m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Steve Clark wrote:
>> On 07/08/2014 12:55 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>> On 07/08/2014 12:44 PM, Hal Wigoda wrote:
You aren't old.
>>> And I am a young 21. three times over. All that means is I have to
>>> learn new stuff now 3 times to get it right! As some peopl
On 08/07/14 18:36, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> On 08.07.2014 15:53, Ned Slider wrote:
>> On 08/07/14 14:14, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
>>> On 08.07.2014 14:58, Adrian Sevcenco wrote:
On 07/08/2014 04:22 AM, Always Learning wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2014-07-07 at 20:46 -0400, Robert Mosko
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 11:36:07AM -0500, Gilbert Sebenste wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Lamar Owen wrote:
>
> People will vote with their feet on this. And, that "old white men" are
> complaining about this is ageist, racist, and demeaning to EVERYONE. I am
> really disappointed in Red Hat saying
I personally used a 'portable' 300-baud TI Silent 700 which printed on thermal
paper and had an acoustic coupler on the side of it for those old phone
handsets with the two circular cups. We dialed in and waited with great
anticipation to see the next word coming from the remote machine. You als
On Jul 8, 2014 1:48 PM, "Original Woodchuck" wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 01:19:58PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> > Lamar Owen wrote:
> > > On 07/08/2014 12:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> >
> > > There are alot of possibilities here, if you're willing to think
outside
> > > the 1970's tim
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:08 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
> On 7/8/2014 6:53 AM, Ned Slider wrote:
>> That's not always true.
>>
>> Some configs that were under /etc on el6 must now reside under /usr on el7.
>>
>> Take modprobe blacklists for example.
>>
>> On el5 and el6 they are in/etc/modprobe.d/
>>
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:12 PM, Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 11:36:07AM -0500, Gilbert Sebenste wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Lamar Owen wrote:
>>
>> People will vote with their feet on this. And, that "old white men" are
>> complaining about this is ageist, racist, and demeaning
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 10:27:41AM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> > Scott Robbins wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 02:09:49PM +0200, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> > >> On 08.07.2014 13:57, Scott Robbins wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Very tru
On 07/08/2014 02:04 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Steve Clark wrote:
>> On 07/08/2014 12:55 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>> On 07/08/2014 12:44 PM, Hal Wigoda wrote:
You aren't old.
>>> And I am a young 21. three times over. All that means is I have to
>>> learn new stuff now 3 times to get
Mauricio Tavares wrote:
> On Jul 8, 2014 1:48 PM, "Original Woodchuck"
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 01:19:58PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> > Lamar Owen wrote:
>> > > On 07/08/2014 12:06 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
>> >
>> > > There are alot of possibilities here, if you're willing to thi
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Robert Moskowitz
wrote:
>
> On 07/08/2014 02:04 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> > Steve Clark wrote:
> >> On 07/08/2014 12:55 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> >>> On 07/08/2014 12:44 PM, Hal Wigoda wrote:
> You aren't old.
> >>> And I am a young 21. three times ov
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:35 PM, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Robert Moskowitz
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 07/08/2014 02:04 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> > Steve Clark wrote:
>> >> On 07/08/2014 12:55 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>> >>> On 07/08/2014 12:44 PM, Hal Wigoda wrote:
>>
On 7/8/2014 11:13 AM, Richard Pierce wrote:
> I personally used a 'portable' 300-baud TI Silent 700 which printed on
> thermal paper and had an acoustic coupler on the side of it for those old
> phone handsets with the two circular cups. We dialed in and waited with great
> anticipation to see t
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 01:22:54PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
> And more to the point, /usr isn't supposed t be needed until you are
> past the point of mounting all filesystems so you can boot from
> something tiny. Doesn't modprobe need its files earlier than that?
I think that a lot of these o
John R Pierce wrote:
> On 7/8/2014 11:13 AM, Richard Pierce wrote:
> stuff most folks had. But, until circa 1980, most of my actual work was
> with punchcards and/or (later) direct connect VDTs at 9600 baud. I do
> still have a USR Courier 2400E somewhere in storage, which was a 2400
> baud mod
Jonathan Billings wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 01:22:54PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
>> And more to the point, /usr isn't supposed t be needed until you are
>> past the point of mounting all filesystems so you can boot from
>> something tiny. Doesn't modprobe need its files earlier than that?
And more to the point, /usr isn't supposed t be needed until you are
past the point of mounting all filesystems so you can boot from
something tiny. Doesn't modprobe need its files earlier than that?
>> I think that a lot of these objections are addressed here:
>>
>> http://www.freedesktop.org/w
On 07/08/2014 07:37 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Pete Travis wrote:
>
> Said predecessor was my first computer.
> The first time I cracked its case,
> I zapped a video card installing a new hard disk.
Never install anything while PC is plugged into power socket.
--
Ljubomir
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 02:56:17PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> > I think that a lot of these objections are addressed here:
> >
> > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken/
>
> Great. And it's from freedesktop... as opposed to, say, a system user, and
> which i
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Billings wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 01:22:54PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
>> And more to the point, /usr isn't supposed t be needed until you are
>> past the point of mounting all filesystems so you can boot from
>> something tiny. Doesn't modprobe n
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:16 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 08.07.2014 17:58, schrieb Les Mikesell:
>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 8:42 AM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
>> wrote:
>>> Also the switch from messy bash scripts to a declarative
>>> configuration makes things easier once you get used to the syntax
On 07/07/2014 06:47 PM, Always Learning wrote:
> Reading about systemd, it seems it is not well liked and reminiscent of
> Microsoft's "put everything into the Windows Registry" (Win 95 onwards).
>
> Is there a practical alternative to omnipresent, or invasive, systemd ?
>
I hate to say it ... but
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 02:34:49PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Billings
> wrote> > I think that a lot of these objections are addressed here:
> >
> > http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken/
>
> Ummm, 'addressed' by pointi
On Jul 8, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:08 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
>> On 7/8/2014 6:53 AM, Ned Slider wrote:
>>> That's not always true.
>>>
>>> Some configs that were under /etc on el6 must now reside under /usr on el7.
>>>
>>> Take modprobe blacklists for
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 08:05:07AM -0700, Russell Miller wrote:
>
> And that's all I'm saying in response to you. Keep this up
> and my killfile will have one more entry.
Please stop replying to non-list subscribers in Cc: fields. Harald was
removed from this list years ago for, well, the reaso
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>> Our servers tend to just run till they die. If we didn't need them we
>> wouldn't have bought them in the first place. I suppose there are
>> businesses with different processes that come and go, but I'm not sure
>> that is desirable
>
>
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>> Unless you are offering to do that for me, for free, on all my
>> systems, having to do it certainly does take something away.
>
> then just don't upgrade to RHEL7
> so what
I expect our systems to still have services running past 2020.
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 10:08:35PM +0200, ad...@rhsoft.net wrote:
>
> besides that somebody with "kill yourself" as reject message
> has no permission to judge anybody stop that lie, it won't get
> true by repeat it i am a subscriber - otherwise your mail won't
> reach my inbox
If you're going t
On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Mark Tinberg wrote:
>
>> And more to the point, /usr isn't supposed t be needed until you are
>> past the point of mounting all filesystems so you can boot from
>> something tiny. Doesn't modprobe need its files earlier than that?
>
> This work is all about being a
On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 11:10 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
> On 7/8/2014 10:36 AM, Always Learning wrote:
> > 75 baud on a TTY (clank, clank, clank, ding, thud as the printer head
> > returned to the beginning of the line) and an amazingly fast speed of
> > 300 baud on the up-market Terminet (? spell
Always Learning wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 11:10 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
>> On 7/8/2014 10:36 AM, Always Learning wrote:
>> > 75 baud on a TTY (clank, clank, clank, ding, thud as the printer head
>> > returned to the beginning of the line) and an amazingly fast speed of
>> > 300 baud on t
On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 16:32 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> 'Ey! What'cho got 'gainst punch cards?
Never used the Power Samas 36? column cards, just the plain boring 80's.
Was an excellent hand puncher. Could easily read cards by holding them
up to the light and could fill-in the wrongly punch
On 07/08/2014 04:07 PM, Rufe Glick wrote:
> Hello there. I've just downloaded the CentOS v7.0 via torrent and am
> trying to verify the gpg signature for the file with hashes. When I do
> "gpg --verify sha256sum.txt.asc" I get the key ID of F4A80EB5. Then I'm
> trying to get the public key wi
Always Learning wrote:
>
> On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 16:32 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>
>> 'Ey! What'cho got 'gainst punch cards?
>
> Never used the Power Samas 36? column cards, just the plain boring 80's.
Nope, just the normal 80 column punchs. All IBM, y'know.
>
> Was an excellent hand puncher.
On 07/08/2014 03:21 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 08.07.2014 18:17, schrieb Robert Moskowitz:
>> On 07/08/2014 11:05 AM, Russell Miller wrote:
>>> Even its sysv compatibility is incomplete. It runs sysv scripts, but in
>>> such a
>>> way as to break any but the simplest. I've run into situati
On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> On 07/08/2014 07:37 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Pete Travis wrote:
>>
>> Said predecessor was my first computer.
>> The first time I cracked its case,
>> I zapped a video card installing a new hard disk.
>
> Never install anyt
On 07/08/2014 04:19 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>> Unless you are offering to do that for me, for free, on all my
>>> systems, having to do it certainly does take something away.
>> then just don't upgrade to RHEL7
>> so what
> I expect our sys
I installed centos 6.5 from a dvd. Now that 7 is out, I'l like to try it. I
tried:
sudo yum clean all && sudo yum update
but it said there were no updates. Is there a command-line way to upgrade from
6.5 to 7?
Thanks,
-wes
___
CentOS mailing lis
Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>
> On 07/08/2014 04:19 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Reindl Harald
>> wrote:
Unless you are offering to do that for me, for free, on all my
systems, having to do it certainly does take something away.
>>> then just don't upgrade to R
On 07/08/2014 04:28 PM, Always Learning wrote:
> On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 11:10 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
>> On 7/8/2014 10:36 AM, Always Learning wrote:
>>> 75 baud on a TTY (clank, clank, clank, ding, thud as the printer head
>>> returned to the beginning of the line) and an amazingly fast speed
I am sure now do not understand the bug end line.
From Fedora 17 they modprobe.d moved from /etc to /var/lib ? if so why
not just use a symlink from /etc to /var/lib if someone needs it there
for any reason what so ever??
Eliezer
On 07/08/2014 09:12 PM, Ned Slider wrote:
> Well, I stand correc
On 07/08/2014 04:51 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Always Learning wrote:
>> On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 16:32 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>>
>>> 'Ey! What'cho got 'gainst punch cards?
>> Never used the Power Samas 36? column cards, just the plain boring 80's.
> Nope, just the normal 80 column punchs.
systemv? Too soon?
On July 8, 2014 4:07:43 PM CDT, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>> On 07/08/2014 04:19 PM, Les Mikesell wrote:
>>> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Reindl Harald
>
>>> wrote:
> Unless you are offering to do that for me, for free, on all my
> systems,
On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 16:51 -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Always Learning wrote:
> >
> > Was an excellent hand puncher. Could easily read cards by holding them
> > up to the light and could fill-in the wrongly punched hole to avoid
> > having to re-punch the entire card.
> Never heard of a ha
On 07/08/14 14:03, Wes James wrote:
> I installed centos 6.5 from a dvd. Now that 7 is out, I'l like to try it. I
> tried:
I would suggest if possible just download centos 7 iso.
if you ever need to reinstall, you will have the iso/DVD at hand
and only apply the updates.
Or lik
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 02:08:36PM -0400, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Michael Hennebry wrote:
> > On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> >> Michael Hennebry wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2014, Pete Travis wrote:
> >>>
> Asus and the like don't make BIOS, they get it from AMI or Phoenix or
>
On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 17:10 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> The read up on Grace Hopper and how she 'discovered' an unknown opcode
> when a mispunch she glued in with nail polish. They used hand punchers
> a lot on her programming team.
Not entirely unknown because the opcode must have been
On 07/08/2014 11:03 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
>
>> On 07/08/2014 07:37 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote:
>>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Pete Travis wrote:
>>>
>>> Said predecessor was my first computer.
>>> The first time I cracked its case,
>>> I zapped a vid
On 7/8/2014 2:03 PM, Wes James wrote:
> I installed centos 6.5 from a dvd. Now that 7 is out, I'l like to try it. I
> tried:
>
> sudo yum clean all && sudo yum update
>
> but it said there were no updates. Is there a command-line way to upgrade
> from 6.5 to 7?
yum update will only update pa
On 07/08/2014 05:39 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
> On 7/8/2014 2:03 PM, Wes James wrote:
>> I installed centos 6.5 from a dvd. Now that 7 is out, I'l like to try it.
>> I tried:
>>
>> sudo yum clean all && sudo yum update
>>
>> but it said there were no updates. Is there a command-line way to upgr
On Jul 08, 2014, at 03:21 PM, Edward M wrote:
On 07/08/14 14:03, Wes James wrote:
> I installed centos 6.5 from a dvd. Now that 7 is out, I'l like to try
it. I tried:
I would suggest if possible just download centos 7 iso.
if you ever need to reinstall, you will have the iso/DVD at
On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 14:34:49 -0500
Les Mikesell wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 1:47 PM, Jonathan Billings
> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 01:22:54PM -0500, Les Mikesell wrote:
> >> And more to the point, /usr isn't supposed t be needed until you
> >> are past the point of mounting all files
On 7/8/2014 2:07 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> The invention of the 8" diskette as the boot media for the 360
370, not 360. the 360's had microcode in "ROM", one of the innovations
of the System/370 was soft loaded microcode.
--
john r pierce 37N 122W
so
On 07/08/14 15:26, Wes James wrote:
> I would suggest if possible just download centos 7 iso.
> if you ever need to reinstall, you will have the iso/DVD at hand
> and only apply the updates.
> Or like myself, and probably others, continue using centos 6.x til
> 2020? Good luck.:-)
>
>
> I did
On 07/08/2014 07:11 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
> On 7/8/2014 2:07 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>> The invention of the 8" diskette as the boot media for the 360
> 370, not 360. the 360's had microcode in "ROM", one of the innovations
> of the System/370 was soft loaded microcode.
Yeah. I thought
On 07/08/2014 05:03 PM, Tim Evans wrote:
> On 07/08/2014 05:39 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
>> On 7/8/2014 2:03 PM, Wes James wrote:
>>> I installed centos 6.5 from a dvd. Now that 7 is out, I'l like to try it.
>>> I tried:
>>>
>>> sudo yum clean all && sudo yum update
>>>
>>> but it said there w
I'm running Centos 6.5 on a software RAID-1 pair. I originally installed
it following one of the howtos from the Centos WIKI for Centos 5. My
first installation was on 5.x, then when I moved to 6.x I found that
Anaconda worked enough like the one in 5.x that I could easily adapt
the procedure.
how
On Jul 8, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Scott Robbins wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 12:21:43PM -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
>
>
>> Wow. This was my bad in assuming everyone knows who Adam is--a very good
>> natured and helpful person.
>
> I should also add that Adam's comment was very tongue-in-chee
On Jul 8, 2014, at 1:03 PM, John R. Dennison wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 08:05:07AM -0700, Russell Miller wrote:
>>
>> And that's all I'm saying in response to you. Keep this up
>> and my killfile will have one more entry.
>
> Please stop replying to non-list subscribers in Cc: fields.
On Jul 8, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> ]
> Ah, we will be at Centos 11 by then :)
>
> Systemd will be a thing of the past and we will be dealing with systemq.
It'll be named "kitchensink", there will be only one process in the process
table, and
every bit of computation will be
On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 17:44 -0700, Russell Miller wrote:
> I really wish I was joking or being facetious. I'm not. This is pretty much
> the logical
> end result of the abomination that's systemd, and the appallingly stupid idea
> of putting
> dbus into the kernel. There's a reason for privi
On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 05:32:31PM -0700, Russell Miller wrote:
>
> On Jul 8, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Scott Robbins wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Jul 08, 2014 at 12:21:43PM -0400, Scott Robbins wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Wow. This was my bad in assuming everyone knows who Adam is--a very good
> >> natured and help
And IBM assembler
(Sent from iPhone, so please accept my apologies in advance for any spelling or
grammatical errors.)
> On Jul 8, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Always Learning wrote:
>
>
>> On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 17:10 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
>>
>> The read up on Grace Hopper and how she 'discove
On Jul 8, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Always Learning wrote:
>
> That is a fundamental worry. Everything, except the kernel, dependent on
> Poettering's (employed by Red Hat) windows-style gigantic systemd.
> Nothing can run without systemd's prior consent. One tiny bug in systemd
> and everything crashes
On Tue, 8 Jul 2014, Ljubomir Ljubojevic wrote:
> I service PC's for 14 years (professionally), and never had anything
> zapped. And I do not use anti-static wrists. So it is strange to hear
> that you had part zapped on first opening. That is all.
Given my track record, you can see why I'd like t
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