Hi Bill
I bought one of the adaptors like the one Joe pointed out on eBay. The
nearest “exchange” location is hundreds of km from here over an international
border and Persistence has no propane locker. I contacted our local Gas
company and they have a testing location where they are able to
Cars use the same adapter fitting as the eBay thing – that is why I bought it.
$70-$100 at a marina vs. $2 at the car CNG station
Joe
Coquina
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I have a CNG stove which came with my boat (1985 C&C 37): it has the same CNG
cylinder being discussed: my problem is that in a recent insurance survey
(June 2017), the surveyor made it a point to state that the cylinder must be
stored in a separate locker:
*7.5 As per ABYC A-22, secure th
CNG cylinders do not have to be in a separate locker if the total installed
capacity of the tanks is less than 100 cubic feet.
https://law.resource.org/pub/us/cfr/ibr/001/abyc.A-22.1993.pdf
Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
C&C36
bushmark4--- via CnC-List wrote:
I have a CNG stove which came
Steve, thank you for the info; , not having any experience with CNG, how do I
tell if my tank is less than 100 cubic feet?
Richard
s/v/Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596
Richard N. Bush
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255
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There should be some sort of marking on the tank, but consider that the vast
majority of SCUBA tanks are around 80 cubic feet. If the tank is around that
size, and it probably is, then it is likely ok. Worth checking anyway.
Steve Thomas
bushmark4--- via CnC-List wrote:
Steve, thank y
100 cubic feet is a BIG tank. I am pretty sure my tank would be a 60 as a scuba
tank. I am 99% sure it is smaller than my 80 scuba tank.
Joe
Coquina
BTW - ABYC and Federal Regulations <>. Plenty of ABYC stuff is not required by
any law.
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Thank
Steve and Joe: that's the best news I've heard all year...(ha,ha) so, do I
send this information to the surveyor, and request an amendment to the survey
recommendations...or go directly to my insurance company? Thanks again
Richard
s/v/Bushmark4; 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596
Richar
Here is a simple calculator. https://www.mathopenref.com/cylindervolume.html
Mike
PERSUASION
C&C 37 K/CB
Long Sault
> On Jan 2, 2018, at 12:39 PM, bushmark4--- via CnC-List
> wrote:
>
> Steve and Joe: that's the best news I've heard all year...(ha,ha) so, do I
> send this information to the
Airplanes mostly are held to the standard in place when they were *built*. My
last surveyor wanted all kinds of things done to comply with rules that did not
exist in 1973 and I declined most of them on that basis. The insurance was OK
with that.
Joe Della Barba
Coquina
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Not that simple.
You also need to know the compressed gas pressure, and apply the Charles and
Boyle ideal gas laws to figure out an approximation. The rated volumes are for
the amount of gas the cylinder contains at the nominal fill pressure, when
expanded to standard temperature and pressure.
My fill pressure for CNG is lower than my scuba tanks, so I am 100% sure a tank
that would physically be a 60 cubic foot scuba tank is not holding more than 60
cubic feet of gas. You can figure it out for sure here:
http://www.divebuddy.com/calculator/tankvolume.aspx
Btw - with 2$ refills, I fel
Ok Guys,
I searched the web and the list archives and I can't find any guidance on
mast coins. Can someone give me an idea of how to ensure poseidon's luck
is bestowed upon me?
If it makes any difference it would appear that no coin was placed under
the mast beforehand and poor luck has no befal
Since copper corrodes aluminum, don’t go cheap. Suggest a silver dollar ;)
Joe
Coquina
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Subject: Stus-List Coin under the mast
Ok G
Face up or down. 😋
Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Coin under the mast
Ok Guys,
I've had the mast pulled for a complete refit and to the best of my ability
to observe, it appears that the step has never been removed. It looks
terrible and horribly corroded. It is aluminum and I'm not sure that the
30 years of corrosion has necessarily compromised the beam but since
Use silver!? Why not just go with gold! That will never corrode! Haha!
Some of the limited internet wisdom was to use a coin with a certain date,
nationality, metallurgy, or monetary value. But I couldn't exactly find
any firm guidance.
Josh
On Jan 2, 2018 2:46 PM, "Della Barba, Joe via CnC-
Agreed — when I pulled the mast for a rewire a couple of years ago, I went on
eBay and found a Canadian silver dollar the same year as my boat and stuck that
down on the step with a dab of silicone.
— Fred
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield,
Hi Josh,
I have no experience with this whatsoever, but please be so kind as to keep me
abreast of your work, as I have the same boat.
In hindsight, is there a way to determine the condition of the step without
pulling the mast?
Thanks!
Bruce Whitmore
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcgl
Ok Guys,
Since I have the mast out, this provides the rare opportunity to access ALL
of the keel bolts. I've measured each of the bolt and nut diameters and
checked the archives for torque specs. I intend to buy a toque multiplier
and the appropriate sized sockets. I think I can do it for less t
Bruce,
The step can be pretty well seen from all angles with the table and floor
boards removed. I don't think that there is much to fear in regards to is
"rotting" away. The aluminum and fiberglass stringers are fairly robust
and resilient to the marine environment. I'm kinda just looking to p
Fred, heads up or heads down?
On Jan 2, 2018 2:55 PM, "Frederick G Street via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Agreed — when I pulled the mast for a rewire a couple of years ago, I went
> on eBay and found a Canadian silver dollar the same year as my boat and
> stuck that down on the s
And Canadian because that's where the boat was built or because of some
other affiliation?
On Jan 2, 2018 3:23 PM, "Josh Muckley" wrote:
> Fred, heads up or heads down?
>
> On Jan 2, 2018 2:55 PM, "Frederick G Street via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Agreed — when I pulled the
Hi Josh,
I think this is what you are referring to? See the linked photo.
My inner liner was cut, just a little bit, to allow removal of the step.
This photo is from 2011, before I repainted the mast step:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/kIhvCzgNuoQWex4W2
Ken H.
On 2 January 2018 at 15:48, Josh Muck
Heads up, of course. Otherwise the boat would want to flip over… at least in
this hemisphere… :^)
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^(
> On Jan 2, 2018, at 2:23 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List
> wrote:
>
> Fred, heads up or heads
Canadian because C&C was a Canadian manufacturer. Although my boat was built
in Rhode Island. I guess I’m doomed.
Well, the dollar had a sailboat on it, anyway.
Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^(
> On Jan 2, 2018, at 2:24 PM, Jos
Hi Josh,
I've continued to use 600 lbs for the 1.5" bolts as I've re-torqued them
occasionally. I've used a 2-1/4" socket for those but the 2-3/16" you
listed may be a better fit, I'm not sure.
I think bolt #7 is actually a 1-13/16" nut, 1-1/8" stud, torqued to 400
lbs. Perhaps you should doubl
The torques listed are for clean, dry threads. If you lubricate the
threads, reduce the torque by 10%.
1983 C&C 35-3, #028
"Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan
On 1/2/2018 3:18 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
Ok Guys,
Since I have the mast out, this provides the rare opportunity to
access ALL of
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Th
any difference it would appear that no coin was placed under
> the mast beforehand and poor luck has no befallen me, my passengers, or the
> boat.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, M
Correct, clean and dry threads. Galling of the threads affects the values
as well.
An example, extremely critical torque values (also clean and dry) extend to
engine head bolts and if studs and nuts are used.
Lube of any kind could cause values to change either a little or a lot.
Bill Dakin
S/V T
Fred,
Since the Landfall was manufactured in the USA, maybe you should have used a
1979 Susan B. Anthony Dollar. On another note, I wonder how one would put
a Bitcoin under the mast.
-
Paul E.
1981 C&C 38 Landfall
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL
http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
You can try engraving a QR code (;-)
Marek
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Fred,
On another note, I wonder how one would p
https://www.ebay.com/itm/LIVERPOOL-Sailing-Ship-HALF-PENNY-Condor-1793-Coin/253336433319?hash=item3afc0732a7:g:8vwAAOSwSQFaRtxo
Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
On Tue, Jan 2, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> Ok Guys,
>
> I searched the web an
A Canadian dime is perfect. What could be more fitting than the schooner
bluenose!
Dave
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 2, 2018, at 2:35 PM, Josh Muckley wrote:
>
> Ok Guys,
>
> I searched the web and the list archives and I can't find any guidance on
> mast coins. Can someone give me an i
Last season, I ended up having my boatyard doing this. I have no idea of the
last time this was done but it was before 2010. The boatyard used Ken Heaton’s
torque values. In order to loosen some of the nuts, an impact tool was
required. - Ron
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Have a UK threepenny bit under my mast.
Sitting on the keel bolt, and clearcoated.
Portcullis up.
The same year as I was born.
I thought the coin was to pay the ferryman. Well that's what I'm saving mine
for anyway.
John
LF38 #234
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Sent: January-0
John,
I'm interested in the reason behind your selection of the UK origin and the
threepenny bit denomination.
Josh
On Jan 2, 2018 7:08 PM, "john sandford via CnC-List"
wrote:
Have a UK threepenny bit under my mast.
Sitting on the keel bolt, and clearcoated.
Portcullis up.
The same year a
The specification sheet from the C&C site says a 1" bolt, 1 1/2" bolt is 350
foot pounds
John on EnterpriseC&C 33 MK II
On Tuesday, January 2, 2018, 6:30:46 PM EST, Ron Ricci via CnC-List
wrote:
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Ok so now I'm confused and concerned. Neil Schiller got me thinking about
the science and standardization of the torque specs. Wet, dry, tension,
yield strength... So I did some investigating. I expected that the specs
on the c&c photo album would loosely correlate to those in a standard
enginee
The ceremonial practice is believed to originate from ancient Rome. One theory
is that, due to the dangers of early sea travel, the coins were placed under
the mast so the crew would be able to cross to the afterlife if the ship were
sunk.
I like the gatekeeper reference!
Cheers, J-G
Callisto
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