[cctalk] Re: Might be antique computer parts

2024-10-03 Thread Johan Helsingius via cctalk
On 03/10/2024 19:56, ben via cctalk wrote: Not like old computers, that could sing and drives could dance. :) I know the PDP-8 could do music thru a AM radio. Did they ever have it sing? No, they used DecTalks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l0Ko1GUiSo&pp=ygUecGV0ZXIgbGFuZ3N0b24gZWVkaWUgYW5k

[cctalk] Re: Dysan Alignment and Performance Testers

2024-10-03 Thread Chris Elmquist via cctalk
Just curious if you had a known "good" drive, a golden unit so to speak, that was well aligned with an authentic alignment diskette-- could you then use that drive to write plain old data diskettes that the downstream users would then align their drives to? Could they simply maximize the read si

[cctalk] Re: Dysan Alignment and Performance Testers

2024-10-03 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024, Jon Elson via cctalk wrote: Yes, and in a pinch I have done that.  What you want is to hack the format program so you can write just ONE track.  Bulk erase the floppy and then format just one track.  Put a scope on the analog read amp signal and see if it looks good.  Then,

[cctalk] Re: Dysan Alignment and Performance Testers

2024-10-03 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/3/24 15:28, Chris Elmquist via cctalk wrote: Just curious if you had a known "good" drive, a golden unit so to speak, that was well aligned with an authentic alignment diskette-- could you then use that drive to write plain old data diskettes that the downstream users would then align their

[cctalk] Re: Might be antique computer parts --1620

2024-10-03 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk
On 10/3/24 14:25, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote: On 10/3/24 10:51, Norman Jaffe via cctalk wrote: The IBM 360 single precision floating point has a range of 10**-79 to 10**75; double precision and extended precision has the same number of bits for the exponent. ...and most significanrly, norma

[cctalk] Re: Might be antique computer parts --1620

2024-10-03 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 10/3/24 10:51, Norman Jaffe via cctalk wrote: > The IBM 360 single precision floating point has a range of 10**-79 to 10**75; > double precision and extended precision has the same number of bits for the > exponent. ...and most significanrly, normalized to only the hex digit (4 bits), not to

[cctalk] Re: Might be antique computer parts --1620

2024-10-03 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 10/3/24 10:39, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: > >> On Oct 3, 2024, at 12:01 PM, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk >> wrote: >> >> I worked on a model 1 with 40k memory (my very first computer experience) >> and floating point, and later a model 2 stripped. I believe the model 2 >> still used table loo

[cctalk] Re: Dysan Alignment and Performance Testers

2024-10-03 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024, dwight via cctalk wrote: A small laser interferomenter and a screw driver could be used, once one determined the center of the track by magnetic material and a microscope. Some what special equipment but not all that special, now days. Years ago, I went to a Seagate building

[cctalk] Re: Dysan Alignment and Performance Testers

2024-10-03 Thread Jonathan Chapman via cctalk
> question: could somebody (did they at the time) write a program for the apple > ][ to create such a diskette? The apple drive can do half track stepping, and > IIRC the signal is written strictly by a timing loop in the program Not really. Merely half-stepping a drive wouldn't be accurate enou

[cctalk] Re: Dysan Alignment and Performance Testers

2024-10-03 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Thu, 3 Oct 2024 at 02:39, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > > Some of the old-timers might remember a guy who was on this list a long > time ago, who claimed that the "copy-protectin defeating" program that he > used could copy ANYTHING, even alignment disks! > 'course, he was also the one who cla

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[cctalk] Re: Might be antique computer parts

2024-10-03 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Oct 2, 2024, at 5:23 PM, Van Snyder via cctalk > wrote: > > On Wed, 2024-10-02 at 16:39 -0400, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote: >> For the earlier 1311, lack of overlap made perfect sense. After all, >> the 1620 has no interrupts, no parallelism of any kind: every I/O >> operation stalls t

[cctalk] Re: Might be antique computer parts

2024-10-03 Thread David Wise via cctalk
The IBM 1710 was a 1620 enhanced for process control. It had interrupts. Dave Wise From: Paul Koning via cctalk Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2024 7:05 AM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Cc: Paul Koning Subject: [cctalk] Re: Might be antique computer parts > On Oct 2

[cctalk] Re: Dysan Alignment and Performance Testers

2024-10-03 Thread dwight via cctalk
A small laser interferomenter and a screw driver could be used, once one determined the center of the track by magnetic material and a microscope. Some what special equipment but not all that special, now days. Years ago, I went to a Seagate building to help a friend with a servo writer problem.

[cctalk] Re: Might be antique computer parts --1620

2024-10-03 Thread CAREY SCHUG via cctalk
I worked on a model 1 with 40k memory (my very first computer experience) and floating point, and later a model 2 stripped. I believe the model 2 still used table lookup for multiply. floating point in model 1 (and I think model 2) was limited to a 98 digit mantissa, still more precision than

[cctalk] Re: Dysan Alignment and Performance Testers

2024-10-03 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 10/2/24 18:20, Mike Katz wrote: > It also has off track signals on it.  I don't think there is any way to > create them with anything but a specially modified drive connected to a > special controller. Just that--DAD's specifically. We did it with a selected Micropolis worm-screw positioner dr

[cctalk] Re: Might be antique computer parts --1620

2024-10-03 Thread Paul Koning via cctalk
> On Oct 3, 2024, at 12:01 PM, CAREY SCHUG via cctalk > wrote: > > I worked on a model 1 with 40k memory (my very first computer experience) and > floating point, and later a model 2 stripped. I believe the model 2 still > used table lookup for multiply. Sure enough, that's what the Model

[cctalk] Re: Might be antique computer parts --1620

2024-10-03 Thread Norman Jaffe via cctalk
The IBM 360 single precision floating point has a range of 10**-79 to 10**75; double precision and extended precision has the same number of bits for the exponent. From: "Paul Koning via cctalk" To: "cctalk" Cc: "David Wise" , "CAREY SCHUG" , "Paul Koning" Sent: Thursday, October 3, 2024

[cctalk] Re: Might be antique computer parts

2024-10-03 Thread ben via cctalk
On 2024-10-02 2:52 p.m., bluewater emailtoilet.com via cctalk wrote: Some PC HD maker offered a drive with a clear top so you could see the heads moving. I had a friend write a VB program to do random seeks. It was fun to watch. Still have the drive and the program. Don’t know if the program wi

[cctalk] Re: Might be antique computer parts

2024-10-03 Thread bluewater emailtoilet.com via cctalk
Some PC HD maker offered a drive with a clear top so you could see the heads moving. I had a friend write a VB program to do random seeks. It was fun to watch. Still have the drive and the program. Don’t know if the program will run in Win 11. 😊 > On Oct 2, 2024, at 13:39, Paul Koning via cctal