Re: [computer-go] Re: computer-go Digest, Vol 43, Issue 8

2008-02-18 Thread compgo123
Maybe komi should be expressed in terms of percentage of the total number of positions. The komi of 7.5 for 9x9 looks the same with a komi of 7.5 for 19x19. But percentage wise, they are different. For a 1X1 board, the komi is 100% and for an infinitely large board, the komi is 0%. DL -Ori

[computer-go] komi for 13x13

2008-02-18 Thread Don Dailey
What should the komi be for 13x13 Go? - Don ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-go.org http://www.computer-go.org/mailman/listinfo/computer-go/

Re: [computer-go] Re: myCtest-10k-AMAF-x on CGOS

2008-02-18 Thread Christoph Birk
On Feb 15, 2008, at 3:29 AM, Tim Foden wrote: In your "pure MC program", do you use UCB1 to choose the next move to search at the root? If not, what algorithm are you using? I'm currently using UCB1 for my test in Fluke. No, it uses a random move even at the root node. myCtest does NOT crea

Re: [computer-go] Re: computer-go Digest, Vol 43, Issue 8

2008-02-18 Thread Don Dailey
The next plan is to move to 13x13 with Mogo. We have failed to find a worthy second program so we will start with only mogo playing.Here is what we could use: 1. A strong scalable program. 2. Ability to adjust level in terms of number of play-outs. 3. binaries that work on 32 or 64 li

Re: [computer-go] Re: computer-go Digest, Vol 43, Issue 8

2008-02-18 Thread Don Dailey
Michael Williams wrote: > But as was pointed out before, these high levels of MoGo are probably > still not pro level, right? I don't know how strong Mogo is in the grand scheme of things - but the experiments with komi indicate that 7.0 is too low and that 8.0 is a lower bound on what komi shoul

Re: [computer-go] Re: computer-go Digest, Vol 43, Issue 8

2008-02-18 Thread dhillismail
>? -Original Message- >? From: Don Dailey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >? To: computer-go >? Sent: Mon, 18 Feb 2008 1:45 pm >? Subject: Re: [computer-go] Re: computer-go Digest, Vol 43, Issue 8 > ...I have seen widely held beliefs be proven wrong before > (the earth is flat is one example.)

Re: [computer-go] Re: computer-go Digest, Vol 43, Issue 8

2008-02-18 Thread Alain Baeckeroot
Le lundi 18 février 2008, Michael Williams a écrit : > But as was pointed out before, these high levels of MoGo are probably still > not pro level, right? > On 9x9 Big_slow_Mogo is near pro level, maybe more. 6 monthes ago or so it was able to regurlarly beat pro without komi on 9x9. Alain ___

Re: [computer-go] Re: computer-go Digest, Vol 43, Issue 8

2008-02-18 Thread Michael Williams
But as was pointed out before, these high levels of MoGo are probably still not pro level, right? Don Dailey wrote: Hi David, Any opinion either of us have on this is only speculation. Nevertheless, in any kind of science there tends to be unproven conjectures that are widely believed to

Re: [computer-go] Re: computer-go Digest, Vol 43, Issue 8

2008-02-18 Thread Don Dailey
Hi David, Any opinion either of us have on this is only speculation. Nevertheless, in any kind of science there tends to be unproven conjectures that are widely believed to be true even though nobody has found a rigorous proof. Some of those will turn out to surprise everybody. I have se

Re: [computer-go] Re: computer-go Digest, Vol 43, Issue 8

2008-02-18 Thread David Schneider-Joseph
Don, Interesting thoughts and links. I read through them all. :) Some points: I wasn't expressing an opinion as to the degree of difference between "God's komi" and "Man's komi". 2.5 seems perfectly reasonable (at least with current levels of skill). As far as it being widely believed th

Re: [computer-go] New UCT-RAVE formula (was Re: computer-go Digest, Vol 43, Issue 8)

2008-02-18 Thread Erik van der Werf
Hi David, On Sat, Feb 16, 2008 at 7:07 PM, David Silver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, but why add upper confidence bounds to the rave values at all? If > they really go down that fast, does it make much of a difference? > > According to the recent experiments in MoGo, you are right :-) Howeve