Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-12 Thread Martin Jambor via cfarm-users
Hi, On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 01:33:49PM -0400, David Edelsohn wrote: > ... > > I upgraded glib2 and Emacs. Emacs-25.1 seems to be installed and > working now on gcc119. > Fantastic, thank you very much! Martin ___ cfarm-users mailing list cfarm-us

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread Jeffrey Walton via cfarm-users
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 1:33 PM, David Edelsohn wrote: > ... >>> GNU Emacs already is installed on gcc119 in /opt/freeware. >> >> It is, but when I try to run it, I get an error: >> >> jamborm@power8-aix:~/gcc$ which emacs >> /opt/freeware/bin//emacs >> jamborm@power8-aix:~/gcc$ emacs >> exec(): 0

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread Steven R Loomis via cfarm-users
Works perfectly, thanks! Steven R. Loomis IBM Global Foundations Technology Team Technical Lead, ICU for C/C++ https://ibm.biz/srloomis  E-mail: srloo...@us.ibm.com     - Original message -From: David Edelsohn via cfarm-users Sent by: "cfarm-users" To: Martin Jambor , noloa...@gmail.comCc:

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread CM Graff via cfarm-users
The excessive "loling" here exemplifies the need for the following scholium, and because many have taken single sentences out of context I will include all of the details in one sentence delineated by commas and transitions; Here is a time-line of the Almquist shell's journey through the various im

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread David Edelsohn via cfarm-users
On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 7:22 AM, Martin Jambor wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 08:12:44AM -0400, David Edelsohn via cfarm-users > wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 7:30 AM, Jeffrey Walton via cfarm-users >> wrote: >> > Hi Everyone, >> > >> > I'd like to install emacs on GCC119/AIX. >> >

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread Segher Boessenkool via cfarm-users
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 09:29:12AM -0500, CM Graff via cfarm-users wrote: > What is done with donations should be decided by the group. Lol, no, that is not how it works. If you want some *BSD machines in the cfarm, donate hardware and time to install and perhaps maintain those machines, or get s

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread Steven R Loomis via cfarm-users
For what it's worth, icu-project.org (benefiting many dependent projects on this library such as Node.js) makes use of GCC119 and the AIX build. This has allowed for porting work without having to otherwise have access to the platform.  The non-IBMers on the team do not have their own AIX systems.

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread Jeffrey Walton via cfarm-users
On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 11:39 AM, CM Graff via cfarm-users wrote: > Continued mention of the need for nearly useless AIX cross platform > testing while not addressing the need for useful netbsd and freebsd > cross platform testing is illogical. I mat be mis-parsing things, but you seem to be conf

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread CM Graff via cfarm-users
Continued mention of the need for nearly useless AIX cross platform testing while not addressing the need for useful netbsd and freebsd cross platform testing is illogical. On 10/11/17, Toebs Douglass via cfarm-users wrote: > On 11/10/17 16:22, Jeffrey Walton via cfarm-users wrote: >> I've also f

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread Toebs Douglass via cfarm-users
On 11/10/17 16:22, Jeffrey Walton via cfarm-users wrote: I've also found that using unique compilers (XL/C) and unique platforms (AIX) helps make the code more portable and reveal some assumptions made in code. I too have always found this, and I regard using multiple platforms and compilers a

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread Jonathan Wakely via cfarm-users
On 11 October 2017 at 16:22, CM Graff via cfarm-users wrote: > I saw no mention of interest in getting gcc to work properly on > FreeBSD again. Because you posted in a thread about emacs on AIX. Maybe you should discuss problems with GCC on FreeBSD on the GCC mailing lists, not here. ___

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread Jeffrey Walton via cfarm-users
>> So having a very powerful machine in the farm, that sits idle >> most of the time because it has very few regular users, feels like a >> waste of resources. > > And my point is that if we said "no thanks" to IBM and told them we > don't want it, we aren't going to get something else from them in

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread CM Graff via cfarm-users
The issue at this point is that other cfarm and mailing list users are getting called "dumb" and "stupid". And with very little reasoning other than loosely "we take what we can get" and again loosely "call others dumb". I am not personally affected by this as I am confident in my abilities. Howeve

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread Toebs Douglass via cfarm-users
On 11/10/17 15:53, Markus Trippelsdorf via cfarm-users wrote: On 2017.10.11 at 15:44 +0100, Jonathan Wakely via cfarm-users wrote: On 11 October 2017 at 15:41, CM Graff via cfarm-users wrote: You guys really over-reacted about this. Says the guy who waded into a thread about an OS he never u

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread Jeff Law via cfarm-users
On 10/11/2017 08:53 AM, Markus Trippelsdorf via cfarm-users wrote: > On 2017.10.11 at 15:44 +0100, Jonathan Wakely via cfarm-users wrote: >> On 11 October 2017 at 15:41, CM Graff via cfarm-users >> wrote: >>> You guys really over-reacted about this. >> >> Says the guy who waded into a thread about

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread Jonathan Wakely via cfarm-users
On 11 October 2017 at 15:53, Markus Trippelsdorf wrote: > On 2017.10.11 at 15:44 +0100, Jonathan Wakely via cfarm-users wrote: >> On 11 October 2017 at 15:41, CM Graff via cfarm-users >> wrote: >> > You guys really over-reacted about this. >> >> Says the guy who waded into a thread about an OS he

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread Markus Trippelsdorf via cfarm-users
On 2017.10.11 at 15:44 +0100, Jonathan Wakely via cfarm-users wrote: > On 11 October 2017 at 15:41, CM Graff via cfarm-users > wrote: > > You guys really over-reacted about this. > > Says the guy who waded into a thread about an OS he never uses, > complaining about thousands and thousands of dol

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread Jonathan Wakely via cfarm-users
On 11 October 2017 at 15:41, CM Graff via cfarm-users wrote: > You guys really over-reacted about this. Says the guy who waded into a thread about an OS he never uses, complaining about thousands and thousands of dollars worth of gear made available to anyone, no matter how dumb their attitude. _

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread CM Graff via cfarm-users
You guys really over-reacted about this. On 10/11/17, Toebs Douglass via cfarm-users wrote: > On 11/10/17 15:01, CM Graff via cfarm-users wrote: >> I believe the problem is that very few of us actually want or need >> AIX. It's nice of IBM to donate machines, but we need them running >> linux, ne

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread Toebs Douglass via cfarm-users
On 11/10/17 15:01, CM Graff via cfarm-users wrote: I believe the problem is that very few of us actually want or need AIX. It's nice of IBM to donate machines, but we need them running linux, netbsd or freebsd. I don't advertise my work here, and nor would I expect it to be pre-installed if I don

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread Jonathan Wakely via cfarm-users
On 11 October 2017 at 15:29, CM Graff wrote: >> I can install GNU/Linux and BSDs on commodity hardware in a VM, > Very few of us need more VMs. And by that logic one could test AIX > inside of a VM. Are you sure about that? > I understand that corporate loyalty is important in > these strange tim

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread CM Graff via cfarm-users
> I can install GNU/Linux and BSDs on commodity hardware in a VM, Very few of us need more VMs. And by that logic one could test AIX inside of a VM. I understand that corporate loyalty is important in these strange times but no need to eschew logic. > Debugging obscure AIX bugs without access to th

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread Jonathan Wakely via cfarm-users
On 11 October 2017 at 15:23, Martin Jambor via cfarm-users wrote: > Hello, > > On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 09:01:38AM -0500, CM Graff via cfarm-users wrote: >> I believe the problem is that very few of us actually want or need >> AIX. > > Why would that be the problem? Or even a problem? > >> It's ni

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread Martin Jambor via cfarm-users
Hello, On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 09:01:38AM -0500, CM Graff via cfarm-users wrote: > I believe the problem is that very few of us actually want or need > AIX. Why would that be the problem? Or even a problem? > It's nice of IBM to donate machines, but we need them running > linux, netbsd or free

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread Jonathan Wakely via cfarm-users
On 11 October 2017 at 15:06, Jonathan Wakely wrote: > On 11 October 2017 at 15:01, CM Graff via cfarm-users > wrote: >> I believe the problem is that very few of us actually want or need >> AIX. It's nice of IBM to donate machines, but we need them running >> linux, netbsd or freebsd. I don't adve

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread Jonathan Wakely via cfarm-users
On 11 October 2017 at 15:01, CM Graff via cfarm-users wrote: > I believe the problem is that very few of us actually want or need > AIX. It's nice of IBM to donate machines, but we need them running > linux, netbsd or freebsd. I don't advertise my work here, and nor > would I expect it to be pre-i

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-11 Thread CM Graff via cfarm-users
I believe the problem is that very few of us actually want or need AIX. It's nice of IBM to donate machines, but we need them running linux, netbsd or freebsd. I don't advertise my work here, and nor would I expect it to be pre-installed if I donated a machine. Why should IBM be any different. Furt

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-10 Thread David Edelsohn via cfarm-users
The Emacs RPM is broken. The pre-built binaries for AIX are known to have problems with libintl dependencies. - David On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 7:22 AM, Martin Jambor wrote: > Hi, > > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 08:12:44AM -0400, David Edelsohn via cfarm-users > wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 7:

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-10-10 Thread Martin Jambor via cfarm-users
Hi, On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 08:12:44AM -0400, David Edelsohn via cfarm-users wrote: > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 7:30 AM, Jeffrey Walton via cfarm-users > wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > > > I'd like to install emacs on GCC119/AIX. > > GNU Emacs already is installed on gcc119 in /opt/freeware. It is,

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-08-31 Thread David Edelsohn via cfarm-users
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:21 AM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:12 AM, David Edelsohn wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 7:30 AM, Jeffrey Walton via cfarm-users >> ... >> If you want to test building GNU Emacs for some reason, go ahead, but >> your build of Emacs will not be ins

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-08-31 Thread Jeffrey Walton via cfarm-users
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:12 AM, David Edelsohn wrote: > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 7:30 AM, Jeffrey Walton via cfarm-users > ... > If you want to test building GNU Emacs for some reason, go ahead, but > your build of Emacs will not be installed for general use. Oh, thank you. I checked in /opt/cfar

Re: [cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-08-31 Thread David Edelsohn via cfarm-users
On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 7:30 AM, Jeffrey Walton via cfarm-users wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I'd like to install emacs on GCC119/AIX. GNU Emacs already is installed on gcc119 in /opt/freeware. > > I'm not familiar with AIX or installing into /opt/cfarm. In > particular, I'm not sure if AIX suffers

[cfarm-users] Installing emacs on GCC119/AIX

2017-08-31 Thread Jeffrey Walton via cfarm-users
Hi Everyone, I'd like to install emacs on GCC119/AIX. I'm not familiar with AIX or installing into /opt/cfarm. In particular, I'm not sure if AIX suffers the ridiculous runtime path problems that plague Linux; and how to fix runtime path problems on AIX if they exist. Does the configure line bel