Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate BullyGetsComeuppance

2000-04-07 Thread Tom Vogt
Marcel Popescu wrote: > The whole world is largely socialist, not only Europe, it's just that the > percentage is larger in Europe than in the US. OTOH, Japan is probably even > more socialist. And if we start adding China... [Reese, don't make the > mistake of believing that only the government i

Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate Bully

2000-04-07 Thread Tom Vogt
Marcel Popescu wrote: > I'm sure others will point out, but I fail to see the contradiction. You > might be a nazi, and nazis are a subset of socialists. [And you definitely > expose socialist ideas.] as I said before, it's even more interesting to see most political views cram all OTHER views in

Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate Bully

2000-04-07 Thread Tom Vogt
Reese wrote: > >that's the point: last year. > > No, the point is that whatever monopoly M$ might have tried to bring to > fruition, if they even did, is crumbling by simple virtue of the market > economy moving in a direction M$ can't go. may I remind you that "last year" means: the year the la

Re: Crypto-Anarchist Free Market Model

2000-04-07 Thread Tom Vogt
Tim May wrote: > >if you are a company, then going bancrupt is the equivalence of dying. > >someone threatening you - overt or implied - with driving you out of > >business is the equivalent of a murder threat, right? > > You're being foolish. explain that to the 10k people who lost a job at my

Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate Bully

2000-04-07 Thread Reese
At 10:24 AM 07/04/00 +0200, Tom Vogt wrote: >Reese wrote: >> >that's the point: last year. >> >> No, the point is that whatever monopoly M$ might have tried to bring to >> fruition, if they even did, is crumbling by simple virtue of the market >> economy moving in a direction M$ can't go. > >may

Re: Crypto-Anarchist Free Market Model

2000-04-07 Thread Reese
At 04:51 AM 07/04/00 -0400, Tom Vogt wrote: >Tim May wrote: >> >if you are a company, then going bancrupt is the equivalence of dying. >> >someone threatening you - overt or implied - with driving you out of >> >business is the equivalent of a murder threat, right? >> >> You're being foolish. > >

Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate BullyGetsComeuppance

2000-04-07 Thread Marcel Popescu
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: Tom Vogt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > The whole world is largely socialist, not only Europe, it's just that the > > percentage is larger in Europe than in the US. OTOH, Japan is probably even > > more socialist. And if we start adding China... [Reese, don't make the > > mista

Re: Crypto-Anarchy/Anarcho-Capitalist Errors in Understanding

2000-04-07 Thread David Honig
At 04:47 PM 4/6/00 +0200, Tom Vogt wrote: >David Honig wrote: >> > protection of patent monopolies, >> >> Individual inventors get patents, what extra rights do >> corps get? > >patent portfolios. a long time ago, in a country not very far away (i.e. >the US of A) patents were rare and only grant

Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate Bully

2000-04-07 Thread David Honig
At 09:58 AM 4/6/00 -0400, Tom Vogt wrote: >both nazis and socialists to go GREAT lengths to not be associated with >each other. So do the republicans and democrats here. Some aren't fooled.

Re: Crypto-Anarchist Free Market Model

2000-04-07 Thread Tim May
At 10:47 AM +0200 4/7/00, Tom Vogt wrote: >Tim May wrote: >> >if you are a company, then going bancrupt is the equivalence of dying. >> >someone threatening you - overt or implied - with driving you out of >> >business is the equivalent of a murder threat, right? >> >> You're being foolish. >

Joint Development of Next-Generation Encryption Algorithm

2000-04-07 Thread David Honig
> >Dear David, > >We thank you for taking an interest in Camellia. >Unfortunately, however, we cannot send the technical paper >to you who maybe live outside Japan, because of Japanese >export controll. > >We plan to present Camellia technical report at an international >security conference, plea

Re: Disk INsecurity:Last word on deletes, wipes & The Final

2000-04-07 Thread David Honig
At 04:19 PM 4/6/00 -0400, Gary Jeffers wrote: >Jim Choate writes "...Fourier Analysis..." for ressurecting wiped >data. > > This is interesting but a question arises: How do you interrogate the >data? That is: what INT's (pc interrupts) do you use to look at >the data? Actually, maybe I should

Re: Microsoft: A Day Of Satisfaction As Corporate BullyGetsComeuppance

2000-04-07 Thread Marcel Popescu
X-Loop: openpgp.net From: Colin Rafferty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > In the real world, socialism is defined a little more tightly than > that. You failed to show me your definition. > Of course, by your definition, every government is socialist That was the point. > This does not make them the sam

Re: Crypto-Anarchist Free Market Model

2000-04-07 Thread David Honig
At 04:48 PM 4/6/00 +0200, Tom Vogt wrote: >David Honig wrote: >> I don't think MS ever used violence, or the threat of it. >> Ergo, it ain't nobody's business what they do. > >if you are a company, then going bancrupt is the equivalence of dying. You are confusing meat-violence with abstract meta