> I put a self-contained test up here:
> http://gist.github.com/452095
>
> To run it copy this to slurptest.clj and run these commands
> java clojure.main slurptest.clj makewords 100 (100 seems good for
> macs, 300 for linux)
>
> java -Xmx3G -Xms3G clojure.main slurptest.clj slurp|
> slurp2
>
> Try
And reading the thread history I realize the problem was already
identified (sorry), however:
> Has anyone else had a chance to try this? I'm surprised to see manual
> buffering behaving so much better than the BufferedReader
> implementation but it does seem to make quite a difference.
Not reall
On Jun 24, 2010, at 23:17 , David Nolen wrote:
> Don't have time to dive into this right now, but all I can say is now you are
> starting to have an idea what the "other side" looks like. The kind of hoop
> jumping you have to do get within 3x of Scala is absurd.
Yes to see what the "other side
Yes, you can load Clojure code from Java and invoke it however you like:
RT.var("clojure.core",
"require").invoke(Symbol.intern("your.namespace.here"));
And now you can use your clojure fns:
Var myfn = RT.var("your.namespace.here", "myfn");
myfun.invoke(arg1, arg2, etc);
I'd like to have a
Sorry I'm so late to this particular discussion :-/
Why was to-byte-array left behind? It is a bit of an oddball
function, insofar as it doesn't fit into IOFactory or Coercions, but
seems to me like a natural cousin to copy.
- Chas
On May 11, 2010, at 12:16 PM, Stuart Halloway wrote:
Ass
On Jun 16, 2010, at 9:21 PM, Michael Gardner wrote:
On Jun 16, 2010, at 7:07 PM, ataggart wrote:
There's a disconnect between the function definition and the
datastructures used by the caller.
Either fix the data structure:
(def args [:bar 2 :baz [:quux]])
then use apply
Or change the funct
Sorry, for some reason I thought that the raw data was linked off the
'analytics' page as well -- and then I didn't notice your and Antony's
messages looking for that raw data. :-(
I've updated the form with a link to the raw data added:
http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?formkey=dHVEYU
Have you tried manual copying of the perm array (as in the scala version)?
It is probably not much better or worse, but it would be nice to have the
same algorithm than scala, for comparaison purpose.
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Heinz N. Gies wrote:
>
> On Jun 24, 2010, at 23:17 , David
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 8:20 AM, Mark Engelberg
wrote:
> When exactly did people start expecting Clojure to be as fast as Java
> and/or Scala?
>
> I seem to recall in one of the original Clojure videos, Rich talked
> about the relationship between Clojure and Java. There's a long
> history of C p
On Jun 25, 2010, at 12:19 , Nicolas Oury wrote:
> Have you tried manual copying of the perm array (as in the scala version)?
> It is probably not much better or worse, but it would be nice to have the
> same algorithm than scala, for comparaison purpose.
Yes the original version did that, the im
Hi Daniel,
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Daniel Werner <
daniel.d.wer...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Judging from previous discussions on this list, I get the feeling that
> relying too much on the Java implementation details underlying the
> public Clojure APIs is discouraged. This certainly m
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 5:23 PM, James Reeves
wrote:
> Hello there!
>
> Chas Emerick's recent "State of Clojure" survey [http://bit.ly/dtdAwb]
> indicated that a significant proportion of Clojure users are beginning
> to use Clojure for web development. A recent Hacker News posting
> [http://bit.l
So the validation takes place after "alter messages conj msg" in the
add-message function?
On Jun 24, 4:48 pm, Meikel Brandmeyer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> alter calls conj on [] (which is kept as a vector) since it is the
> initial content of the messages ref. So the content of messages is a
> seqab
> 1. Have you written, or are you writing, a web application that uses
> Clojure? What does it do?
I've written a few small web apps.
> 2. Which libraries or frameworks are you using? Which versions?
ring and compojure
> 3. What made you choose Clojure to develop web applications in? What
> are
Hello,
Explain me this, please:
user=> (def x (cons 'a nil))
#'user/x
user=> x
(a)
user=> (contains? x 'a)
false
user=>
And, what is Clojure analogue of Lisp "member" function.
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Anyone notice this bug that hadn't existed in Version 1.1
user=> #{:item1 {:a "A" :b "B"} :item2 {:a "A" :b "B"}}
java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Duplicate key: {:a "A", :b "B"}
Tim
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Duplicate key prevention is a feature added in commit
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Stu
> I tried Clojure via Githhub today.
>
> Anyone notice this bug that hadn't existed in Version 1.1
>
> user=> #{:item1 {:a "A" :b "B"} :item2 {:a "A" :b "B"}}
> java.lang.IllegalArgumentExceptio
Hi,
(some '#{a} x) or (some #(= 'a %) x) in case 'a can be false or nil.
Sincerely
Meikel
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No one spoke up for it.
> Sorry I'm so late to this particular discussion :-/
>
> Why was to-byte-array left behind? It is a bit of an oddball function,
> insofar as it doesn't fit into IOFactory or Coercions, but seems to me like a
> natural cousin to copy.
>
> - Chas
>
> On May 11, 2010,
Hi,
On Jun 25, 8:12 am, michele wrote:
> So the validation takes place after "alter messages conj msg" in the
> add-message function?
Well. "in between". It takes place after the conj, but "before" the
alter. The value is taken from the ref and modified by the function
you provide. In this case
BTW: Searching the group archives for contains? will bring up a lot of
information on this topic.
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Hi Peter,
You are on the contributors list, so I just need to know your account name on
Assembla to activate your ability to add tickets, patches, etc. Let me know
your account name (which needs to be some permutation of your real name, not a
nick).
Thanks,
Stu
>> I put a self-contained test
> Explain me this, please:
>
> user=> (def x (cons 'a nil))
> #'user/x
> user=> x
> (a)
> user=> (contains? x 'a)
> false
> user=>
contains? checks whether the collection contains the *key*, not the
value. So for example the list [:a :b] contains keys 0 and 1, but not
2 or :a:
user=> (contains? [
> You are on the contributors list, so I just need to know your account name on
> Assembla to activate your ability to add tickets, patches, etc. Let me know
> your account name (which needs to be some permutation of your real name, not
> a nick).
When I read up before submitting the contribut
> I can register another account (no problem), but what implications are
> there on the fact that I wrote 'scode' on the contributor agreement I
> mail:ed Rich?
I just registered "peterschuller".
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could you also give more info of the jvm/flags you use.
Especially I see you are on a mac where last time I checked the default was
the client HotSpot.
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Heinz N. Gies wrote:
>
> On Jun 25, 2010, at 12:19 , Nicolas Oury wrote:
>
> > Have you tried manual copying
Regarding deployment leiningen-war might prove useful
http://github.com/alienscience/leiningen-war.
On Jun 24, 7:17 pm, Brenton wrote:
> 1. Have you written, or are you writing, a web application that uses
> Clojure? What does it do?
>
> I am an independent contractor and do a lot of corporate in
On 25 June 2010 12:27, Tim Robinson wrote:
> I tried Clojure via Githhub today.
>
> Anyone notice this bug that hadn't existed in Version 1.1
>
> user=> #{:item1 {:a "A" :b "B"} :item2 {:a "A" :b "B"}}
> java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Duplicate key: {:a "A", :b "B"}
You're trying to put dupl
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 15:36:31 +0200
Michael Wood wrote:
> On 25 June 2010 12:27, Tim Robinson wrote:
> > I tried Clojure via Githhub today.
> >
> > Anyone notice this bug that hadn't existed in Version 1.1
> >
> > user=> #{:item1 {:a "A" :b "B"} :item2 {:a "A" :b "B"}}
> > java.lang.IllegalArgume
>
>
> Apparently, duplicate keys in sets are only disallowed in set
> literals. Arguably, that must be a mistake on the users part, but
> it sure seems to clash with the behavior of sets elsewhere.
>
>
Why would you ever want to write a duplicate in a set literal?
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Duplicate keys in maps/sets are disallowed in literals and factory functions,
where data is generally literal & inline and therefore likely represents coder
error:
; all disallowed
#{:a :a}
{:a 1 :a 2}
(hash-map :a 1 :a 2)
(hash-set :a :a)
They are allowed in other contexts, where the data coul
Were not using Clojure yet for our
Web based GUIs.
The main reason being that we jumped
on Rails last year. Most of our needs
are to display/edit database data and
the ActiveScaffold plugin allows us
to write a controller in 20 lines.
We do not need to write forms,
it's all done through partial r
Thanks Stuart & Peter for following up on this. Now I can get back to
plowing through this mountain of ldiff data with Clojure!
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On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 10:31:57 -0400
Stuart Halloway wrote:
> Duplicate keys in maps/sets are disallowed in literals and factory functions,
> where data is generally literal & inline and therefore likely represents
> coder error:
>
> ; all disallowed
> #{:a :a}
> {:a 1 :a 2}
> (hash-map :a 1 :a
I think there are two important considerations in favor of how it works now:
(1) The "common case" presumptions (which admittedly may need to be learned).
(2) The need for both flavors. If there wasn't a flavor that rejected duplicate
keys, somebody would surely ask for it.
Add to these conside
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:37:32 -0400
Stuart Halloway wrote:
> (2) The need for both flavors. If there wasn't a flavor that rejected
> duplicate keys, somebody would surely ask for it.
I guess it makes as much sense as anything, given that you don't want
to get into -unique or some such.
But it d
On Jun 25, 2:57 am, Chas Emerick wrote:
> This is fairly simple:
>
> user=> (defn foo [& {:as args}] [args])
> #'user/foo
> user=> (def m {:a 5 :b 6})
> #'user/m
> user=> (apply foo (-> m seq flatten))
> [{:a 5, :b 6}]
>
> I'm not sure if it could be made easier, short of changing apply
> (which
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Brian Carper wrote:
> Given:
>
> (defn foo [x & {:as args}] [x args])
> (foo 1 :bar 2 :baz [:quux])
> => [1 {:bar 2, :baz [:quux]}]
>
> If I have those rest-arguments already in a map, what's the most
> elegant way to call foo with them?
>
> (def args {:bar 2 :baz
> On 2010-06-24, at 12:27, Daniel Gagnon wrote:
>
> I don't use Clojure for web development and I thought sharing why could be
> useful too.
>
> For web development, my favourite tool is Django. It comes as a fullstack
> framework which means I have everything I need out of the box. Templates,
> c
My sense from reading Rich's writing on the subject is that 'contains?
was named with the use of sets in mind. There is also a pairing logic
involved whereby if 'contains? returns true, the the value returned by
'get is valid (this covers cases in maps where the value actually is
nil).
As Meikel
On 25 June 2010 05:27, Ryan Senior wrote:
> (future-await fut2 2 :minutes) ; => "done"
Your implementation points into the right direction (again, IMHO). I'd
like to offer two suggestions:
1. Leave out the three-arg version of future-await. The time unit
conversion seems somewhat superfluous, wi
equiv, the revenge of num
The latest revision of primitive support is in the equiv branch. It
takes the approach of num, with no auto-promotion, and bigint
contagion, and adds several things to better support contagion. I
think contagion is the best way to continue to support polymorphic
This looks excellent.
I'd like to re-raise a question I had a few days ago: Will this ultimately
come to affect floats, too?
In particular:
1) If there is going to be BigInt contagion, why not BigDecimal contagion?
user=> (* 4 5)
20
user=> (* 4 5N)
20N
but
user=> (* 4.0 5.0)
20.0
user=> (* 4.
Amazingly good ideas.
Will try it tomorrow.
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 8:04 PM, Rich Hickey wrote:
> equiv, the revenge of num
>
> The latest revision of primitive support is in the equiv branch. It takes
> the approach of num, with no auto-promotion, and bigint contagion, and adds
> several things
Following up, point (2) in my previous message would be helpful only if =
were changed so that it looked at the stripTrailingZeros() value of
BigDecimals. I would advocate this in any case, because the following
behavior appears silly to me (is it useful to anyone?):
user=> (== 434343.00M 434343.0
floats and doubles are "inexact" numbers and ratios, ints, longs,
bigints, and bigdecimals are "exact" numbers.
The expected behavior is that inexact things contaminate exact things,
because now the result is inexact. This is what Clojure does.
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Garth Sheldon-Couls
A couple points of clarification:
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Mark Engelberg
wrote:
> You don't want the hashCode of bigdecimal to match the corresponding
> double. They aren't equal, so they shouldn't have the same hashcode.
> They aren't equal because one is exact and one is inexact.
I s
I'd first like to thank everyone who has replied so far. Your feedback
has been invaluable.
I'm going to try and address some of the issues people have raised. If
I've missed any big ones, feel free to shout louder :)
@Joost
Could you send me an email with the i18n patches you had to make to
Comp
> I should have said "they shouldn't be equal" based on Rich Hickey's
> explanation that from now on (= 1 1.0) will return false. I think by
> this logic (= 1.0M 1.0) should also be false. I have no idea what the
> current branch actually does though -- haven't tried it yet.
>
>
Ah, yeah, fair en
Hi James,
Great idea for a survey!
I'm using Clojure to bootstrap a startup, broadly in the Healthcare
domain. The system we're building comprises a number of components
all implemented in Clojure, one of which is a centralised web server.
The reason we chose Clojure was because it runs on the
Hi everyone- I am running an emacs slime repl via "lein swank". I want
to do some simple data input/output by writing a program that runs in
the repl. However, when I try to execute "(read)" through the slime
repl it gives a "stream closed" error. This operation works fine if
done through "lein rep
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Garth Sheldon-Coulson wrote:
> Personally, I think (= 3 3M) => true and (= 3/10 0.3M) => true would be nice
> to have, given that (= 3 3N) => true. Both are currently false in equiv. I
> also think (= 3.0M 3.00M) => true would be nice. As Rich said, there's no
> pa
I'll reiterate a question I asked a while back, but was never answered:
Are the bit-bashing operators (bit-*) going to get the same treatment
as the arithmetic operators? I would expect that many of the fields
that benefit if the latter to be fast would also benefit from the former
being fast, and
> @Mark S
> Logging is something I've been very interested in at various points in
> the past, usually when an application goes wrong in production and I
> have to figure out what went wrong!
>
> I think we need to discard the notion that logs should be timestamped
I still like timestamps even wit
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Rich Hickey wrote:
> equiv, the revenge of num
Has it already been decided that some sort of this new numeric tower
will find its way into Clojure?
Personally, I think this change will open a can of worms and make
programming in Clojure more difficult and error p
>
> Rich Hickey's insightful videos have caused me to stop
> writing loops whenever possible. For me this is the same
> level of "thinking-change" that happened when I moved to
> using "Structured Programming" rather than GOTO (in Fortran).
> Rich needs to write a paper called
> "Loops considered
>
> It can (but its startup is slow, currently). May I ask you why you
> wouldn't want to use it?
>
>
One reason is that from what little I know about ABCL it seems more
straightforward working with Java libraries in Clojure, but also there is a
huge amount of enthusiasm and energy going into Cloju
Hi,
Am 25.06.2010 um 20:48 schrieb Daniel Werner:
> On 25 June 2010 05:27, Ryan Senior wrote:
>> (future-await fut2 2 :minutes) ; => "done"
>
> What do others think?
I agree – in particular for point 2.
For point 1: I think "2 :minutes" is not very clojure-like. It sound more like
Ruby: 2.mi
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 05:58, Andrzej wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 4:04 AM, Rich Hickey wrote:
>> equiv, the revenge of num
>
> Has it already been decided that some sort of this new numeric tower
> will find its way into Clojure?
>
> Personally, I think this change will open a can of worms
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