Re: [computer-go] Elo and handicap matching

2007-12-06 Thread Lavergne Thomas
I suggest to make the bots play on kgs but on 9x9 versus human, so we could known approximatively the level of theses bots against human. We can also know the relative strenght of these bots against other bots on cgos in the same conditions (i.e. board size, timing, rules...) so we could estimate t

Re: [computer-go] Elo and handicap matching

2007-12-06 Thread Don Dailey
Lavergne Thomas wrote: > If some bot can be setup to play on kgs for enough time to get a solid > rank and then put on cgos to get an elo rating with the same > configuration we could find a formula to convert elo to kgs ranks. > For sure, this is not perfect but I think is good enought. > Her

Re: [computer-go] Elo and handicap matching

2007-12-06 Thread Lavergne Thomas
If some bot can be setup to play on kgs for enough time to get a solid rank and then put on cgos to get an elo rating with the same configuration we could find a formula to convert elo to kgs ranks. For sure, this is not perfect but I think is good enought. Tom On Tue, Dec 04, 2007 at 05:30:15PM

Re: [computer-go] Elo and handicap matching

2007-12-04 Thread Robert Jasiek
Alain Baeckeroot wrote: More subbtle attempts are summarized at: http://senseis.xmp.net/?HandicapForSmallerBoardSizes The previously suggested komi there were terrible. I have added and justified my suggestions: 8.5 for 13x13, 6.5 for 9x9. -- robert jasiek ___

Re: [computer-go] Elo and handicap matching

2007-12-04 Thread Alain Baeckeroot
Le mardi 4 décembre 2007, Christoph Birk a écrit : > On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Alain Baeckeroot wrote: > >> For 9x9 ELO works better. For 19x19 it's less clear cut.The > >> handicap system appears to be a good system at 19x19 and has the very > >> nice merit of allowing grossly mismatched players

Re: [computer-go] Elo and handicap matching

2007-12-04 Thread Alain Baeckeroot
Le mardi 4 décembre 2007, Don Dailey a écrit : > The only issue is that I don't know if GnuGo is representative of 19x19 > to 9x9 go strength. I am interested in knowing how a human 19x19 > scales down to 9x9 play. It's well known that programs scale up poorly. Ah yes, i forgot this :) My p

Re: [computer-go] Elo and handicap matching

2007-12-04 Thread Don Dailey
The only issue is that I don't know if GnuGo is representative of 19x19 to 9x9 go strength. I am interested in knowing how a human 19x19 scales down to 9x9 play. It's well known that programs scale up poorly. However, this data should still be quite useful. - Don Alain Baeckeroot wrote:

Re: [computer-go] Elo and handicap matching

2007-12-04 Thread Christoph Birk
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007, Alain Baeckeroot wrote: For 9x9 ELO works better. For 19x19 it's less clear cut.The handicap system appears to be a good system at 19x19 and has the very nice merit of allowing grossly mismatched players to compete. I think the two systems can be married by addin

Re: [computer-go] Elo and handicap matching

2007-12-04 Thread Alain Baeckeroot
Le mardi 4 décembre 2007, Don Dailey a écrit : > > > For 9x9 ELO works better. For 19x19 it's less clear cut.The > handicap system appears to be a good system at 19x19 and has the very > nice merit of allowing grossly mismatched players to compete. I > think the two systems can be ma