Re: [computer-go] What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-30 Thread Peter Drake
More hardware would help, of course. More data would be good. Particularly useful would be game records (for training) and sets of whole-board positions (9x9 and 19x19). Pattern libraries and opening libraries would be good, too, but incorporating them into existing programs may be difficul

Re: [computer-go] What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-30 Thread Don Dailey
There seems to be something special about 9x9 go for computers, it's very popular, perhaps because it's so much more approachable. However I personally think it's time to start looking at bigger board sizes seriously.If it were up to me, we would move to 11x11 on CGOS but I fear that would

Re: [computer-go] What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-30 Thread Jason House
Maybe we should approach wms about using KGS. Rank and pairings could be computed separately. Once upon a time, there was a page that computed 9x9 bot ratings Sent from my iPhone On Jul 30, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There seems to be something special about 9x

Re: [computer-go] What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-30 Thread Mark Boon
Here I'm fantasizing what you could do with a million bucks and Don can't host an extra CGOS server due to resource constraints. Do you need full access to a server or would a VPS do? I can't believe it would take more than a mediocre PC with a DSL connection to host a server like that. M

Re: [computer-go] What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-30 Thread John Fan
Between 9x9 server and 13x13 server, I would go for a 13x13 server if we can only keep one. On 9x9, there are gnugo, mogo and fuego to test against on home pcs. On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There seems to be something special about 9x9 go for computers,

Re: [computer-go] What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-30 Thread Don Dailey
On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 16:41 -0300, Mark Boon wrote: > Here I'm fantasizing what you could do with a million bucks and Don > can't host an extra CGOS server due to resource constraints. Do you > need full access to a server or would a VPS do? I can't believe it > would take more than a mediocr

Re: [computer-go] What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-30 Thread Don Dailey
By the way, I hosted it on my own machine at home for a few weeks when it first came up and it seems extremely fast then, but this is probably not something I can judge fairly. Home connections like this have low outgoing bandwidth compared to incoming bandwidth, but I doubt this is any kind o

[computer-go] Re: IMPORTANT: US Go Congress Computer Go Tournament

2008-07-30 Thread Peter Drake
There are a number of important updates regarding the Computer Go tournament next week at the US Go Congress in Portland, OR. First, timing: due to unforeseen circumstances, we won't be able to start the tournament (or get into the lab) until Monday, August 4. I plan to open the lab at 9:00

Re: [computer-go] What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-30 Thread Don Dailey
I like KGS and the maturity of it compared to CGOS. However, it's a different problem. KGS doesn't schedule games for you. I also tried to persuade WMS to rate 9x9 bot games, but he was unwilling to add more indexes and overhead to the database. And even if he agreed, sometimes I want to

Re: [computer-go] What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-30 Thread Łukasz Lew
It would be nice to have a workshop from time to time where we could share our skills. Lukasz On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 03:23, Darren Cook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have a strong interest in seeing a 19x19 computer go program that is > at least 3-dan by 2010. The recent jump in strength on the

Re: [computer-go] What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-30 Thread Peter Drake
Indeed! That's part of the motivation of organizing the tournament at the US Go Congress. Perhaps we (or the subset of us within a given country) could just pick an existing conference (something on machine learning or games) and all go there... Peter Drake http://www.lclark.edu/~drake/

Re: [computer-go] What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-30 Thread Nick Wedd
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter Drake <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Indeed! That's part of the motivation of organizing the tournament at the US Go Congress. and at the European Go Congress. An event in which each bot plays each other bot twice or less tells us little about their relative

Re: [computer-go] What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-30 Thread Jason House
Where there's a will, there's a way. It may not be hard to use auto match with the self-proclamed bot ranks as a first step approximation. All that's needed for that is to allow bots to be paired against each other. Ratings could be computed offline and used by a kgsGtp wrapper to update th

Re: [computer-go] What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-30 Thread Don Dailey
I think someone already has a website somewhere where they try to rank bots based on KGS games.If you can figure out how to make it schedule games fairly and consistently then go for it.I want to be able to put my bot on line, leave it alone for a day or more, and know it will play only o

[computer-go] Reports on UEC Cup and Japanese Computer-Games Workshop

2008-07-30 Thread Rémi Coulom
Nick Wedd wrote: My impression is that in Japan, there are conferences like that. Nick Your message reminds me that I had not told the list yet about those reports I wrote for the ICGA Journal: http://remi.coulom.free.fr/reports/ICGAJ-GPW.pdf http://remi.coulom.free.fr/reports/ICGAJ-UECCup.

[computer-go] re: What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-30 Thread Dave Dyer
Boardspace is a VPS, so CGOS is currently running as a subaccount of a VPS. Boardspace is going to be upgraded sometime in the next few months, which will allow me to add another 1GB to CGOS allocation. Or, if computer Go gets a rich sugar daddy, spending $400/yr for your own VPS would be an exc

Re: [computer-go] re: What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-30 Thread steve uurtamo
i'm sure that we have 20 people here willing to kick in $20/year. s. On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 6:47 PM, Dave Dyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Boardspace is a VPS, so CGOS is currently running as a subaccount of a > VPS. Boardspace is going to be upgraded sometime in the next few > months, which

[computer-go] re: What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-30 Thread Don Dailey
2 GB would make is much more comfortable. But I do like that it's hosted on boardspace as boardspace already specializes in games, so I am not particularly eager to move away from it. It's a gift that Dave Dyer allows us to use it and it's appreciated. Maybe some of us who use it could consi

RE: [computer-go] re: What Do You Need Most?

2008-07-30 Thread David Fotland
If Dave takes PayPal, you can add "Donate $1" and "Donate $5" buttons to the cgos web page. I would donate if it's easy. David > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:computer-go- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Dailey > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 7:47 PM > To: Da