Re: Strings, Symbols, Keywords, Vars, NS, Type/Class…

Github page embeds your pdf as an image, browser sad. https://github.com/franks42/kitjensink/raw/master/extras/ClojureVarsNamespaceType6.pdf On Thursday, March 1, 2012 5:14:19 PM UTC-7, FrankS wrote: > > It is my experience that the way how these fundamental Clojure entities, > like Strings, Sym

Re: ANN: ClojureScript revision 927 release

Weekend made. Thank you! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubscribe from this g

Re: Exception handling changes in Clojure 1.3.0

I don't know what the right solution is either, but here is a JIRA ticket with an attached regression test. A start. http://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/CLJ-855 On Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:02:47 PM UTC-7, Stuart Sierra wrote: > > I was a little worried about this when the exception behavior fo

Re: Exception handling changes in Clojure 1.3.0

Fair enough. :) Complete test coverage is intractable. But in clojure, there are only a handful of tests that contain a catch and none that test try/catch semantics. Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" gr

Re: Exception handling changes in Clojure 1.3.0

Would now be a bad time to observe there was a large change made to the way exceptions are handled, and the lack of guard-rails (no tests for exception handling behavior) may have contributed to this regression? https://github.com/clojure/clojure/commit/8fda34e4c77cac079b711da59d5fe49b74605553 O

Re: Reuse of generic Clojure/ClojureScript code?

Do you know if that solution will extend to sharing clojure core libraries where that makes sense (a lot of copy-n-pasted code in [core|set|string|walk|zip].cljs)? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to

Re: autoboxing in 1.3 RC-0

ption 2 is fractionally faster by ~3% over option 1. Expectation would be the explicit conversion to long shouldn't be needed. On Thursday, September 15, 2011 8:16:10 PM UTC-7, pmbauer wrote: > > I ran into this exact issue on an alioth benchmark. > Adding the explicit (long ...) con

Re: autoboxing in 1.3 RC-0

I ran into this exact issue on an alioth benchmark. Adding the explicit (long ...) conversion gets rid of the reflection warning, but didn't have a significant effect on performance. The inner loop is still boxing the return value. On Thursday, September 15, 2011 8:36:53 AM UTC-7, Sean Corfield w

Re: Example of a real-world ClojureScript web application

Bit of copyright violation, that. If you want the Closure e-book, get a licensed copy. We should encourage legal means of obtaining information rather than post links to hosts that aren't authorized to distribute materials. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google

Re: Stanford AI Class

+1 On Friday, August 12, 2011 3:16:15 PM UTC-7, Sergey Didenko wrote: > > BTW, Is there a case when AI self-modifying program is much more elegant > than AI just-data-modifying program? > > I just can't figure out any example when there is a lot of sense to go the > self-modifying route. > --

Re: Creating a map algorithmically

For the sieve, if performance matters, clojure's native data structures may not be the best choice. A mutable array of boolean primitives could be more apropos. (defn prime-sieve [^long n] (let [^booleans sieve (make-array Boolean/TYPE (inc n))] ...) ... using aset/aget to write/read sieve

Re: ClojureScript Compile errors

> > Why all the attention to :use - I thought everyone agreed using it is > a bad idea? > Really? I thought it's use was only considered bad form in the absence of :only > The only benefit I see is that you can avoid a (minimum 2 > character) prefix. > I would think the obvious benefit is i

Re: ClojureScript Compile errors

In Clojure, there is a clear distinction between using Clojure namespaces and importing interop packages. Is it a goal then to blur that line in ClojureScript? 'use' couldn't be used analogously just for ClojureScript names as it is in Clojure? On Friday, August 5, 2011 5:14:36 PM UTC-7, Rich

Re: ClojureScript Compile errors

You don't need 'use' in production? ;) *ducks* On Friday, August 5, 2011 12:06:29 PM UTC-7, David Nolen wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Fogus wrote: > >> The following lines looks problematic: >> >>(ns mainpage >>(:use lib.dom-helpers)) >> >> That is, ClojureScript only sup

Re: Libraries and build management hell

> > I might be able to disprove your scurrilous charge if ... > I doubt that since your earlier assertion was factually incorrect. > > See mvn install:install-file > > > > http://maven.apache.org/guides/mini/guide-3rd-party-jars-local.html > > Not relevant. We were discussing use of lein deps. >

Re: Libraries and build management hell

"What if you have the JAR on a disk somewhere, for other reasons, but until now it wasn't a dependency of that particular project?" Your assertion that dependency management systems are in any way disadvantaged to manual dependency management in terms of SPOF or requiring a network connection is

Re: Possible Issue with Listing 11.5 from the "Joy of Clojure"

"Please post all Errors and Corrections here" http://www.manning-sandbox.com/thread.jspa?threadID=41321&tstart=0 On Friday, July 29, 2011 9:10:00 PM UTC-7, Julien Chastang wrote: > > Thanks for your in-depth analysis. > > In conclusion, the 11.5 listing is broken specifically with the > reificat

[ANN] (first phoenix-clojure-user-group-meetings)

Announcement Link, details: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/clj-phx/l_S4qcOSuaY/discussion August 30th, 6:30 PM Food provided. Please use the group mailing list for replies, RSVPs ( http://groups.google.com/group/clj-phx) Hosted by *Shutterfly *. -- You received t

Re: Clojure User Group, Phoenix

Great! I've created a mailing list: http://groups.google.com/ <http://groups.google.com/group/clj-phx> group/clj-phx <http://groups.google.com/group/clj-phx> On Thursday, July 28, 2011 8:17:14 PM UTC-7, Charlie Griefer wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 8:12 PM, pmbauer w

Clojure User Group, Phoenix

Anyone in the Phoenix area care to help start a Clojure user group? http://clj-phx.wikispaces.com/Startup+Discussion -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new

Re: format and printf can't be used with BigInt

That wasn't called for. Given Stu linked to the page (and is linked in the 1.3 release notes), it's reasonable to assume the permission error is merely a mistake and not some nefarious plot to withhold information from the Clojure community. On Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:48:34 PM UTC-7, Ken Wess

Re: The Number of Clojure (Was: Alright, fess up, who's unhappy with clojurescript?)

These "unhappy" threads need to die a horrible death. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first pos

Re: Alright, fess up, who's unhappy with clojurescript?

Fair point, but Rhino doesn't always have the correct semantics. For example, one common JS idiom for default params: eval("undefined || 2 + 2") => returns true instead of 4 But mostly, Rhino is just a JS engine with no DOM, so is less than ideal for browser UI development. > > I do so hope h

Re: better community docs: getting started

> > I do not think we should attempt a recommended IDE (not even Clooj). > We should offer a path for all existing IDEs / editors. > ... > Use an editor not listed here? Try Clooj > (i.e., use this as a simple catch-all if we haven't covered what you > already used today). > That's one way of

Re: Leiningen on OpenBSD

FWIW, lein and JDK 1.7 play fine together on both my linux systems (Ubuntu 10.10 and 11.04). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated

Re: better community docs: getting started

+1 on clooj. One click and you have a working build environment, REPL, and REPL-aware editor. https://github.com/downloads/arthuredelstein/clooj/clooj-0.1.5-standalone.jar -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send e

Re: better community docs: contrib

P.S. JIRA account ID: pmbauer -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubs

Re: better community docs: contrib

Would be glad to help. I have a JIRA account (CA signed, etc) but no perms to add/edit pages. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated

Re: BUG REPORT: ClojureScript : Portable Path Support

Fair enough. That addresses my concern. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your first post. To unsubsc

Re: BUG REPORT: ClojureScript : Portable Path Support

Fair enough. But, it would be nice to eventually have a ClojureScript jar available in a public maven repo someplace. Not having one would needlessly complicate projects that already use a maven-based build tool (mvn, lein, cake) and want to depend on it as part of their build. -- You receive

Re: :require farms in Clojure?

Something akin to the clj-nstools ns+ in clojure proper would sure make life easier. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please

Re: BUG REPORT: ClojureScript : Portable Path Support

If ClojureScript isn't "mavenified", how else do you easily make it a dependency in a web application? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are

Re: BUG REPORT: ClojureScript : Portable Path Support

I know. But the sorts of (presently non-portable) scripts in "scripts" (see bootstrap, repl) ad-hoc test strategy, etc in ClojureScript are begging for dependency management and a build tool. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post t

BUG REPORT: ClojureScript : Portable Path Support

PS re: 3rd point (portable helper scripts) Even better would be ClojureScript with maven support - much bigger effort, sure. I'd be willing to help work on that and submit some patches/plugins if that was an authorized direction. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the G

BUG REPORT: ClojureScript : Portable Path Support

Per instructions from redinger and jgehtland (patch addressing one issue attached). Three separate issues so far re: path support on windows * compiler path regex is not portable, cljs/compiler.clj:1096 (see attached patch, thanks amalloy for the assist) * generated JS has path problems on win

Re: Results from 2011 State of Clojure survey

On Tuesday, July 12, 2011 6:18:12 PM UTC-7, Chas Emerick wrote: > > I hesitate to go even more meta, but since I started the thread, I thought > I would say: > > I talked for a bit in the results post about mailing list threads going > into the weeds; at least IMO, this one qualifies. It wouldn'

Re: Which Clojure environments support arglist-on-space?

Slimv supports this for clojure via swank. http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=2531 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderat

Re: Contagious BigDecimals?

(re: why then...) P.S. I mean in more general context of how double contagion is handled in most languages. Clojure 1.3 alphas auto-promote floats to doubles in almost every case eg. exception: (type (float 1.0)) On Monday, May 23, 2011 4:16:48 PM UTC-7, pmbauer wrote: > > If you add an i

Re: Contagious BigDecimals?

> > If you add an inexact number and an exact number, the only thing that > makes sense is to return something that is inexact. So why then are double's contagious when mixing double and float values in a calculation? Doubles and floats are both inexact, but floats are at least less exact than

Re: Clojure 1.3 Alpha 7

Use Case: Auto-generated record -> relational mapping? Tables with more than 19 columns is not unheard of. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members a

Re: Clojure stack

I'm beginning to think this has degenerated a bit into argument for arguments sake. Yes, JRE. You don't need the JDK to read/eval .clj files. And in the context of where this all started, namely, critiques to the current getting started experience for new users, a 75MB JDK + 100MB IDE is exact

Re: Clojure stack

Mmm, not quite. Doesn't clojure run just fine with the 15MB JVM? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note that posts from new members are moderated - please be patient with your

Re: Clojure stack

> > If ALL you want is a SIMPLE repl you can just go to the tryclojure site. :) > Not quite. As far as official disto's go, the current state is a little raw for getting started And having the official getting started instructions be (as you suggested) "So now you go download this 100MB IDE" is

Re: Clojure stack

> > The recommended way definitely should be one of the painless installs. > This works: > > * Download NetBeans, configuring on the NB homepage for J2SE, and run > installer > So does this: > > * Download Eclipse J2SE > Sure, but that's still a lot of work just to get a simple repl. Th

Re: Clojure stack

The official way to get started has way too many sharp edges (Download JDK, install, set JAVA_HOME, add JAVA_HOME/bin to path, download clojure.zip, extract, sacrifice chicken, run java -cp clojure.jar clojure.main) ... at which point you get a kinda crappy REPL. Oops. Compare to (on linux): sud

Re: Joy of Clojure errata: Chapter 5

>> Sorry; I don't really care for web forums much. I think mailing lists > >> and Usenet are much to be preferred. > > > > Please do use Manning's forum for this. > > Actually, I can't. My copy is borrowed, for now, rather than my own, > so I don't have an account there. > Actually, you can. You

Re: Clojure stack

I've found the community to be very friendly and helpful. > The problem is that the entire contents of the clojure.org site is > written by an expert, for experts. > ...and necessary. More verbose, newbie-friendly docs are important too, but take a lot more time and effort (clojuredocs.org, c

Re: clojure contrib build failure on win7

clojure-contrib was left broken 1.5 months past. clojure/core are no longer maintaining the monolithic clojure-contrib library as it is deprecated. A bunch of new projects are starting to fill the void (see listing at https://github.com/clojure) Some functionality isn't making the migration - so

Re: Joy of Clojure errata: Chapter 5

Manning's forum would be a better home for errata than the Clojure mailing list. http://www.manning-sandbox.com/forum.jspa?forumID=624 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Clojure" group. To post to this group, send email to clojure@googlegroups.com Note

Re: Clojure Atlas now available (an experimental visualization of the Clojure language & standard library)

ALT-<[LEFT|RIGHT] ARROW> - nav back/forward I was very pleased to have proper browsing history support - great way to do breadcrumbs. P.S. When I started learning clojure a year ago, one of the biggest pain points was not having a resource like this. Dynamic languages, in general, and clojure, in

Re: Future of clojure.contrib.core/-?> macro

Ivan, clojure/core use a different workflow than is typical for github projects. The github readme doesn't indicate, but you may find the process here: http://clojure.org/contributing http://clojure.org/patches Cheers, pm On Apr 20, 1:44 am, Ivan Koblik wrote: > Hello Konrad, > > Git workflow i

Re: Future of clojure.contrib.core/-?> macro

clojure/core use an alternative workflow to typical OSS on github, so the eqqon link is not apropos. The clojure github readme doesn't advertise the workflow, but you can find it here: http://clojure.org/contributing http://clojure.org/patches On Apr 20, 1:44 am, Ivan Koblik wrote: > Hello Konra