DDrake
73 JH
C&C 26
On 2013-09-08, at 8:33 PM, "Mike" wrote:
> Thanks for your input.. I do like the sailor of the year.
> Mike
>
> From: Dennis C.
> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 2:12 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List scoring
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I have to say it really is the boat your racing. We all get the boat certified
by PHRF not the crew. Are club allows for two races to be sailed by guest
skippers every season. By sailing the same boat over a season it helps make up
for the different advantages and disadvantage each boat has a
..@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Della Barba,
Joe
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 12:10 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List scoring
Disagree.
We are YACHT racing, not SKIPPER racing. Once you let one guy slide on the
rules, you have to let the next guy do it too. If I had two boat
doing this for fun, right?
> Ron
> Wild Cheri
> C&C 30
> STL
>
>
>
> From: Mike
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 7:36 AM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List scoring
>
> I should add both boats have solid PHRF numbers. So it was not
the guy a break.
Ron
Wild Cheri
From: "Della Barba, Joe"
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 11:09 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List scoring
Disagree.
We are YACHT racing, not SKIPPER racing. Once you let one guy slide on
ning here as I understand it. He's just moving on to
>> another boat.
>> This is club racing; we get too legalistic and then wonder why people don't
>> want to play. Keep it fun and give the guy a break.
>> Ron
>> Wild Cheri
>>
>>
>>
n't
> want to play. Keep it fun and give the guy a break.
> Ron
> Wild Cheri
>
>
> From: "Della Barba, Joe"
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com"
> Sent: Monday, September 9, 2013 11:09 AM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List scoring
>
> Disagree.
>
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ronald B.
Frerker
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:38 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List scoring
It didn't sound like this guy was changing for conditions, just buying a
different boat. This isn't the AC; keep
ild Cheri
C&C 30
STL
From: Gary Nylander
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List scoring
We score the boat, not the skipper. We have folks who use
multiple boats. I would love to be able to jump boat
; Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 11:38 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List scoring
>
> It didn't sound like this guy was changing for conditions, just buying a
> different boat. This isn't the AC; keep it fun and give the guy a break.
> He&#x
Joe
Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 12:10 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List scoring
Disagree.
We are YACHT racing, not SKIPPER racing. Once you let one guy slide on the
rules, you have to let the next guy do it too. If I had two boats and I saw
one person get by with multi
right?
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30
STL
From: Mike
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List scoring
I should add both boats have solid PHRF numbers. So it was not the
skipper getting a PHRF beater. He is an
At my Club we score the boat not the skipper - allowing for the boat to be
sailed with different skippers (some are official partnerships, others informal
arrangements) Of course humans and not boats attend the Awards Ceremony, so
the boats representatives (skippers) collect the trophies (whic
in
On 9/8/13, Mike wrote:
> Thanks for your input.. I do like the sailor of the year.
> Mike
>
> From: Dennis C.
> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 2:12 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List scoring
>
> Agree. Our club has "Sailor of the Year&quo
Thanks for your input.. I do like the sailor of the year.
Mike
From: Dennis C.
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 2:12 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List scoring
Agree. Our club has "Sailor of the Year" trophy. Not necessarily for best
overall performance but
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> From: Mike
> To: Dennis C. ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 11:34 AM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List scoring
>
> Just one more note. He raced the spring series on one boat. the summer on
> another. So he did not change for wind , weather conditions
ith a wide range of handicaps - ours goes from a C&C 115 (78) to a
Triton (252). The Triton can finish tomorrow and still beat you.
Gary
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From: Mike
To: Dennis C. ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 11:34 AM
Subject: Re: Stus-List sc
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No question about it, always score the boat, not the skipper, unless it is a
one design regatta where skippers rotate through different boats.
Go back to the Notice of Race/Regatta. It probably reads "boats" not
"skippers&q
No question about it, always score the boat, not the skipper, unless it is a
one design regatta where skippers rotate through different boats.
Go back to the Notice of Race/Regatta. It probably reads "boats" not
"skippers" under the entry, eligibility, class and division sections. If not,
nex
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From: Mike
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 7:50 AM
Subject: Stus-List scoring
Hi Gang
I have a scoring question. In Our club we have a skipper that has changed
boats partway through the season. He has done very well in both boats. At our
cl
One design boats are all the same, by design, and allowed sail
inventory, so I could see that would be a more acceptable swap than
going from
a Mason 33 to say a Viper for instance, and in some races/ one design
fleets (Martin 16's for instance) swapping crews to different boats
is required wit
un...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Mike
Sent: September-08-13 8:51 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List scoring
Hi Gang
I have a scoring question. In Our club we have a skipper that has changed
boats partway through the season. He has done very well in both boats. At our
club
Check out http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performance_Handicap_Racing_Fleet
If the premise is correct, and giving the process of assigning ratings a wide
berth, a crew should be able to swap boats without affecting their standings in
a series.
Now that I've said that, I fully understand my folly
Different boat, different score. No brainer.
Bill Walker
C n C 36
Pentwater, Mi.
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From: "Mike"
To:
Subject: Stus-List scoring
Date: Sun, Sep 8, 2013 7:50 AM
Hi Gang
I have a scoring question. In Our club we have a skipper that has chan
Different boat, different score. No brainer.
Bill Walker
C n C 36
Pentwater, Mi.
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From: "Mike"
To:
Subject: Stus-List scoring
Date: Sun, Sep 8, 2013 7:50 AM
Hi Gang
I have a scoring question. In Our club we have a skipper that has chan
pper
>> getting a PHRF beater. He is an active member and supports the club.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> From: BRETT L. ARRON, MD
>> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 8:15 AM
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List scor
PHRF beater. He is an active member and supports the club.
>
> Mike
>
> Mike
>
> From: BRETT L. ARRON, MD
> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 8:15 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List scoring
>
> Racing under PHRF ratings, it should not make a d
Brett,
But PHRF is subjective and, to be brutally honest, corrupt.
Look at the J/105 ratings across the country. They range from 93 in some areas
to 108 in others. Same boats, all supposedly based on 5-10 wind speed, so why
the differences?
Sailmakers on PHRF boards.
The overall system is
ber and supports the club.
>
> Mike
>
> Mike
>
> From: BRETT L. ARRON, MD
> Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 8:15 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List scoring
>
> Racing under PHRF ratings, it should not make a difference if he chan
I should add both boats have solid PHRF numbers. So it was not the skipper
getting a PHRF beater. He is an active member and supports the club.
Mike
Mike
From: BRETT L. ARRON, MD
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2013 8:15 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List scoring
Racing
Racing under PHRF ratings, it should not make a difference if he changed boats
every race. I would think it would be a disadvantage to have to learn the
intricacies and peccadillos of a new boat.
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Brett Arron
Serenity
C&C 33 Mk-1
brett.ar...@gmail.com
401-338-1961
On Sep 8,
Jeff,
What argument is that?
Two entrants: one a Beneteau 36.7, the other a 1970s Mason 33. Is it fair to
the Mason owner that the owner of the Ben can easily find other 36.7 hulls to
replace his?
All the best,
Edd
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Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
NCC-17
Mike,
Always separate. Different hull is a different entry. Even in one design
racing.
In PHRF racing, I've never ever seen anyone change hulls and continue their
series scores.
There's an element of fairness there too. Boat damage is a risk every entrant
makes. It would not be fair for a c
Depends somewhat...Did he change boats to one of the same design? If
so, I could see argument for allowing it to be scored as one boat.
If it is a different make, model and design then scored separately.
Usually the SI's for your race would spell out equipment change
parameters. Our's for inst
Hi Gang
I have a scoring question. In Our club we have a skipper that has changed
boats partway through the season. He has done very well in both boats. At our
club we score each series and an overall that goes on the club Trophy. Do we
score him separate for both boats or as one boat? W
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