the default theme does not use it > > 2. the elegant theme use it as first proposal but there is many other > fallbacks. If none found the system font will be picked. > > 3. fact

Re: [darktable-dev] dt master branch → Debian Next deps

2019-05-19 Thread Pascal Obry
And let me add that there is no Roboto issue at all. 1. the default theme does not use it 2. the elegant theme use it as first proposal but there is many other fallbacks. If none found the system font will be picked. 3. fact is that Gtk has a but and select either Roboto if found and if not th

Re: [darktable-dev] dt master branch → Debian Next deps

2019-05-19 Thread Pascal Obry
Le dimanche 19 mai 2019 à 10:58 +0200, parafin a écrit : > I think dt should just include needed custom fonts and not depend on > system ones if theme requires specific font. So for example default > theme uses system font, that's fine, elegant theme uses specifically > Roboto font - it should be b

Re: [darktable-dev] dt master branch → Debian Next deps

2019-05-19 Thread parafin
You seem to ignore my point about custom themes - splitting (or ignoring) elegant theme from dt doesn't solve the problem of how theming in dt can work. Simple example I can give is web design - web site can rely on some standard fonts every system has, or it can optionally supply its own font usin

Re: [darktable-dev] dt master branch → Debian Next deps

2019-05-19 Thread dt-list
parafin (2019-May-19, excerpt): > I think dt should just include needed custom fonts and not depend on > system ones if theme requires specific font. Imagine every program packing the fonts it likes, each of them in the version the developer found the time to include. Should the fonts also be mai

Re: [darktable-dev] dt master branch → Debian Next deps

2019-05-19 Thread Timur Irikovich Davletshin
Hi! I'm not looking forward for another heated discussion with Aurelien about fonts ))) I'm just telling that all three packages provide same font just in different versions and I don't see why darktable should prefer hinted over unhinted or vice versa. Packaging fonts in dt bundle... well I don'

Re: [darktable-dev] dt master branch → Debian Next deps

2019-05-19 Thread parafin
I think dt should just include needed custom fonts and not depend on system ones if theme requires specific font. So for example default theme uses system font, that's fine, elegant theme uses specifically Roboto font - it should be bundled together with the theme then. The reasoning for it is the