RE: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-22 Thread Jagane Sundar
@hadoop.apache.org Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote Hi Jagane, My response to your concerns is that I hope the PMC will have enough wisdom not to pass votes for a confusing number of releases -- if only to avoid the kind of fragmentation you point out could

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-22 Thread Matt Foley
Hi Jagane, My response to your concerns is that I hope the PMC will have enough wisdom not to pass votes for a confusing number of releases -- if only to avoid the kind of fragmentation you point out could happen. To date, however, this does not seem to have been a major problem in our community.

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-22 Thread Matt Foley
Hi Konstantin, The amendment I've proposed actually leaves the Release Plan in place. In fact, where one could say the current bylaws don't require a Release Plan for every release, this amendment makes clear that it does. It just doesn't have to be voted on. I would think that a controversial

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-22 Thread Konstantin Shvachko
Couldn't reply yesterday. I will try to argue this is a useful action and that keeping it in Bylaws does not change regular release process. - Bylaws do not require to vote on every release plan. If nobody complains then it is a routine process of building a RC and voting on it. - It is useful to

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-22 Thread Arpit Agarwal
+1 (non-binding) On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > +1 (non-binding) > > On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Chris Nauroth > wrote: > > +1 (non-binding) > > > > Chris Nauroth > > Hortonworks > > http://hortonworks.com/ > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Tom

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-22 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
+1 (non-binding) On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Chris Nauroth wrote: > +1 (non-binding) > > Chris Nauroth > Hortonworks > http://hortonworks.com/ > > > > On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Tom White wrote: > >> +1 >> >> Cheers, >> Tom >> >> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Matt Foley wrote: >

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-22 Thread Chris Nauroth
+1 (non-binding) Chris Nauroth Hortonworks http://hortonworks.com/ On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Tom White wrote: > +1 > > Cheers, > Tom > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Matt Foley wrote: > > Hi all, > > This has been a side topic in several email threads recently. Currently > we >

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-22 Thread Tom White
+1 Cheers, Tom On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 10:10 PM, Matt Foley wrote: > Hi all, > This has been a side topic in several email threads recently. Currently we > have an ambiguity. We have a tradition in the dev community that any > committer can create a branch, and propose release candidates from

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-22 Thread Ravi Sharma
+1 On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 7:37 PM, Jonathan Eagles wrote: > +1 > > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Matt Foley wrote: > > > Hi all, > > This has been a side topic in several email threads recently. Currently > we > > have an ambiguity. We have a tradition in the dev community that any > >

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-22 Thread Jonathan Eagles
+1 On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:10 PM, Matt Foley wrote: > Hi all, > This has been a side topic in several email threads recently. Currently we > have an ambiguity. We have a tradition in the dev community that any > committer can create a branch, and propose release candidates from it. Yet > t

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-22 Thread Steve Loughran
+1 (committer vote; not sure if it is binding on this or not)

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-22 Thread Steve Loughran
On 21 May 2013 23:47, Jagane Sundar wrote: > I see one significant benefit to having Release Plan votes: Fewer releases > with more members of the community working on any given release. > In turn, fewer Hadoop releases implies less confusion for end users > attempting to download and use an Apac

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-21 Thread Matt Foley
Hi Jagane, since you did not explicitly cast a -1 or other numerical vote, please if you wish go ahead and cast a vote in the VOTE thread. Best regards, --Matt On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 3:47 PM, Jagane Sundar wrote: > I see one significant benefit to having Release Plan votes: Fewer releases > wi

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-21 Thread Matt Foley
Ok, if no one complains I will phrase the vote to include +1's explicitly cast in the discussion thread. --Matt On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J) < chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote: > Why repeat just tally new ones? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 21, 2013, at 6:58

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-21 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (398J)
Why repeat just tally new ones? Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2013, at 6:58 PM, "Matt Foley" wrote: > 13/14 +1's. I think that constitutes consensus. Moving this to a VOTE > thread. Please repeat your +1s :-) > Cheers, > --Matt > > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mahadev Konar wrote: >

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-21 Thread Matt Foley
13/14 +1's. I think that constitutes consensus. Moving this to a VOTE thread. Please repeat your +1s :-) Cheers, --Matt On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mahadev Konar wrote: > +1. > > thanks > mahadev > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Karthik Kambatla > wrote: > > +1 (non-binding) > > > >

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-21 Thread Mahadev Konar
+1. thanks mahadev On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Karthik Kambatla wrote: > +1 (non-binding) > > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Jitendra Pandey > wrote: > >> +1 >> >> >> On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Eli Collins wrote: >> >> > +1 thanks Matt. >> > >> > >> > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 2:1

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-21 Thread Karthik Kambatla
+1 (non-binding) On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Jitendra Pandey wrote: > +1 > > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Eli Collins wrote: > > > +1 thanks Matt. > > > > > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Matt Foley wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > This has been a side topic in several email thre

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-21 Thread Jitendra Pandey
+1 On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Eli Collins wrote: > +1 thanks Matt. > > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Matt Foley wrote: > > > Hi all, > > This has been a side topic in several email threads recently. Currently > we > > have an ambiguity. We have a tradition in the dev community th

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-21 Thread Sandy Ryza
+1 (non-binding) On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Eli Collins wrote: > +1 thanks Matt. > > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Matt Foley wrote: > > > Hi all, > > This has been a side topic in several email threads recently. Currently > we > > have an ambiguity. We have a tradition in the de

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-21 Thread Eli Collins
+1 thanks Matt. On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Matt Foley wrote: > Hi all, > This has been a side topic in several email threads recently. Currently we > have an ambiguity. We have a tradition in the dev community that any > committer can create a branch, and propose release candidates fro

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-21 Thread Arun C Murthy
+1, thanks for taking the initiative on this Matt. On May 21, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Matt Foley wrote: > Hi all, > This has been a side topic in several email threads recently. Currently we > have an ambiguity. We have a tradition in the dev community that any > committer can create a branch, and pr

RE: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-21 Thread Jagane Sundar
I see one significant benefit to having Release Plan votes: Fewer releases with more members of the community working on any given release. In turn, fewer Hadoop releases implies less confusion for end users attempting to download and use an Apache Hadoop release. If there are a dozen different

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-21 Thread Arpit Gupta
+1 -- Arpit Gupta Hortonworks Inc. http://hortonworks.com/ On May 21, 2013, at 2:10 PM, Matt Foley wrote: > Hi all, > This has been a side topic in several email threads recently. Currently we > have an ambiguity. We have a tradition in the dev community that any > committer can create a bran

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-21 Thread Giridharan Kesavan
+1 -Giri On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Matt Foley wrote: > Hi all, > This has been a side topic in several email threads recently. Currently we > have an ambiguity. We have a tradition in the dev community that any > committer can create a branch, and propose release candidates from it.

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-21 Thread Alejandro Abdelnur
+1 On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Suresh Srinivas wrote: > +1 > > > On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Matt Foley wrote: > > > Hi all, > > This has been a side topic in several email threads recently. Currently > we > > have an ambiguity. We have a tradition in the dev community that any > >

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-21 Thread Suresh Srinivas
+1 On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Matt Foley wrote: > Hi all, > This has been a side topic in several email threads recently. Currently we > have an ambiguity. We have a tradition in the dev community that any > committer can create a branch, and propose release candidates from it. Yet > t

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-21 Thread Aaron T. Myers
+1 I've always found the Release Plan votes a bit bizarre, and the fact that we've gone through many releases that did not have a corresponding Release Plan vote suggest to me that we should just scrap them. -- Aaron T. Myers Software Engineer, Cloudera On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 5:37 PM, Chris D

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-21 Thread Chris Douglas
+1 Thanks for taking care of this, Matt. -C On Tue, May 21, 2013 at 2:10 PM, Matt Foley wrote: > Hi all, > This has been a side topic in several email threads recently. Currently we > have an ambiguity. We have a tradition in the dev community that any > committer can create a branch, and prop

Re: [PROPOSAL] change in bylaws to remove Release Plan vote

2013-05-21 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (398J)
+1million I completely agree with Chris D's separate email too about not vote'ing about intentions, and voting on actual artifacts. The fact of the matter at the ASF is that any PMC member; heck any contributor can roll a release candidate. If that candidate receives at least 3 PMC member +1s (to