Re: Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
The modern c&c's have swept spreaders. 99, 115 and likely the rest. it is imp a superior setup. unfortunately my 33 does not have them Mike Persistence Halifax From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Josh Muckley via CnC-List [cnc-list

Re: Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List
David, It depends on if you have swept spreaders. To my knowledge C&C didn't sweep the spreaders. Hunters OTOH are known for their swept spreaders. Swept spreaders pull the mast aft and create head stay tension. Without swept spreaders the backstay is about all there is. Some boats have runnin

Re: Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread David Knecht via CnC-List
Hi Dennis- I realize that you would generally tighten the forestay with the backstay as the wind increases. However, that assumes some starting point of how much sag there is with no backstay tension and it is that starting point that I am unsure how to set. I am presuming that there can be suc

Re: Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
Rob First. When did you stop being Bob? Second. ice breaker may 9. come out of retirement and sail on persistence V. ( I did the transport cad registration) mike Persistence Splashing this week From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of rob

Re: Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
Simple question. Complex answer. Look at the shape of the headsail. Notably, the amount of sag in the luff. Forestay tension is primarily regulated by backstay tension. There is no good guide for pounds of force. Your headsail design and age, choice of sail (#1, #2, #3), rig tune, wind streng

Re: Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread David Knecht via CnC-List
Speaking of forestay, what is the proper way to determine the correct forestay tension?Dave On Apr 28, 2015, at 7:14 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List wrote: > Robert, > > I think the only things missing from your setup numbers are rake and > pre-bend. Our forestay length is also very easy

Re: Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread Tim Goodyear via CnC-List
Robert, I think the only things missing from your setup numbers are rake and pre-bend. Our forestay length is also very easy to adjust (not that I do often). Thanks, Tim > On Apr 28, 2015, at 4:01 PM, robert via CnC-List > wrote: > > What Dwight is referencing is a race we did with a Kirb

Re: Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread robert via CnC-List
What Dwight is referencing is a race we did with a Kirby 25 and were embarrassed on the race course. And we were especially bad on starboard tackwe kept wondering all day what was wrongalmost blaming one another for our poor performance, e.g. you can't be pointing high enough, you can'

Re: Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread dwight veinot via CnC-List
Robert I think you might have learned the hard way about what rig tune means in that race we had with the K25 when we got whooped big time, especially on stbd tack...no good at all if the mast isn't plumb, right??? I am not sure if anyone can feel tension as accurately as the gage does it and the

Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread robert via CnC-List
On everything up top on the standing rigging, I now use only SS cotter pins.this is because on several occasions, and I can not explain how it happened, the split rings vanished. Luckily, nothing fell down before the missing split ring was detected. I have no explanation how the split rin

Re: Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread Tim Sippel via CnC-List
Hmm cheap out I was just eying up a roll of velcro I have here … Tim From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 2:28 PM To: Tim Goodyear; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List rig tuning I've seen people chea

Re: Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List
I've seen people cheap out with velcro straps and cotter pins for a DIY equivalent. Joel On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I use two per turnbuckle body. I was trying to find the order - I think > it was two large (C4) and one small (C3

Re: Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread Tim Goodyear via CnC-List
I use two per turnbuckle body. I was trying to find the order - I think it was two large (C4) and one small (C3) each side for my 35-3. Tim On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:54 AM, Jim Reinardy wrote: > Tim, > > Do you just put them on one of the ends, or do you use 2 per turnbuckle > body? > > Jim

Re: Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread Jim Reinardy via CnC-List
Tim, Do you just put them on one of the ends, or do you use 2 per turnbuckle body? Jim Reinardy C&C 30-2 “Firewater” Milwaukee, WI Sent from Windows Mail From: Marek Fluder via CnC-List Sent: ‎Tuesday‎, ‎April‎ ‎28‎, ‎2015 ‎11‎:‎58‎ ‎AM To: Josh Muckley, Marek Fluder via CnC-List

Re: Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread Dennis C. via CnC-List
My rigger buddy and I always use high quality stainless cotter pins. If they're in a turnbuckle, we bend them 90 degrees in order to wrap the turnbuckle with rigging tape. If they are at the masthead or where sails or crew won't get caught on them, we usually only bend them 10-15 degrees. That's

Re: Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread Tim Goodyear via CnC-List
I don't have a tension gauge, but we do make adjustments on the way out to races on weekend regattas (not so much on Wednesday's). As you know, I was struggling with rig tension because of mast step issues last year, so maybe I won't need to do as much this season. Tim On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10

Re: Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Tim, How often do you make adjustments? Do you have a tension gauge for rod rigging? Joel On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Tim Goodyear via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > I got those (wrap pins) last year - and am very happy with them - no sharp > edges, no messing around with rig

Re: Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread Tim Goodyear via CnC-List
I got those (wrap pins) last year - and am very happy with them - no sharp edges, no messing around with rigging tape to make adjustments. Tim Mojito C&C 35-3 Branford, CT On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Might give these a try too. > >

Re: Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List
Might give these a try too. http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1|10918|2303303|2303306&id=2546248 On Apr 28, 2015 9:48 AM, "Pete Shelquist via CnC-List" < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > A comment was made to me the other day that if an insurance company sees > split rings at the rigs tur

Re: Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread John Irvin via CnC-List
Doing the doctor route again. Maybe later. -Original Message- From: "Josh Muckley via CnC-List" Sent: ‎2015-‎04-‎28 10:47 AM To: "C&C List" ; "Pete Shelquist" Subject: Re: Stus-List rig tuning Most insurance policies have blanket statements stating something to the effect of, "Vessel

Re: Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread Charlie Nelson via CnC-List
I used to use split rings to reduce sail wear. The yard rigger who is pretty knowledgeable replaced them all when he tuned the rig, claiming that cotter pins are best. Don't know if it is truth or historical lore but I have stayed with the pins since then. Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 3

Re: Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread Josh Muckley via CnC-List
Most insurance policies have blanket statements stating something to the effect of, "Vessel maintained in accordance with established industry standards." This gets you anytime ABYC changes the standards. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Apr 28, 2015 9:48 AM, "Pete Shelquist

Stus-List Raymarine P70 autopilot upgrade

2015-04-28 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List
All, There is a software upgrade for the P70 head units. I did the upgrade a few weeks ago. Based on my limited use since, it seems have improved the AP response. Since the upgrade I have not used it downwind a any sort of sea however. Has anyone else tried it? In order to do the upgrade I fi

Re: Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread Joel Aronson via CnC-List
No, but I can see a surveyor noting it as something to be repaired before coverage is bound. Joel On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 9:48 AM, Pete Shelquist via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > A comment was made to me the other day that if an insurance company sees > split rings at the rigs turn

Stus-List rig tuning

2015-04-28 Thread Pete Shelquist via CnC-List
A comment was made to me the other day that if an insurance company sees split rings at the rigs turnbuckles (vs cotter pins) that coverage will be null and void. I found nothing in my policy stating this detail. Anyone else ever hear of this? Thanks, Pete

Re: Stus-List 2 coats of VC17

2015-04-28 Thread Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
Pleae ignore From: Hoyt, Mike Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 9:17 AM To: 'Rochester.rr.com'; 'cnc-list@cnc-list.com' Subject: RE: Stus-List 2 coats of VC17 Boat propeller measurements From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rochester.rr.com via CnC-List Sent: Monday, A

Re: Stus-List 2 coats of VC17

2015-04-28 Thread Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
Boat propeller measurements From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rochester.rr.com via CnC-List Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 1:10 PM To: Marek Fluder; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List 2 coats of VC17 Hi sounds to me like the 1st coat was not dry completel