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>On 2018-03-05 21:12, Hideki Kato wrote:
>> DCNNs are not magic but just non-linear continuous function
>> approximators with finite freedom and we can provide up to
>> 10^8 samples (board positions) in practice.
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use PN directly in rollouts. This may make VN useless.
Go is still hard for both human and computers :).
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>> uurtamo .: > 1vhk7t...@mail.gmail.com>:
>>
>Its rating is more unreliable.
>Could you stop them, and run up to two or three bots which has no BayesElo?
>
>Thanks,
>Hiroshi Yamashita
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>On 2018/02/28 17:12, Hideki Kato wrote:
>> Welcome back Remi!
>>
>> On the 19x19 cgos, recently many LeelaZeros a
gainst other versions of
>itself. It has just won two games in a row against Crazy Stone.
>
>I hope the other strong engines will reconnect, too.
>
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algorithm to solve double ko. This is not so big problem on
19x19 but 9x9.
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>> That's not the point, Petri. 9x9 has almost no "silent"
>> or &q
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Hi,
CLeelaz9Test1 plays pass without clean-up dead stones.
This makes server mis-score and causes wrong result.
Please capture all dead stones before play pass.
Ref. "CGOS Rules of Play" section at
http://www.yss-aya.com/cgos/ .
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Is that the "normal" Zen version, or one that is
>>>specially tuned for handicap games?
>>
>> Not special.
>
>So, were the handicap games played at "normal" komi values
>(6,5 or 7,5 points) ?
No, but "standard" 0.5 pts. Zen supports very
en-no-Ma (except from Japan, Korea
or China).
http://www.wbaduk.com/
Register (free), download installer, and install the client
"WBaduk." Then run WBaduk (on desktop by default) and
choose Japanese server, although I didn't confirm.
Hope this helps,
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>
>Wow.
>
>> BTW, the games between Zen and professionals can be watched
>> any payed members of Nihonkiin.
>
>Thanks for that information.
>Does the server has the opportunity for English
>interface?
Hmmm, not now but I'll ask the manager later.
Hide
payed members of Nihonkiin.
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>Ingo.
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>PS. When will AlphaGo start giving handicaps against pro players?
In this year, I hope.
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>>>> Third, evaluating with a different rotation effectively forms an
>>>> ensemble that improves the estimate.
>>>
>>> C
t from the policy head training.
>This would let as "human knowledge" the mixing factor between rollout and
>value net evaluations. But there is anyway such a mixing factor in Zero
>training pipeline, in the loss function mixing policy and value heads.
>Regards,Patrick
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but how does that change anything for a
>tree search? Or is it because the monte carlo tree search relies on
>the policy network?
The author of AQ told me that majority-voting based on the
orientation (4 or 8) makes AQ stronger.
#I don't remeber the Elo number, sorry.
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Please read _through_ the paper sequentially.
#I don't have enough skill to describe the reason because
it's not a technical but language issue.
Hideki
>I don't understand which element makes you say that
>section 2 and 3 are all for a 20 block instance
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>With the falling interest in these events since the advent of AlphaGo, it
>is likely that this will be the last of the series of KGS bot tournaments.
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>evidence.
Yes, of course. Due to not enough info provided by Google.
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>Le 26/10/2017
à 07:51, Hideki Kato a écrit :
>> You can b
gt;
>Of what I understand same network architecture imply the same number of
>block
>
>Le 25/10/2017 à 17:58, Xavier Combelle a écrit :
>> I understand better
>>
>>
>> Le 25/10/2017 à 04:28, Hideki Kato a écrit :
>>> Are you thinking the 1s
ing.
>
>
>Le 24/10/2017 à 20:20, Hideki Kato a écrit :
>> David Silver told Master used 40 layers network in May.
>> According to new paper, Master used the same architecture
>> as Zero. So, Master used 20 blocks ResNet.
>>
>> The first instance of
fair comparison) Zero is weaker than
Master.
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>> Gesendet: Samstag, 01. Juli 2017 um 07:11 Uhr
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>> Betreff: [Computer-go] NNGS server for Go in Leiden ...
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Gian-Carlo Pascutto: :
>On 23-05-17 17:19, Hideki Kato wrote:
>> Gian-Carlo Pascutto: <0357614a-98b8-6949-723e-e1a849c75...@sjeng.org>:
>>
>>> Now, even the original AlphaGo pla
Alvaro Begue:
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>On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 4:51 AM, Hideki Kato wrote:
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>> (3) CNN cannot learn exclusive-or function due to the ReLU
>> activation function, instead of traditional sigmoid (tangent
>> hyperbolic). CNN is good at approximating continuous (analog)
>>
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>On 23-05-17 10:51, Hideki Kato wrote:
>> (2) The number of possible positions (input of the value net) in
>> real games is at least 10^30 (10^170 in theory). If the value
>> net can recognize all? L&Ds depend on very small difference of
>
>Synthesized by inference from the (much larger than mine) policy network?
Demis Hassabis said in a talk:
After the game with Sedol, the team used "adversarial learning" in
order to fill the holes in policy net (such as the Sedol's winning
move in the game 4).
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>On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 10:51 AM, Hideki Kato
>wrote:
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>> Agree.
>>
>> (1) To solve L&D, some search is necessary in practice. So, the
>> value net cannot solve some of them.
>> (2) The number of possible positions (input of the
rf :
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Gian-Carlo Pascutto
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 22-05-17 11:27, Erik van der Werf wrote:
>>>>>> > On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 10:08 AM, Gian-Carlo Pascu
start... or are about to.
>
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>On 22 May 2017 at 09:07, Hideki Kato wrote:
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>> Probably here.
>> http://events.google.com/alphago2017/
>> "Below, you can fi
Three hours earlier, DeepMind twitted:
>The Future of Go Summit begins tomorrow. Catch all #AlphaGo17
>matches live from 23-27 May at https://goo.gl/pVjexr
Check https://twitter.com/search?q=%23AlphaGo17 !
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>> There was a lot of media this year. Maybe because of "Fine Art"
>> (very strong program made by Tencent)
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>
>The 10th UEC will be held on this weekend. The final will be
>live broadcast on the internet by Go-remium (in Japanese; free
>but registration required). The live will start 3/19 2:30 PM
>JS
it would be repaired (it is still broken). Then I
>was overtaken by other commitments for a few days.
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>*https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1100
>> <https://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=1100>*
>>
>> Please register by emailing me at mapr...@gmail.com, with the words "KGS
>> Tournament Registration" in the email title.
>>
>> Nick
>>
ter node generation zen used before cnn for deeper nodes?
>
>I can not believe, that the policy network is so much stronger than the
>ones of all the others?!
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>* Will there be a qualifier tournament for bots?
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Chizu Kobayashi 6p is seeking automatic Go game recorders. Does
anyone know about that? An application for mobilephones is the best
but any system is appriciated.
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More Human vs Computer games at
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>thanks a lot
>
>
>Le 24/11/2016 à 12:31, Hideki Kato a écrit :
>> Ah, yes. Maybe he didn't push "resign".
Ah, yes. Maybe he didn't push "resign".
Hideki
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>Sorry in kgs, the game has no result in kgs, did it ended with pro
>resignation ?
>
>
>Le 23/11/2016 à 23:
update patches?
>
>On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Hideki Kato
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>> Thanks David.
>>
>> It's now.
>>
>> In the same afternoon, Zen vs Yonil Ha 6p was played on KGS as a part
>> of Neyagawa Igo Shogi Festival in Neyagawa city, Osaka, Japan
(also fast games).
Hideki
David Fotland: <06c901d245a8$d41405f0$7c3c11d0$@smart-games.com>:
>Congratulations to Zen for playing so well against a strong pro. It won't
>be long until anyone can get a pro strength go program that runs on their
>ordinary PC.
>
>Dav
>Hi all,
>
>the match was in German TV (ZDF) today, in an 8 second snipet.
>
>It included a scene from the press conference:
>http://www.dgob.de/yabbse/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6322.0;attach=5391;image
>
>I recognise Cho Chikun in the center and Hideki Kato, second
These games will have English commentary by Michael Redmond 9p and
Antti Tormanen 1p.
http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv281949598
http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv281949974
http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv281950196
Best,
Hideki
Hideki Kato: <58232219.6505%hideki_ka...@ybb.ne.jp>:
>Th
;games
>match between Zen and human pro hero Cho Chiukum with games to
>be played on November 19, 20, and 23.
>Unfortunately for me, the announcement was in Japanese language which
>I do not understand.
>
>For me (and likely for many in the Western world) it would be nice
&g
Those suggestions were told her by voice of a robot or showed up
as an ordered list of moves, ie, with no histgram of scores.
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>Hideki may feel free to correct me in any point he wants.
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I believe it was canceled due to the AlphaGo shock.
>FuzzIEEE 2016 July 25-29
>http://www.wcci2016.org/
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>> CGOS is better place for those lower programs, isn't it?
>
>Not really, the pool of opponents is smaller and contains no humans. It
>sort of depends on what the goal
ne the two suggestions. Have two divisions: upper
>division McMahon, with entrants required to have KGS ratings of 7k or
>better; lower division open. I would like to hear people's views on this -
>and any more suggestions they have.
>
>Nick
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n this year?
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>Cheeers, Ingo.
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atch them here:
>http://althofer.de/tilburg-2011-go.html
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>Ingo.
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C
e are two bots in the top-100
>of KGS: CrazyStone on rank 36 and Zen on rank 52 (both 7 dan).
>http://www.gokgs.com/top100.jsp
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>Ingo.
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>
>
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>> Gesendet: Montag, 21. März 2016 um 08:41 Uhr
>> Von: "Hideki Kato"
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executive
committee of UEC cup.
#Ohashi pro (6d) is looking into the screen with me.
Hideki
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gt;>> 1st Zen
>>>> 2nd darkforest
>>>> 3rd CrazyStone
>>>> 4th Aya
>>>>
>>>> Hiroshi Yamashita
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>serious indicators of what was going on.
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rovement is important to AlphaGo's playing
>strength (or its scaling), or merely a minor tweak?
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> If you have good ideas, good data and fast computers,
> you can do almost anythin
which means -1 (eg lost by b) games -> typical value -0.4
>>> and +1 games -> typical value +0.4 of the value network
>>>
>>> if I rescale -1 to +1 to 0 - 100% (eg winrate for b) than I get about
>>> 30% for games lost by b and 70% for games won by
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