Re: [computer-go] MoGo pondering

2007-11-05 Thread Olivier Teytaud
Could Sylvain (or anyone who knows) talk about MoGo's pondering strategy? Does it just build the tree as usual or does it speculate on some number of moves and hope that the opponent choses one of those? MoGo just builds the tree as usual. Olivier ___

[computer-go] evalgo help

2007-11-05 Thread Peter Christopher
Hi, I'm trying to use evalgo. apparently the initial database is not being properly created. Any tips? I installed the latest sqlite3 & tclkit. So I did: %./tclkit-linux-x86 evalgo.kit gotest2.db %sqlite3 gotest2.db SQLite version 3.2.8 Enter ".help" for instructions sqlite> .database Error:

[computer-go] MoGo pondering

2007-11-05 Thread Chris Fant
Could Sylvain (or anyone who knows) talk about MoGo's pondering strategy? Does it just build the tree as usual or does it speculate on some number of moves and hope that the opponent choses one of those? ___ computer-go mailing list computer-go@computer-

Re: [computer-go] use for Monte Carlo on 19X19?

2007-11-05 Thread forrestc
Jason House said: > What about seki situations? > > On Nov 5, 2007 1:41 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> It takes some tricky analysis to work out the Japanese score, due to >> uncertainty about life/death; likewise it's not easy for a program to >> recognize when moving is no longer to its adva

Re: [computer-go] use for Monte Carlo on 19X19?

2007-11-05 Thread Benjamin Teuber
For scoring, you could use integral instead of boolean outcomes again, which would solve some of the problems you descibed... This might be a great idea for programs that must deal with Japanese scoring, but for our reseach the best thing is just to stick to Chinese rules :) On 11/5/07, Don Dailey

Re: [computer-go] FW: Microsoft Research Lectures: Akihiro Kishimoto, Future University-Hakodate

2007-11-05 Thread Benjamin Teuber
Just found the corresponding paper at http://www.cs.ualberta.ca/~mmueller/ps/aaai05-tsumego.pdf and some Japanese slides (maybe someone could translate parts different from the paper?) at http://www.fun.ac.jp/~kishi/ppt_file/invited_talk_UT.ppt The algorithm claims to be more efficient than alpha-

Re: [computer-go] Rapid action value estimation

2007-11-05 Thread Benjamin Teuber
Yeah, this is one of the many pitfalls when trying to implement this stuff.. A clean reference implementation of all important algorithms in an easy-to-read language like e.g. python or ruby (don't think you guys want to read my Lisp-stuff *gg*) would really be neat (and damned slow, but that's ano

Re: [computer-go] Rapid action value estimation

2007-11-05 Thread Jason House
On Nov 3, 2007 5:25 PM, Benjamin Teuber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 11/3/07, Jason House <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > On Fri, 2007-11-02 at 22:28 +0100, Benjamin Teuber wrote: > > > I don't think there's something different at different depths in the > > > tree.. > > > To update RA

Re: [computer-go] use for Monte Carlo on 19X19?

2007-11-05 Thread Don Dailey
It would be tricky indeed to implement Japanese scoring with Monte Carlo programs. Monte Carlo programs are very strong and thus they are not naive about what the situation is.But I view them as "relativistic players" - whether a group is dead or alive depends on your point of view! A g

Re: [computer-go] Gnugo development and MC

2007-11-05 Thread alain Baeckeroot
Le lundi 5 novembre 2007, Don Dailey a écrit : > I noticed there are various Gnugo with Monte Carlo enhancements. Will > any of these be integrated into the the Gnugo releases? It seems like a > logical move. As far as i know MonteGNU is more or less: http://trac.gnugo.org/gnugo/ticket/150 and c

Re: [computer-go] use for Monte Carlo on 19X19?

2007-11-05 Thread Jason House
What about seki situations? On Nov 5, 2007 1:41 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It takes some tricky analysis to work out the Japanese score, due to > uncertainty about life/death; likewise it's not easy for a program to > recognize when moving is no longer to its advantage. > > How about bringi

Re: [computer-go] use for Monte Carlo on 19X19?

2007-11-05 Thread forrestc
It takes some tricky analysis to work out the Japanese score, due to uncertainty about life/death; likewise it's not easy for a program to recognize when moving is no longer to its advantage. How about bringing in a Monte Carlo routine after both players have passed?--as a scoring referree, set to

Re: [computer-go] FW: Microsoft Research Lectures: Akihiro Kishimoto, Future University-Hakodate

2007-11-05 Thread Lars Nilsson
On 11/5/07, Adrian Petrescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As a public lectures, do these things get recorded and posted online > anywhere, Google Techtalk-style? This looks like a really interesting talk, > but I live nowhere near where this is being held. Is there any way at all? Perhaps it'll be

Re: [computer-go] FW: Microsoft Research Lectures: Akihiro Kishimoto, Future University-Hakodate

2007-11-05 Thread Adrian Petrescu
As a public lectures, do these things get recorded and posted online anywhere, Google Techtalk-style? This looks like a really interesting talk, but I live nowhere near where this is being held. Is there any way at all? Thanks for bringing this to our attention at any rate :) On 11/5/07, Jack <[E

[computer-go] FW: Microsoft Research Lectures: Akihiro Kishimoto, Future University-Hakodate

2007-11-05 Thread Jack
This may be of interest JL -Original Message- From: Sarah Nightingale (Interaction Recruitment PLC) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 November 2007 17:25 To: Jack Lang Subject: Microsoft Research Lectures: Akihiro Kishimoto, Future University-Hakodate MICROSOFT RESEARCH LECTURE This is

Re: [computer-go] Connecting a gtp engine to CGOS 19x19 using Windows OS

2007-11-05 Thread Don Dailey
Thanks Jacques, I updated the page with a link to this post as well as a few other changes to make things a bit more clear. - Don Jacques Basaldúa wrote: > Here are the steps: > --- > > > 1. Get TCL. There are many "flavors" with GUI, debugger etc. > The simplest, when you jus

Re: [computer-go] Gnugo development release 3.7.11

2007-11-05 Thread Don Dailey
I noticed there are various Gnugo with Monte Carlo enhancements. Will any of these be integrated into the the Gnugo releases? It seems like a logical move. - Don Francois Grieu wrote: > Gnugo development release 3.7.11 is out, see > http://www.gnu.org/software/gnugo/devel.html > > From the

[computer-go] Gnugo development release 3.7.11

2007-11-05 Thread Francois Grieu
Gnugo development release 3.7.11 is out, see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnugo/devel.html From the changelog: 3.7.11 released November 1, 2007 - gtp-commands.texi is not built automatically - updates texinfo.tex - minor doc revision - revised configure.in, aclocal.m4 and *Makefile.in for recent a

[computer-go] Slow, and fast, KGS bot tournaments

2007-11-05 Thread Nick Wedd
SLOW Last December I held a "slow" bot tournament on full boards, see http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/past/s1/index.html The time limits were 12 hours each sudden death, so each game took a day and the five-round tournament ran from Monday through Friday (UTC). I intend to hold such an event agai

[computer-go] Connecting a gtp engine to CGOS 19x19 using Windows OS

2007-11-05 Thread Jacques Basaldúa
Here are the steps: --- 1. Get TCL. There are many "flavors" with GUI, debugger etc. The simplest, when you just need to run a Tk application is something like: http://www.equi4.com/pub/tk/tclkit-win32.upx.exe This .exe is all you need, about 1M and without any annoyanc

Re: [computer-go] greenpeep

2007-11-05 Thread Yamato
Christopher Rosin wrote: >greenpeep's patterns include the local 3x3 neighborhood. In addition, >for each of the four nearest neighbors, it includes liberty count info if >that neighbor is occupied, or otherwise info about 2-away point just >beyond that neighbor if the neighbor itself is empty. L

Re: [computer-go] greenpeep

2007-11-05 Thread Christopher Rosin
On 11/4/07, Yamato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -From "Re: So many MoGo run on cgos 9x9": > >greenpeep also uses patterns derived from 2 UCT self-play games. > >These are simple local patterns with scores that (roughly) indicate > >the probability that the move at the center of the pattern wa