Don wrote:
> But how do you create the required tension in a way that
> produces a program that plays the game better?
At least in high handicap go on 19x19 (with the "dynamic bot" being
the stronger player) it seems to work when the bot is kept
in some 35-45 % corridor, as long as it is clearly
Does someone here know the exact starting times (in "common"
time zones) for the 19x19 exhibition games
* Chou(9p) vs MFoG (Fr, August 21)
* Chou(9p) vs Zen (Sa, August 22)
?
Thx in advance.
Ingo.
PS: I will reply later to the interesting postings by Brian Sheppard
and Weston Markham on Lazines
Yesterday and today there have been three
exhibiton games of Chun-Hsun Chou (9p),
on 19x19 board against three different bots
(Zen, Many Faces of Go, Mogo). In all these
games the bots got 7 handicap stones.
Chou won all the games convincingly.
Looking at Nick Wedd's table
http://www.computer-go
Sorry for this rather late contribution. But I wanted to
sort my thoughts before writing.
Brian Sheppard wrote:
> Speaking of laziness, I have been intending to post a study
> concerning capturing races, but I haven't gotten around to it.
> So is it surprising that MC is lazy, given that MC progr
Nick Wedd wrote:
> According to http://oase.nutn.edu.tw/FUZZ_IEEE_2009/result.htm
> Chun-Hsun Chou played only two 19x19 games, the one against Mogo
> was by Shen-Su Chang 6d.
The website you cie does not mention all games played.
Chou (adhoc) played one more game on 19x19 against MoGoBot1,
at ha
After many (hand-operated) games with dynamic komi
in high handicap situations I have - amongst other
things - found the following for board size 19x19,
when the side who has to catch up uses dynamic komi:
(i) At handicap 7 the dynamic komi seems to give at
least one additional level (one stone) i
Olivier Teytaud wrote:
> I hope you did not consider us as a strong entrant; this is
> the first participation of our new bot and main parts change
> everyday (even this morning :-) ).
Independently of you own view I consider MoGoBot to be a very
interesting participant in the tournament.
In m
>> In my eyes, besides MoGo, MFoG, and Zen
>> only Fuego and Valkyria are missing from the top league.
Olivier Teytaud wrote:
> There's CrazyStone at least, also.
Yes, but that was a year ago or longer.
Another story, concerning good old Leela:
When I bought Leela 3.15 / 3.16 in October 2008, I
In the year 2000 I bought the book
"EZ-GO: Oriental Strategy in a Nutshell",
by Bruce and Sue Wilcox. Ki Press; 1996.
I can only recommend it for the many fresh ideas.
A few days ago I found time again to read in it.
This time I was impressed by Bruce Wilcox's strange
opening "Great Wall", where
David Ongaro wrote:
>Ingo Althöfer schrieb:
>> Now I made some autoplay tests, starting from the end position
>> given in the appendix of this mail.
>> * one game with Leela 3.16; Black won.
>> * four games with MFoG 12.016; two wins each for Black and White.
>>
Now I made some autoplay tests, starting from the end position
given in the appendix of this mail.
* one game with Leela 3.16; Black won.
* four games with MFoG 12.016; two wins each for Black and White.
So there is some indiciation that the Great Wall works even
for b
Stefan Kaitschick wrote:
> 29, turning into a won ko, really is a great way to play.
> It would be interesting to know if MoGo perceived itself
> to be on the home stretch here.
> So it would be great to have the bots win rate estimations
> as sgf comments.
I do not have MoGo at hand. But I ente
Brian Sheppard complained:
> Man, I just don't live in the right location. First Paris, and now
> Japan. Can't a position open in, say, Boston? :-(
There was something rather recently, by Dr. Eric Baum
if I remember correctly.
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Hi Robert,
robert jasiek wrote:
> Stefan Kaitschick wrote:
>> One day, when MCTS becomes more refined, bots will stop overestimating
>> the value of influence.
>
> Why should they? Because most human players are overestimating
> the value of early territory?
Interesting comment...
So, do you b
Robert Jasiek wrote:
> ...
>> PS: Can you give us a comment on Fuego's influence-oriented Joseki's
>> in the KGS bot tournament on Sunday ?
>
> I am not sure which game that is; please send it to me / the
> list as SGF inline or attachment. Or do you mean all games of
> Fuego played on 11-08?
F
Hello Robert,
thanks for the detailed comments. I think,
there are many readers/actors here who appreciate them.
Here is the team of Fuego (status from Pamplona, May 2009):
> Markus Enzenbergerengine programmer
> Martin Müller engine programmer
> Broderick Arneson engine programmer
Rich
Hello Robert,
thanks for your detailed comments. I think,
many readers/actors here appreciate them.
At one point you wrote:
> ... I do not mention some obvious mistakes.
Are they later in the game(s), or also
some in the openings? Not all here are really
go experts; so it would be helpful for
Robert Jasiek wrote:
> ... Ask those that can distinguish
> sum-style from obvious mistakes.
Terry McIntyre wrote:
> Robert,
> Your post is the first usage of "sum-style" that I have seen
I found one earlier mentioning of "sum-style", by Robert
in a "godiscussion" in Febrary 2009. Look at
http
Last Friday (Nov 13, 2009), there was a "Long Night
of Sciences" in Jena. My group was involved, under
the title "Games - with mathematics or without".
Amongst others, we organized a mixed tournament
in Havannah (on boards of size 6):
two top humans competed with the to best computer programs.
We p
Hello,
the games of the Havannah tournament in Jena
can be replayed at
http://www.mindsports.nl/index.php/arena/havannah/443-jena-2009-tournament
Cheers, ingo.
PS: Both bots involved (DeepFork by Thomas Reinhardt
and Gambler by Richard Pijl) used special types of
MCTS.
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Alain Baeckeroot wrote:
> A Go tounrmaent with Hahn system has been retransmeted
> see ... http://www.suomigo.net/wiki/HahnSystem
Thanks for the interesting stuff and the links.
>From the link HahnSystem:
> Winning By 0.5-10 gets 60 points
> Winning by 10.5-20 gets 70 points
> Winn
Hideki Kato wrote:
> I'm now testing a cluster version of Zen (Zengg-4x4c-tst), developed
> by a joint project with Yamato, on cgos 19x19. It wons, however, all
> games (except first one with timeout due to a bug). Running more
> strong programs are very appreciated.
Hideki, thx for your acti
Jeff Nowakowski wrote:
> I think this game [go with Hahn scoring; IA] is clearly more
> difficult than a binary win/loss game.
That is one of the possible question, and I also vote for "yes",
as normal go is simply a Hahn-Go veriant with "coarsened" evaluation.
Even more interesting might be this
Hideki replied:
>
>> Do I have a Christmas wish for free already?
>> It is: Let the cluster also run on KGS - against the humans.
>
> I'd like to do so but it's not allowed to connect the
> cluster to the Internet, sigh.
Hmm. As CGOS is also Internet, it seems that Zen-author
does not allow you t
Hi Hideki,
>> Is Zen-Author reading here?
>> Maybe, he can rethink about the possibility.
>
> He is sleeping now 'cause it's 5:30 am in Japan :).
Ok, let him his good sleep.
>> I want Cluster-Zen for Christmas, Cluster-Zen-for Christmas,
>> Cluster-Zen for Christmas, please, please, please, pl
Hi Hideki,
thanks for reporting results of the UEC CPU.
I see that a "participant KCC Igo" is listed.
* Is this program or its "programming" team related to
the KCC program which had plagiarized Handtalk some years ago?
* If so, have the organizers of the UEC Cup made any attempts
to find out a
Hello Hideki,
> Ingo, now Zengg19 is running in Computer Go room as a rank-free bot
> with 30 minutes sd. It's running on a (mini) cluster of four Intel
> quad-core handcraft computers.
Thank you for that Christmas surprise.
And Cluster-Zen's performance on cgos is impressive, indeed:
http://
The old year 2009 ended with a true cracker onm KGS:
In the computer room "Mosa", a Japanese player with
rank 5-dan, had five games with Zen running on a
mini-cluster (4x4 cernels).
One of these games was won by Zen, at chinese rules,
komi 7.5 and handicap 0. Zen was black in that game.
Thinking
Hello all, especially hello Nick,
http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/future.html
are there already plans for KGS bot tournaments
in 2010?
Cheers, Ingo.
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Hi Nick,
> ... So please, anyone who is
> interested, make your suggestions now.
I have a really exotic proposal:
what about one "pair-go bot tournament" in 2010 ?
A pair consists of two bots A and B from different programmers.
In a game, a pair takes one side (Black or White),
and A and B ar
Hi all,
Alain Baeckeroot wrote:
> As a physicist i like to experiment first, and think later,
> to understand what happened, which obviously was not foreseen ;-)
This attitude I like very much, being an experimental mathematician.
> I believe it will reveal some hidden aspect of the stronger eng
Hello,
at a public event (during an exhibition on Claude
Shannon; in Nixdorf museum in Paderborn) I want to
arrange an exhibition game "human vs computer" go on
13x13 board. (Thinking time about 45 minutes for both
sides.)
Does someone here know about "human vs computer" games
on 13x13?
The huma
Dear Nick,
thanks for the report, and more generally thanks
for initiating and organizing all these interesting
KGS bot tournaments.
One wish I have:
Often you give some important web address, followed
directly (without blank) by a komma or a fullstop.
When I click at such an address (under Firef
Hello Nick,
Nick Wedd wrote:
> Ingo: Usually I try to follow URLs with a space, this time I forgot.
Ok, no problem.
Will I get a beer from you at the end of 2010, if you forget
it at least three more times in 2010?
Cheers, Ingo
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Nick Wedd wrote:
> I also owe two beers to the GNU Go team.
Hmm. Promising "one beer" or "two beers" to a
potentially large GNU team seems problematic:
Shall all the gnuguys drink from the same glas?
In a similar way it might be problematic to give a
free beer for a bot on a multi-core PC:
Sho
Hello altogether,
the European Go Congress in 2010
will take place in Finland, in Tampere,
from July 24 to August 07.
There is also the intention to have a special computer
go tournament within the congress, on Wednesday, August 04.
http://www.egc2010.fi/schedule.php
Perhaps, also some exhibiti
Hello,
Petr Baudis wrote:
>> http://www.egc2010.fi/schedule.php
>
> The "Computer Go" label in the schedule is quite ambiguous, it is not
> clear what does it mean...
Probably it is meant "dynamically":
a lot is possible, nothing is forced.
ECG2008 in Sweden had full-fledged tournaments at 9x9
Terry McIntyre wrote:
> ... My pet peeve is the KGS "score estimator", which is often wildly
> wrong
As explained by others a "strong SE for ALL positions" is equivalent
to a strong program.
Instead one might ask for appropriate "partial SE":
in many positions the partial SE gives an estimates;
Hi Nick,
> ... There are details at
> http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=495.
1, and counting.
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Darren Cook wrote:
> This (if I've understood correctly) is what I thought the dynamic komi
> idea was, i.e.:
> Aim to be winning 60% of simulations.
> If winrate is over 60, increase the artificial komi (if black;
> decrease it if white) on the next move (*).
> If winrate is below 40, then
Hello,
I informed the German go scene that there is (some) progress
at KGS bots with dynamic komi. Based on this, a friend told me
that they would have an open afternoon for go beginners in the
middle of March - and they expect many newbies with strengths
between 17k and 30k. His question is if a
Hello Don,
several very good points by you!
> Does anyone have data based on several thousands games
> that attempts to measure the effect of dynamic komi?
> I would like to see results that are statistically meaningful.
I had eight handplayed (4 + 4) games on 19x19 with very
high han
Don Dailey wrote:
> Ingo Althofer:
>> I had eight handplayed (4 + 4) games on 19x19 with very
>> high handicap, where the version with dynamic komi (rule 42)
>> gained a 3-1 score and the version with static komi
>> performed 0-4 versus the same opponent. This is evidence
>> in the 95% region that
Hello Petr,
thx for the diagram.
A few question for clarification:
Does RAVE mean pachi-with-RAVE?
Does RAVE-linkomi mean pachi-with-RAVE-linkomi?
Did all three bots (GNUGO, RAVE, RAVE-linkomi) have the same (weak)
opponent in these experiments?
Who was this "common" opponent?
Was this on 19x19?
Hello Dave,
> I'm not a proper statistician, but I believe there's a
> crucial second step that's missing in your analysis of
> significance.
You are right in the sense that I was not precise enough
in my statement. Here comes a new attempt.
I have three players A, B, C.
A plays four times ag
Petr Baudis asked:
> I'm confused. What do you mean by "This is evidence in the 95%
> region"? 3/4 has confidence interval from 19% to 99%, 0/4 has confidence
> interval from 0% to 60%.
Assume for simplicity that both A and B have a 50 % winning chance
for each single game against C.
The cases w
Hi Petr,
thanks for making the announcement of the conference public.
Just one immediate question: The EGC is from July 25 to August 08.
Typically Computer Go activities are on Wednesday in the second week
(which is August 05).
According to your text, the conference is in the first week (July 29
Hello,
it is fantastic that mails from the list are distributed again - thanks to Petr
and to anybody else who helped with this.
One question: Is it somehow ensured that the mails will be properly archived?
At least they are not shown in the old archive list:
http://dvandva.org/pipermail/compu
Hi HIroshi,
thanks for giving the link.
One question: Is there a place where I can find sgf
of the(some test games against Fuego1.1 and GnuGo?
I want to understand the playing style of this CNN approach.
Ingo.
> Gesendet: Montag, 15. Dezember 2014 um 00:53 Uhr
> Von: "Hiroshi Yamashita"
> An:
Hi all,
it seems computer-go faces exciting times again.
What a wonderful world.
Switch to Kassandra mode: Several years ago (ca 2008)
Sylvain Gelly had his Ph.D. thesis and in it a section
on the quality of "random game generators". One of his
(experime
Hallo Robert,
> > In total: Changing the random move generator typically will
> > change the playing behaviour. However, it can not be well
> > predicted if this change will be to the better or to the
> > worse.
>
> Is this prediction theoretically impossible (why, under exactly which
> presuppo
Hi all,
back in 1998, Martin Mueller had beaten the traditional
(non-Monte-Carlo) Many Faces of Go despite of giving
28 handicap stones on the 19x19 board.
The first bot that is able to achieve the same (before
the end of year 2020), will get 1,000 Euro from my
pocket. For details see:
http://w
Sorry for the typo.
> back in 1998, Martin Mueller had beaten the traditional
> (non-Monte-Carlo) Many Faces of Go despite of giving
> 28 handicap stones on the 19x19 board.
Of course, Martin won at handicap 29.
Ingo.
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Dear Detlef,
> Todays bot tournament nicego19n (oakfoam) played with a CNN for move
> prediction.
congratulation to the performance of your bot, and thanks for
letting us know.
Will you let NiceGo play in the KGS computer room against humans
to see how it performs?
Thumbs pressed, Ingo.
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HI,
did someone think about the question for which other games
these Deep Convolutional NN may be helpful?
For instance, from the portfolio of turnbased server
littlegolem.net ?
Ingo.
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Hi Hiroshi,
thank you for keeping us informed!
In particular nice to see that there is fresh
computer go blood in Taiwan.
Ingo.
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 15. März 2015 um 08:39 Uhr
> Von: "Hiroshi Yamashita"
> An: computer-go@computer-go.org
> Betreff: Re: [Computer-go] UEC Cup
>
> UEC student won
Hi Darren,
wow, thanks for the interesting news.
On
http://arimaa.com/arimaa/challenge/2015/showGames.cgi
the games can be replayed.
bot_sharp won all three games of round 1 and also
all three games of round 2.
In round 3 the bot beat the "medium strength" human,
but lost to the weak one ("ches
econd or third best human player, after Matthew Brown, and possibly Hirohumi Takahashi, who disappeared after the 2012 championship.
1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arimaa#World_Championship
2. http://arimaa.com/arimaa/rating/whr/
On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 1:38 PM, "Ingo Althöfer" <3-hirn-
Sorry for wrong format in my posting.
Here it is in txt-style.
***
Hello,
I had just looked at the ratings of the players at the start of
the match:
2623 Browni...
2262 Harvetsnow
2181 ChessandGo
My term "weak" was meant only relative to th
Hi all,
I would like to see some bot-vs-bot games on 37x37 or 39x39.
Von: "Erik van der Werf"
> Personally I think 39x39 is too big. Also, there is a problem with GTP;
> the protocol does not support boards over 25x25.
Some years ago, Gian-Carlo Pascutto had provided a large-board version
Hi Ray,
an emergency proposal for the case that you will not find a
playing partner. If you have a torus with say 19x19 cells (and
no holes), you may set komi = 0.5 and play mirror go. So, the
artificial partner begins with an arbitrary first move x,
and then mirrors the moves of your bot
Hi Petr, hi all,
> (Just to clarify - the Computer Go tournament is on a Wednesday,
> which is a "free day" without official tournament game, so participants
> wouldn't miss that.
I will be in Liberec for two days:
on Wednesday for watching the bot tournament,
on Thursday for the "Go in Scie
Hello,
currently the Computer Olympiad 2015 and Computer Chess World
Championships are underway in Leiden (NL).
In Go the competitions on small boards are completed.
On 9x9 and 13x13 favorite Zen (Japan) took Gold.
Abakus (Paderborn, Germany) collected Silver on 9x9 and Bronze on 13x13.
13x13-Sil
Hello,
the Go competitions in the Computer Olympiad 2015 are over.
In the 19x19 competition seven bots started.
Winner became favorite Zen, ahead of Nomitan and Abakus.
http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/icga/tournament.php?id=290
Abakus and Nomitan each had 5 out of 7.
Abakus won the playoff. So t
ympiad
>
> Thanks Ingo.
>
> I noticed that someone (maybe Hideki?) entered the game results with
> some game records on the ICGA web site:
> http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/icga/event.php?id=45
>
> Thanks for this effort, and congratulations to Zen.
>
> Rémi
>
>
Hi,
"Igor Polyakov" :
> Even strong engines like Fuego will give wrong sequences in yose.
And even very strong programs - like CrazyStone - sometimes have
problem in evaluating smooth endgames correctly. I will present
an example of this (in a game against Stefan Kaitschick) in my talk
during th
Hello Josef, hello all,
"Josef Moudrik"
> ... As far as I know, combinatorial game theory is not used
> in modern Go engines, despite its nice theoretical properties.
Let me tell you an anecdote from CGT history: In Februar 2002, there
was a week-long conference on "Algorithmic Combinatorial G
Hello Xavier,
"Xavier Combelle" I wonder what was the algorithm for your first bot. Alpha Beta ?
good question, and more or less easy to answer.
My first Clobber bot was simply within the Zilliions-of-Games engine.
I only programmed the rules file for this simple game.
(That was also the reaso
Hi, sounds very interesting.
will teams with more than one human be allowed?
(I am thinking of two humans assisted by one bot.)
Cheers, Ingo.
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Juli 2015 um 01:22 Uhr
Von: "SR G"
An: computer-go@computer-go.org
Betreff: [Computer-go] OGS Alan Turing Main Title Tourn
Hi Rèmi,
gorget it - no serious work.
Ingo.
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 28. Juli 2015 um 15:38 Uhr
> Von: "Rémi Coulom"
> An: computer-go@computer-go.org
> Betreff: [Computer-go] Hex is solved ?
>
> Hi,
>
> I have just been told by a colleague that Edouard Rodrigues solved hex
> mathematically. I
Hi,
the exhibition game of CrazyManja was quite interesting. They played against
Guo Juan (5p). Wwe got 3 handicap stones, and lost convincingly.
I will present the sgf on Saturday.
Cheers, Ingo.
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 30. Juli 2015 um 13:11 Uhr
> Von: "Petr Baudis"
> An: computer-go@com
Hi,
> ... I have just been told by a colleague that Edouard Rodrigues
> solved hex mathematically. I was very surprised because I had
> never heard about it.
>
> The web site with the proof and optimal strategy is there:
> http://jeudhex.com/?page_id=17
as I wrote before the claim by Edouard R
Hello,
> Not sure how deep down the rabbit hole you want to go, but you might
> want to take a look at ...
perhaps also the following is interesting for you:
Visualisation of Candidate Moves
http://www.althofer.de/k-best-visualisations.html
Or you may like the following art work by Tanja E
Hello,
thanks for your feedback.
> Ingo: Tanja may be the kind of artist who could produce nice drawings
> of Hajin's mental images, perhaps based on my own crude sketches?
> It would be unpaid work though...
Sorry, but Tanja is a professional. She hs no particular inner relation
to the ga
Hello,
during the European Go Congress 2015 (two weeks ago in
Liberec) there was also a conference on "Science and Go".
The proceedings are online, in pdf:
https://www.sharelatex.com/github/repos/pasky/iggsc2015proc/builds/190ba3e8c196560223fda9855ed0d54312e8ca69/raw/output.pdf
including the paper
In the congress there was also an exhibition game
between team CrazyManja and professional Guo Juan (5p).
Guo gave three handicap stones and won convincingly.
Here is a photo, where Guo takes a photo of Manja.
http://www.dgob.de/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5753.0;attach=4231;image
On t
Hi Denis,
thanks for your contribution.
Please, let the bot participate in the September KGS
tournament.
Ingo.
> Gesendet: Freitag, 28. August 2015 um 23:00 Uhr
> Von: "Denis Blumstein"
> An: computer-go@computer-go.org
> Betreff: [Computer-go] [ANN] yet another go engine : michi-c release 1.4
Now I found a youtube video, showing the whole exhibition
game CrazyManja vs Guo Juan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrvadZJIveA
It includes also the analysis session, starting
at 2h:12min.
Ingo.
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. August 2015 um 17:22 Uhr
> Von: "Ingo Althöfer" <3
Can you please givr us sgf of the whole game.
Thanks in advance, Ingo.
Gesendet: Montag, 07. September 2015 um 09:19 Uhr
Von: "djhbrown ."
An: computer-go@computer-go.org
Betreff: [Computer-go] You be the Judge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKhmyZyRAoE&list=P
Hello,
I have problems to access the KGS server. My Firefox 40.0.3
(under Windows 8.1) is even not allowing me to visit the website
www.gokgs.com.
Argument: "Diffie-Hellman key is too weak"
Does someone here know which person at KGS would be the right
one to inform about this problem?
Thanks in
Hi,
some of you already know about my passion for intelligent
robot game play. One of the disciplines in mind is Frisbee Go
played by robots. (9x9-Frisbee Go played by humans already has a
decade-long history in Germany.)
Now a friend (Tanja Esser) provided an animation
for Robot Frisbee Go.
htt
Hello,
somehow there was no link here in the mailing list on
Nick Wedd's report on the Autumn slow tournament.
http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/S15.2/index.html
Congratulations to the surprise winner, Abakus,
and the co-winners!
Ingo.
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Hi Hideki,
> Starting 8:00 UTC will clash with CGF Open (19x19), which will start at
> 9:30 and will finish at 16:00 JST (7:00 UTC), October 4th.
> http://hp.vector.co.jp/authors/VA012620/cgf2015/cgf2015.html (in
> Japanese). We will also have a party with professinals in night.
> Could you cha
Hello,
after a collission of dates and some followup discussion we
have slightly modified the starting times for the rounds
of the codecentric Challenge 2015:
always 14:00 h CE(S)T
on Saturdays Oct 03, 17, 24, 31, and November 14.
Rounds 4 and 5 will by played only when no participant has reached
Hi,
today at 14:00 CEST (so 3 and half hour from now) the
codecentric Challenge starts between Franz Josef Dickhut (nick
FJ on KGS) and bot champ Zen will start, in KGS computer room.
Co-organizer Dr. Georg Snatzke has made interviews with the two
sides. Read here:
https://blog.codecentric.de/en/
Hallo,
die erste Runde ist gespielt.
Franz-Josef Dickhut has not at all played anti-bot go. This had its
price in the end: Zen won safely by 1.5 poins margin - and had
only two groups in the end: a fat moyo and one small but (Early) stable
group at a border.
sgf can be downloaded from
http://ww
2 Cents from a non-programmer;
>> 1. Limit on processor power?
From my computer chess background I can only recommend not to do
such a thing. The only consequence might be slower progress in computer
go in general. This would conflict with my longterm hopes:
* I want to see a bot win against a
Hi David,
thanks for your posting.
I just chased through the comments by An Younggli (8p from Korea, living in
Sidney).
Highly recommended, even for go beginners like me.
At one point Younggil asks if MC bots (like Zen) can have something
like a fighting spirit. I would say so, for instance whe
Hello,
the original message by David Ormerod from GoGameGuru was:
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Hi all,
I usually just lurk on this list, but for those of you who are interested in an
analysis of the first game, you can find one here:
https://gogameguru.com/go-commentary-zen-vs-fj-2nd-c
Hi Hiroshi,
thanks for the info, and congratulations to "your"
win on 19x19-board.
Ingo.
> Gesendet: Montag, 19. Oktober 2015 um 13:31 Uhr
> Von: "Hiroshi Yamashita"
> An: computer-go@computer-go.org
> Betreff: [Computer-go] CGF Open 2015 result
>
> CGF Open(Computer Go tournament in Japan) wa
Hello,
Franz-Josef Dickhut seems to follow his standard match strategy in
this year's codecentric Challenge. He had lost round 1 against Zen,
and on Saturday, October 17, won round 2.
Zen had problems with an unresolved semeai (and CrazyStone as an
analyst as well).
sgf (including chat) available
Hi Urban,
that is indeed a nice "small world" example.
Did you meet Dr. Georg Snatzke in the "rust meetup"? He is working for
codecentric and is the connection man to the go scene (Georg is 3-dan amateur).
For those who like to see M
Hi Dave,
> Developing a UCT robot for a new game, I have encountered a
> surprising and alarming behavior: the longer think time the
> robot is given, the worse the results.
Can you tell us the rules of the game?
Maybe they help to explain the phenomenon.
(Once, Cameron Prowne had strange MC b
> >Can you tell us the rules of the game? Maybe they help to explain the
> >phenomenon.
>
> The game is https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/149910/six-making
Thanks. It might be an interesting test-stone for
MCTS procedures.
> The most unusual thing I see in the UCT tree is that at all the mo
Hello,
the next Computer Olympiad has been dated.
It will take place in Leiden (NL), from June 27, 2016 to July 03, 2016.
I want to propose a new Go variant for 9x9 board:
"Frisbee Go simulation"
Normal go rules apply. However, when a player wants to place a stone on
"cell" (i,j), the stone will
Sorry, I had two typos in the rules for the
Frisbee Go Simulation.
The statement in mind is:
> However, when a player wants to place a stone on
> "cell" (i,j), the stone will land there only with probability (1- 4*eps).
> With probability eps each it will land on (i-1,j) or (i+1,j)
>
or (i,j
Hi David,
> I won't be able to be at the congress,
participants need one person representing the bot at the event.
This need not to be the main programmer.
> but I think it would be pretty easy to modify MCTS to play this game.
The crucial point will be playing strength.
> Do you plan to
nly after
4 (unintentional) passes but I see the problem when playing
on a "normal" server.
Ingo.
> > On Nov 11, 2015, at 11:39 AM, Ingo Althöfer <3-hirn-ver...@gmx.de> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > the next Computer Olympiad has been dated.
> >
Hmm.
> >> Would the game end after two unintentional passes?
>
> > Good point. In principle I would say so.
>
> That makes little sense to me.
> IMO, the principled rule is that two consecutive intentional passes
> end the game.
We should have some test games to see how long a game would be
"t
> Oh! You can have a continuous handicap control by giving the players
> different epsilons. :)
Right. You have "the same" in human-played Frisbee Go by having arbitrary
distances from which the players have to throw their frisbees. (You may
even change the distance during the game )
Ingo.
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