Re: Stus-List America's Cup conspiracy theory

The thought has crossed my mind considering the money at stake and the ego of the big push. Brent Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 24, 2013, at 9:01 PM, Andrew Burton wrote: > > One thing for sure, the sponsors are getting their money's worth! At least, I > certainly hope they are. I won't comp

Re: Stus-List America's Cup conspiracy theory

One thing for sure, the sponsors are getting their money's worth! At least, I certainly hope they are. I won't complain if they do the same thing again...and I bet there would be more boats lined up to sail, too Andy Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google

Re: Stus-List America's Cup 1983

The american JB scored a bronze in Finns in 84 for the US. He was born in California in '56, which makes him about 10 years younger than the Australian JB. It was the American who sailed with Dennis. http://www.sailingworld.com/experts/the-master-returns It's just an odd coincidence that there

Re: Stus-List America's Cup 1983

John Bertrand is the Australian skipper who won the cup from Dennis in 1983. I believe he did go to college in the US and graduated MIT, sailed with Dennis but later skippered Australia II and later Australian defenders and challengers. He also is known as the skipper of the Australian Americas

Stus-List America's Cup

The TV coverage is awesome. But as a bit of a geek, I have been watching the TV coverage and running the virtual eye on my desktop at the same time! http://americascup.virtualeye.tv/ I suspect it is done entirely in Java! A friend of mine is in San Francisco and told me that the annual Oracle

Re: Stus-List America's Cup 1983

There's an American John Bertrand. I suspect he's the one who sailed with Dennis. Andrew Burton 61 W Narragansett Newport, RI USA02840 http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/ +401 965-5260 On Sep 24, 2013, at 20:08, Chuck S wrote: > Read both accounts of the 1983 race, on

Re: Stus-List America's Cup conspiracy theory

I am a long time (50 year) fan of the Americas Cup. I doubt an NZ competitor would lose so many races to allow an even final race. But I wouldn't doubt Oracle may have carried some extra water weight to sandbag the first few races and force their guys to sail better. I'd love San Francisco to ke

Re: Stus-List America's Cup 1983

Read both accounts of the 1983 race, one by Dennis Conners and one by John Bertrand and it seems "reading windshifts and adjusting strategy to the wind" was key to the race. The winged keel was just a red herring. Another point, the sailboat racing community is rather small. John Bertrand crew

Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

I had lunch today with my boss Tom Rich who was crew on Liberty in 1983. He likens the 83 regatta to what we are watching now, a monumental comeback. Liberty was up 3-1 and eventually lost to Australia 4-3. Tom said Liberty went into the finals as fast as they were going to get the boat to go an

Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

Umm, sorry, sometimes I'm too obscure for even myself to understand. That's from 'Mercury Blues', and good old boat -- I mean tune. I wrote: (ahem...) If I were Larry Ellison I tell you what I'd do.. ___ This List is provided by the C&C Photo Alb

Re: Stus-List America's Cup. - cavitation

Most of the research the US Navy did on cavitation had to do with nuclear submarine propellers.  I isn't just classified, it's HIGHLY classified.  The US subs have the quietest props.  You can understand a noisy propeller would not be a good thing on a submarine. I was stationed at a Navy ship

Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

I have often thought that they should make the teams buy old 40 foot IOR era boats and fix them up and then race them. *That* would put the Americas Cup within the reach of the common man. (ahem...) If I were Larry Ellison I tell you what I'd do.. I'd go downtown and buy a Mercury too! Wal

Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

As a monohull guy, I lament the demise of the monohulls in the America's Cup. That beings said, I must admit that It is a hoot watch sailboats doing 40 kts., In contrast to past Americas Cups, I must say that NBC sports (including Gary Jobson and Ken Read) have done a fantastic job bringing the ne

Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

<< Did the designers of the current AC boats just decide not to deal with the cavitation issue, and deliberately choose to depend on rules limits for safety?>> These boats were never intended to hydrofoil! The Kiwis sawr a loophole in the rules and put them on their boat, and because there was

Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

they tried running a hydrofoil between Seattle and Victoria years ago. They quit it because they kept wiping out foils on logs! Andy Peregrine C&C 40 On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 5:44 PM, Steve Thomas wrote: > ** > The Canadian navy once had a hydrofoil ship which would do better than 60 > knots, a

Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

The Canadian navy once had a hydrofoil ship which would do better than 60 knots, as did the Norwiegans. The U.S. navy had armed and operational hydrofoil patrol vessels rated at 48 knots, just under the 50 knot limit you mentioned. There must exist a body(s) of engineering data on how to deal wit

Re: Stus-List AC

I think I'll make calls around the marine industry at 4:15 tomorrow and see if anyone answers! On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 5:39 PM, Harry Hallgring wrote: > Wow! > > ___ > This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album > http://www.cncphotoalbum.com > CnC-L

Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

did you guys see that?! this is incredible stuff! I was the biggest naysayer around but I was wrong! On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:14 PM, Chuck S wrote: > I think the Americas Cup went through many changes thru the years. The > twelve meter boats saw a national pride carried thruout with crews f

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Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

I think it may be the best ever. I never could understand my friends jumping off the couch during football games and yelling and jumping - Now I understand a little better. Clipped this interesting tidbit from Lirakis's Blog - <> When the races are over, assuming these boats are toas

Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

Any conspiracy theorists out there? Are the Kiwi's letting Oracle catch up to increase the excitement level so that AC 35 will be even better televised, followed by the non-sailing media? I agree that this has been one spectacular AC. I just wish I had had the opportunity to see them live from

Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

I actually think this is the best America's cup in years. I'm following this one every day and I haven't done that fir years, probably since the early 1980's. There are others who seem to agree with me. Have a look at this article in the Huffington Post: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christophe

Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

I want to carry on with the idea the boat is built in the challenging country and sails to the race venue on her own bottom. Worked wonders for light air racing in Newport where our boats could be light and our friends across the ocean – not so much LOL Joe Della Barba From: CnC-List [mailto:cn

Re: Stus-List Stanchion removal

Here is South carolina we dont use covers. We sail year round. Low temp 45 high 78 winter. We still have to clean groth off the bottom thow and that cost dive time. On 9/24/13, Bill Coleman wrote: > I would luv it if mine were seized, they wobble. > > Oh yeah, I have to remove them to put the co

Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

I think the Americas Cup went through many changes thru the years. The twelve meter boats saw a national pride carried thruout with crews from local colleges. That chapter ran from WWII until 1983 when America lost the cup. I think the national requirement was dropped after Coutts won so many ti

Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

To quote a friend of mine: "A funny thing about the America's Cup. It isn't owned by anyone. The deed is entrusted and the terms of the deed are enforced by the courts in New York State. As a result, the AC is precisely and exactly what Mr. Jewett wanted it to be when he wrote it. While all of us

Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

Bev, I think you want the Olympics, not the America's Cup. And regarding 'southern hemisphere' accents, the best sailor on the water - on either boat - hails from Britain, 3000nm north of the equator. Cheers Colin On 9/24/13, Edd Schillay wrote: > From Wikipedia: > > The America's Cup, affect

Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

Considering the number of lawsuits invoked over the years for each America's cup the America's Cup Deed of Gift is short, sweet and to the point: http://www.a3.org/ac2000_DeedofGift.html DEED OF GIFT FOR THE AMERICA'S CUP This Deed of Gift, made the twenty-fourth day of October, one thousand eigh

Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

From Wikipedia: The America's Cup, affectionately known as the "Auld Mug", is a trophy awarded to the winner of the America's Cup match races between two sailing yachts. One yacht, known as the defender, represents the yacht club that currently holds the America's Cup and the second yacht, know

Re: Stus-List America's Cup.

Bev, The Cup racing has gone downhill to be sure -- both in the teams and the boats, but it is fun to watch any boat go 40 knots. I do believe, however, the America's Cup is not named after our country, but the boat "America". All the best, Edd

Re: Stus-List Stanchion removal

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Stus-List America's Cup.

I am confused. We have a boat sponsored from a country that last time I used an atlas was in the Middle East. All participants being interviewed seem to have an accent from the Southern Hemisphere. Rumour has it that in fact we have only one American on board. If they win, it should be called th

Re: Stus-List Stanchion removal

I would luv it if mine were seized, they wobble. Oh yeah, I have to remove them to put the cover on . . . Bill Coleman C&C 39 animated_favicon1 From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Knowles Rich Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 9:47 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.

Re: Stus-List Stanchion removal

Derek, I did this with mine last winter. I have solid aluminum stanchions in SS pocket type bases. My fabricator tried soaking, heat, cutting the bottom out and pushing with a 30 ton press...all to no avail. He eventually cut the base vertically and was able to press it out. He re welded and pol

Re: Stus-List Stanchion removal

Good point. Wouldn't be the worst idea to re-bed those bases. > : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Derek Leck : : Account Manager METZGERS : : www.metzgers.com 419.861.8611 x4824 : : fax: 419.861.3299 Get Involved! http://www.metzgers.com/social-media On Sep 2

Re: Stus-List Stanchion removal

Do you really need to? Unless you're planning to replace stanchion or base, it might be okay to let it be. Mine were pretty thoroughly welded together, and it seemed to me that trying to separate them would probably crack or destroy the aluminum base. You could remove them together and refin

Re: Stus-List Stanchion removal

Heat the base with a propane torch ,use a can of Freeze it on the SS stanchion leg. If that fails revert to previous suggestion about beating it with the appropriate sized hammer !-) DDrake 73 JH C&C 26 On 2013-09-24, at 9:46 AM, Knowles Rich wrote: > Soak in grease water, heat and beat. >

Re: Stus-List Stanchion removal

Soak in grease water, heat and beat. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:34, Derek Leck wrote: Any ideas on how to remove stainless lifeline stanchions that are seized into their alloy bases? Boat came from salt water now in fresh and time to clean, update & maintain.

Re: Stus-List test

Cool but good. Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On Sep 24, 2013, at 10:18, "Hoyt, Mike" wrote: Fall is the BEST sailing of the year! From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Knowles Rich Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: R

Stus-List Stanchion removal

Any ideas on how to remove stainless lifeline stanchions that are seized into their alloy bases? Boat came from salt water now in fresh and time to clean, update & maintain. Thanks : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : : Derek Leck : : Account Manager ME

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Fall is the BEST sailing of the year! From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Knowles Rich Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:06 AM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List test A late bloomer:) Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Ha

Re: Stus-List test

A late bloomer:) Rich Knowles Indigo. LF38 Halifax On Sep 24, 2013, at 9:30, "Hoyt, Mike" wrote: I agree with Graham. I just launched my boat a week ago (for the second time this year) From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Graham Collins Sent: Monday, September

Re: Stus-List test

I agree with Graham. I just launched my boat a week ago (for the second time this year) From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Graham Collins Sent: Monday, September 23, 2013 8:37 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List tes